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Johan422 · Aug 14th, 2007, 09:53 PM

Well I finally pulled the trigger on getting the Gintani Gintani after-cooler with integrated intake manifold.

This thing really looks trick! After reading all the intercooling threads and water injection, I decided to go this direction. I like the idea of getting rid of the intake horns. It's a direct route from the supercharger to the cylinder head. Also after talking to Randy Webb about the system I just had to get one!

While the car is there it's also being fitted with a custom Gintani Head, header and 3" exhuast.

I didn't realize how much in-house work they do there. They have a bunch of after-cooler kits ready for install.

When everything is done they're also going to give me a custom dyno tune. Gintani has live software to emulate the ECU

I can't wait until everything is done and get to take her out on the track and burn it up!

Thanks MINIAC for fixing the pics for me!

Paul Webster · Aug 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Welcome Johan cant wait to see the final results

Johan422 · Aug 14th, 2007, 10:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Welcome Johan cant wait to see the final results

Thanks! It's should be all wrapped up in the next week or two. I'm pretty stoked!!

Shorty · Aug 15th, 2007, 09:13 AM

Can't wait to see the results!

:: Jon :: · Aug 15th, 2007, 09:15 AM

looking forward to this.....

chuntington101 · Aug 15th, 2007, 12:53 PM

be nice to see how it compears to the intercoolers out there.

Chris.

Johan422 · Sep 19th, 2007, 12:20 AM

Everyone likes looking at pics

Here are some pics of the 3" exhaust.

This 3" header is designed for TQ, not just max HP at high RPM

alski · Sep 19th, 2007, 06:31 AM

cool'
so are you on the road now?

Cooooooperslad · Sep 19th, 2007, 06:44 AM

Looks really intresting that! Looking forward to seeing finish products and some figures:P

Oh, and your wheels look awesome

Richard Crofts · Sep 19th, 2007, 11:07 AM

Does the exhaust use the 2 standard inner hangers (of the original systems 4 rear box hangers) to hang from or where they custom fitted? Won't 3" from header to tailpipe be a little too straight and free flow for a supercharger? My understanding is the charger required a bit more BP than a turbo ... or does retaining the cat give that?!

Johan422 · Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by alski (original)

cool'
so are you on the road now?

Not yet, almost. Gintani is installing a new dyno...Then comes the final ECU tuning.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooooooperslad (original)

Looks really intresting that! Looking forward to seeing finish products and some figures:P

Oh, and your wheels look awesome

Thanks!

Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original)

Does the exhaust use the 2 standard inner hangers (of the original systems 4 rear box hangers) to hang from or where they custom fitted? Won't 3" from header to tailpipe be a little too straight and free flow for a supercharger? My understanding is the charger required a bit more BP than a turbo ... or does retaining the cat give that?!

The old exhaust (OBX header and Invidia) had too much back pressure for a proper tune. (the back pressure was tested) So this will clean it up a little, plus have room for a different charger in the future

chuntington101 · Sep 20th, 2007, 07:34 AM

that exhaust looks really good! is the exhaust custom?? any chance of putting into limted production??

Chris.

MINIMANIAUK · Sep 20th, 2007, 09:41 AM

Back pressure is not as important as most think ,the flow and pressure reflected pulse are the key ,the exhaust /manifold look to be a very good design ,the tips should give it a bit of a sporty sound.
It may be worth trying a cone insert in the end when on the dyno and see if it alters the power.
with so many changes to the air path ,intake,intercooler,manifold and exhaust it may prove necessary to play around with lengths and diameters a bit and get optimum air scavenging.
looking good though.
What cores did they use in the intake/cooler ? laminova?

Revolution Mini Works · Sep 20th, 2007, 02:06 PM

they don't use laminova cores

Johan422 · Sep 20th, 2007, 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original)

Back pressure is not as important as most think ,the flow and pressure reflected pulse are the key ,the exhaust /manifold look to be a very good design ,the tips should give it a bit of a sporty sound.
It may be worth trying a cone insert in the end when on the dyno and see if it alters the power.
with so many changes to the air path ,intake,intercooler,manifold and exhaust it may prove necessary to play around with lengths and diameters a bit and get optimum air scavenging.
looking good though.
What cores did they use in the intake/cooler ? laminova?

Thanks! I'm not sure what kind of core it is....but aparently it's not the laminova LOL

Quote: Originally Posted by Kumho Kid (original)

they don't use laminova cores

MINIMANIAUK · Sep 20th, 2007, 09:52 PM

Laminova patened a method for laser cutting very fine circular discs out of solid aluminium giving a large surface area in a compact tube this allows heat transfer from air passed over them to fluid inside them ,so far the best heat exchange method available .
they are available in lengths and a certain length can cope with a given horsepower (cfm of airflow) they are however expensive -probably as only one company can make them!!!

Johan422 · Sep 21st, 2007, 12:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by chuntington101 (original)

that exhaust looks really good! is the exhaust custom?? any chance of putting into limted production??

Chris.

Sorry Chris, I missed your post earlier.

Thanks for the comment. I know you can get the header, The exhaust is custom, but I'm sure they will build one and ship it if you were interested. Visit the website Gintani or call 818-804-4580

OR if you want to shoot me a PM I can find out for you

Johan422 · Sep 21st, 2007, 12:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original)

Laminova patened a method for laser cutting very fine circular discs out of solid aluminium giving a large surface area in a compact tube this allows heat transfer from air passed over them to fluid inside them ,so far the best heat exchange method available .
they are available in lengths and a certain length can cope with a given horsepower (cfm of airflow) they are however expensive -probably as only one company can make them!!!

Good info, thanks! I don't see why I couldn't get the laminova rods in the future. Once I get the mini back it's probably going into the garage for the winter. I already pulled out my snowmobiles and started preping them for the upcoming race season.

Next summer I want to investigate the twin screw super charger route. I have the internals to hold whatever I throw at it, I was orinally going to do the nitrous route but now I'm not too sure I want to go that way anymore. (I already build a custom NX kit and installed everything nitrous injectors) I don't want to go the turbo route.

chuntington101 · Sep 21st, 2007, 07:33 AM

just on the off chance johan422, what size are the preimeries on that header?? they look pretty big!!

thanks Chris.

Revolution Mini Works · Sep 21st, 2007, 12:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Johan422 (original)

Good info, thanks! I don't see why I couldn't get the laminova rods in the future.

.

the manifold is built for a flat intercooler style not a round laminova rod style
it will have to be totally redesigned

Aug 14th, 2007, 09:53 PM	#1
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Gintani Tuned Mini! Well I finally pulled the trigger on getting the Gintani Gintani after-cooler with integrated intake manifold. This thing really looks trick! After reading all the intercooling threads and water injection, I decided to go this direction. I like the idea of getting rid of the intake horns. It's a direct route from the supercharger to the cylinder head. Also after talking to Randy Webb about the system I just had to get one! While the car is there it's also being fitted with a custom Gintani Head, header and 3" exhuast. I didn't realize how much in-house work they do there. They have a bunch of after-cooler kits ready for install. When everything is done they're also going to give me a custom dyno tune. Gintani has live software to emulate the ECU I can't wait until everything is done and get to take her out on the track and burn it up! Thanks MINIAC for fixing the pics for me! Last edited by Johan422 : Aug 15th, 2007 at 12:22 AM. Reason: Make images clickable thumbnails

Aug 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	Welcome Johan cant wait to see the final results Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Aug 15th, 2007, 09:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
:: Jon :: . My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 11:07 PM Posts: 14,900 Offline	looking forward to this..... EMPTY SPACE NEEDS FILLING.... but it has to be something that wont get me banned

Sep 19th, 2007, 12:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	More Pics!! Everyone likes looking at pics Here are some pics of the 3" exhaust. This 3" header is designed for TQ, not just max HP at high RPM Last edited by MINIAC : Sep 19th, 2007 at 01:19 AM. Reason: Make images clickable thumbnails

Sep 19th, 2007, 06:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 988 Offline	cool' so are you on the road now? carefree

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Aug 14th, 2007, 10:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original) Welcome Johan cant wait to see the final results Thanks! It's should be all wrapped up in the next week or two. I'm pretty stoked!!

Aug 15th, 2007, 09:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stourbridge Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 1,246 Offline	Can't wait to see the results!

Aug 15th, 2007, 12:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
chuntington101 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 11:07 PM Posts: 119 Offline	be nice to see how it compears to the intercoolers out there. Chris.

Sep 19th, 2007, 06:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cooooooperslad MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2007 Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 579 Offline	Looks really intresting that! Looking forward to seeing finish products and some figures:P Oh, and your wheels look awesome Follower of 1320autos + GTTuning

Sep 19th, 2007, 11:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	Does the exhaust use the 2 standard inner hangers (of the original systems 4 rear box hangers) to hang from or where they custom fitted? Won't 3" from header to tailpipe be a little too straight and free flow for a supercharger? My understanding is the charger required a bit more BP than a turbo ... or does retaining the cat give that?!

Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by alski (original) cool' so are you on the road now? Not yet, almost. Gintani is installing a new dyno...Then comes the final ECU tuning. Quote: Originally Posted by Cooooooperslad (original) Looks really intresting that! Looking forward to seeing finish products and some figures:P Oh, and your wheels look awesome Thanks! Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original) Does the exhaust use the 2 standard inner hangers (of the original systems 4 rear box hangers) to hang from or where they custom fitted? Won't 3" from header to tailpipe be a little too straight and free flow for a supercharger? My understanding is the charger required a bit more BP than a turbo ... or does retaining the cat give that?! The old exhaust (OBX header and Invidia) had too much back pressure for a proper tune. (the back pressure was tested) So this will clean it up a little, plus have room for a different charger in the future

Sep 20th, 2007, 07:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
chuntington101 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 11:07 PM Posts: 119 Offline	that exhaust looks really good! is the exhaust custom?? any chance of putting into limted production?? Chris.

Sep 20th, 2007, 09:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
MINIMANIAUK MINI2 Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 1,080 Offline	Back pressure is not as important as most think ,the flow and pressure reflected pulse are the key ,the exhaust /manifold look to be a very good design ,the tips should give it a bit of a sporty sound. It may be worth trying a cone insert in the end when on the dyno and see if it alters the power. with so many changes to the air path ,intake,intercooler,manifold and exhaust it may prove necessary to play around with lengths and diameters a bit and get optimum air scavenging. looking good though. What cores did they use in the intake/cooler ? laminova? www.minimaniauk.com

Sep 20th, 2007, 02:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 02:07 PM Posts: 917 Offline	they don't use laminova cores

Sep 20th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original) Back pressure is not as important as most think ,the flow and pressure reflected pulse are the key ,the exhaust /manifold look to be a very good design ,the tips should give it a bit of a sporty sound. It may be worth trying a cone insert in the end when on the dyno and see if it alters the power. with so many changes to the air path ,intake,intercooler,manifold and exhaust it may prove necessary to play around with lengths and diameters a bit and get optimum air scavenging. looking good though. What cores did they use in the intake/cooler ? laminova? Thanks! I'm not sure what kind of core it is....but aparently it's not the laminova LOL Quote: Originally Posted by Kumho Kid (original) they don't use laminova cores

Sep 20th, 2007, 09:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
MINIMANIAUK MINI2 Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:07 PM Posts: 1,080 Offline	Laminova patened a method for laser cutting very fine circular discs out of solid aluminium giving a large surface area in a compact tube this allows heat transfer from air passed over them to fluid inside them ,so far the best heat exchange method available . they are available in lengths and a certain length can cope with a given horsepower (cfm of airflow) they are however expensive -probably as only one company can make them!!! www.minimaniauk.com

Sep 21st, 2007, 12:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by chuntington101 (original) that exhaust looks really good! is the exhaust custom?? any chance of putting into limted production?? Chris. Sorry Chris, I missed your post earlier. Thanks for the comment. I know you can get the header, The exhaust is custom, but I'm sure they will build one and ship it if you were interested. Visit the website Gintani or call 818-804-4580 OR if you want to shoot me a PM I can find out for you

Sep 21st, 2007, 12:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
Johan422 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ChiX BeacH Local Time: 12:07 AM Posts: 17 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original) Laminova patened a method for laser cutting very fine circular discs out of solid aluminium giving a large surface area in a compact tube this allows heat transfer from air passed over them to fluid inside them ,so far the best heat exchange method available . they are available in lengths and a certain length can cope with a given horsepower (cfm of airflow) they are however expensive -probably as only one company can make them!!! Good info, thanks! I don't see why I couldn't get the laminova rods in the future. Once I get the mini back it's probably going into the garage for the winter. I already pulled out my snowmobiles and started preping them for the upcoming race season. Next summer I want to investigate the twin screw super charger route. I have the internals to hold whatever I throw at it, I was orinally going to do the nitrous route but now I'm not too sure I want to go that way anymore. (I already build a custom NX kit and installed everything nitrous injectors) I don't want to go the turbo route.

Sep 21st, 2007, 07:33 AM	#19 (permalink)
chuntington101 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 11:07 PM Posts: 119 Offline	just on the off chance johan422, what size are the preimeries on that header?? they look pretty big!! thanks Chris.

Sep 21st, 2007, 12:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 02:07 PM Posts: 917 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Johan422 (original) Good info, thanks! I don't see why I couldn't get the laminova rods in the future. . the manifold is built for a flat intercooler style not a round laminova rod style it will have to be totally redesigned

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