[brightblue]

Ant Did't now GSR RR was done at Red dot, i got the info from mate at Fiat forum

peter and steve at GSR and mapping at Red Dot have a day setup for 24th Nov if of any intrest?

[roland2003]

The safest way is to stick with GTT conversions as they are and as set up tested by us. As soon as you start changing things around afterwards , putting other brand intercoolers & manifolds on etc problems can occur. (eg pinking). However as stated earlier a car can pink on the RR but not on the road.If you retard it its better on the RR but poorer on the road. If cars need or will benefit from remap thats what we do.
Our car (supercharged) ran 273 bhp on stock map, simply because it was the best. I have 12 maps to choose from..
Oh our GTT300T with differnt map sensors (3 bar) different injectors, turbo and everthing else under sun changed runs........stock map!!

[brightblue]

Yes Roland total package solutions are best, but as I’m sure you and most other are aware engines vary and it’s not like we work on cars direct from the factory, So these engine have a history which has an affect and in these cases re map is the way forward if boost pressure goes much over standard,

The only time this was not an issues was with our work with Webber for Aston Martin were we de tuned engines so they all made 600bhp pre delivery to end user,

but re RR results are wot they are it's how cars drive so if holds back or pinks dyno can give insight of even cure as with ANT fr

[Paul Webster]

I do think its funny that they can boast how they can make 155bhp car into a 295bhp car


I've alaways thought it would be intresting to put a stand alone ecu on a Mini and see what the max you could get out of each combo, but air fuel ratio is air fuel ratio and timing is timing

Its a pity you didn't run at the Pod before and after.

[Paul Webster]

Brightblue are you using Dimsport down there?

[brightblue]

yes and i'm sure red dot are with ther own calculators

be intresting to see results of a total induction change inc t/b I/C and inlet running webber alpha with a lot of time in a climate dyno the results poss from 1600cc

or even with diff supercharger as done by steve at GSR on peugeots some yrs ago but in them days budget was no issue

i have spoken to him and peter re this many times but his main intrest of late is with alfa V engines

[roland2003]

The T map sensor is the one thing that will give biggest variation from car to car. If you re-map on a T map sensor thats 5% out ,then you put a new T map sensor in (they dont last forever) everything that would have been correct with the new sensor,.... is now 5% out.
You have to ensure everthing is functioning 100% before even considering a remap. With a GTT conversion with everyhthing functioning 100% , the most a remap alone would give is circa 5bhp. And thats from raising the rev limit, its ok, but something I wouldnt gernerally recommend. If things are not as they should be ,the solution is to locate the fault & cure it. A remap specialist sells remaps, if its something else the car needs ,you may still get sold the remap.!
We stock mth remaps,Apexi piggyback ecus, Adjustable FPR's, larger injectors, Map Sensors, but always recommend what the car needs within allocated budget.

[Paul Webster]

But i ran 5 times and consistently got

16.1458 @ 88.41
15.9459 @ 90.37
15.9581 @ 90.53
15.8292 @ 90.14
15.8892 @ 90.19

The above was Ants times in Jan 07,so assuming his car weighs 2800lb with him in it he was driving the hell out of that car and achieved a 170.53bhp figure using the 90.53mph via the ET-MPH-HP Calculator

So now he's got 230bhp he should run in the 14s @ 99.99mph on Sunday, a very nice gain.

[Ant FR]

1320, yeah thats what i bloody hope, that was the last time i ran it back in January 2nd pod of the year, i worked it out on your MPH HP calculator thinkg and with my weight etc it came out about 14.3. Toput that into context my old Ibiza did 14.42 at 96mph, and that was 230 Bhp but the Mini is a tad lighter than the cupra was.,

Although i hope to get that on sunday, i won't say anything as if i tell my mates it should get one thing, then guess what, it'll be far from that figure, when i go up. will let you know.


BRIGTHBLUE, who are you, are youa anything to do with Peter and GSR. Scary, that FIAT boys said anything, funny thing is when i owned my Puntos back in 2002 nobody had em, so shocked to see so many punto s on sunday. i had mk1 GT turbo, a Mk2 sporting ( 3 months...lol) then i traded that for a yeloow Mk2 HGT which i loved.

Also how can me putting on a GRS intercooler mess up a GTT220 package, but if i put on a GTT intercooler it will boost me upt o GTT230? thats strange that one

[Lucky Dave]

I can confirm the variation in Tmap sensors, I log both the sensors output and a seperate Hi spec danfoss sensor, I have tried 4 Tmap sensors and non have been even near the same as the first!!

I also know that with electronics you can do anything and make your engine do much more I have tuned and tuned my car using on road testing, and im sure on a dyno I would suffer, as the car is not set up the same.

I noticed on my car the fueling was correct in say 4th gear all the way through the revs, but incorrect in say 2nd at 4000 rpm, this would never be found on a dyno test, but unless you want to load your mini up with data logging equipment then you have no choice.

One day I will try the bhp/drag strip calcs but I will need to weigh the car as its very heavy! In theory if I have tuned my car correctly on the road it will do better on the strip than a dyno set up car!??

[roland2003]

GTT230 (over the GTT220) includes a GTT Re Route pipe and a larger intercooler than the GRS one you are using (15% bigger).

[BigShow]

So it seems to me there is no perfect answer as to whether a package or a bespoke set up will work best. If I want my car set-up for:

• 6 Santa Pod Visits a Year
• 6 Track Days at Bedford a Year
• 7 Day hoon through Europe in the height of Summer
• 7 Day hoon through Norway and Sweden in the Autumn
• Weekly Corsa/Saxo baiting down the long straights of Milton Keynes

Which tuning company/package will give me the optimum performance in all these conditions without the need to be seen again once the package is installed?

[Revolution Mini Works]

I can tell you WITHOUT question that stock timing maps are different from car to car. There are numerous maps depending on when the car was built. Some are much more aggressive than others. I have seen over 6degrees of final timing on some earlier cars vs my GP for instance.

So depending on which map you have and the mods on the car I could easily see 12-20whp differences in tunes on these cars. Some of the stuff in these threads makes me laugh

[roland2003]

....and many cars have already been fitted with a later version map when they have been into the dealer. Whatever the map BMW quote 163 bhp for early cars and 170 for late cars. Later cars are more snappy as they run more advance.
Each car should be evaluated individually which is what we do; not just fit (and charge for) a 'one size fits all' re- map regardless.

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

....and many cars have already been fitted with a later version map when they have been into the dealer. Whatever the map BMW quote 163 bhp for early cars and 170 for late cars. Later cars are more snappy as they run more advance.
Each car should be evaluated individually which is what we do; not just fit (and charge for) a 'one size fits all' re- map regardless.

actually that is NOT true.... my GP has more advance down low... that is what gets you the snappy.... up top it's 6deg less than older cars. Car is quick stock but on the dyno it made 180whp

so yes, "under the curve" its quicker/better
up top it's not

after studying maps for quite some time on the stockers, it's easily 10+whp on a car with my head on it with 2 different FACTORY timing maps with no other adjustments

[roland2003]

Im talking MCS not GP or JCW.
As you promote your products on Mini2, how come you dont pay to be a sponsor?

[Paul Webster]

Jan,

Can you share your extreme cases from 2000 -7000.(timing)

We must remember that Jan has to deal with that loverly Cali pump gas.

[Paul Webster]

Ant,

Did you record timing and af's and the IAT across the rpm range??

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Im talking MCS not GP or JCW.

Here is a STOCK 03 Mini S (notice the higher timing at redline and upper rpm ranges)

here is a STOCK 06 Mini S (notice the higher timing down low)

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Jan,

Can you share your extreme cases from 2000 -7000.(timing)

We must remember that Jan has to deal with that loverly Cali pump gas.

I posted stock maps.... sometimes I get frustrated with the info put out.
I spent the money to buy a system that lets you remap the original factory ecu. I can see everything the factory did/didn't do. I won't show you modified maps