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Babes · Oct 10th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Ok a few folks have been asking about my custom unichip install and the following are the results.

Firstly let me say take the dyno numbers with a pinch of salt, just look at the percentages. As there is no standard for dyno's results vary widely and alot of arguments ensue.

The place I had the unichip installed says he has probably the lowest dyno in all of Western Australia. He says he could move a sensor here or put in a correction factor there but it's percentage gain he is looking at. Recently Perth Street Car mag sent the same car to 6 dynos on the same day, the results varied from where i had mine done as the lowest to a staggering 100whp more at another dyno. On to the results!

First time dynoed was about 3 years ago at the same place as a stock standard 200bhp JCW. The result was 124whp

Let the modding begin:
17% Alta V2
GTT intercooler
GTT snoot boots
GTT Oil catch can
GTT expansion tank
GTT power steering resevoir
GTT oil cap
GTT dipstick
GTT air filter
GTT twin bearing idle pulley
JCW airbox with butterfly flap removed
Alta air inatke tube
X force headers
JCW exhaust with resonator removed
Alta radiator hose kit
Screamin deamon coil
Nology hotwires
MTH map - was made when i had JCW pulley and 3% crank pulley. Was told no need for updated map to run stock CP and 17% SC as no difference.

Dyno result before unichip 134whp

Dyno result after custom unichip map 160whp, which equates to 20%whp gain. Like i said, forget what the whp figures are as i can go to another which will read 100whp more than this one, look at the percentage.

I can say there is a huge noticable difference and well worth the A$1450. The MTH map was ok for the price back when i got it for $490 and supposed free upgrades for a year, now with their current price i would highly recommend going a customised map for slightly more.

Lucky Dave · Oct 10th, 2007, 09:23 AM

Im surprised you needed a map at all, the JCW 210 map is quite suited to more mods.

How did you get the alto air intake tube on the JCW airbox as its a different size?

Either way I bet it drives much better now! Do you have any flat spots or hesitations at around 3000 rpm under half load / trailing throttle ?

roland2003 · Oct 10th, 2007, 09:24 AM

Hi Babes, I reckon you had an airleak or other simple fault (such as a clamp fitted out of position on the intercooler bellows ). If the Unichip dealer spots this and refits the clamp correctly (takes 2 minutes) this alone would gain 20 horsepower. The pre unichip power is so low that this or similar must be the case. I wouldnt have thought the mth map would be any worse than stock .-Still its running well now

Babes · Oct 10th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Lucky Dave yes I did have a stumble at 3000rpm which was at WOT and only happened 50% of the time, went in to refit the flap at the back of airbox as the dealer thought this might be the cause.

When i got there we could not get it to do it for the life of us, he had just reset the ecu as I had asked him to check all the fault codes and give it a once over as i was doing a 1500km drive that weekend so maybe that sorted it. Dont really know though, just happy it has stopped.

Air intake tube was a bit of a drama, dealer said it wouldnt fit but went to a MINI2 members house who had fitted one himself and it popped on no worries at all. He is also going to do the bypass valve mod for me too.

Roland not sure what the go was, car certainly seemed to drive very well before the unichip, was just wanting to get the very best tune i could. Just rang him and he says he did nothing but the chip which required a bit of wiring, didnt move any clamps around the intercooler so who knows.

As the title of the thread says this is my results, maybe not everyone will have the same results unless they wear red undies and hold their mouth just right on the day!

MINI-Morgan · Oct 10th, 2007, 10:08 AM

Was the rev limit changed also? At what revs does the engine reach peak HP before and after? Like Roland I still believe there was a fault of some kind beforehand which possibly was over fuelling if nothing was touched in the engine bay before and after. Also during a remap the fuel compensation memory is pretty much always wiped like in an ECU reset which might have helped. Glad its running as it should now though and you can enjoy it to its full as it should be

Paul Webster · Oct 10th, 2007, 10:12 AM

I thought you guys measured in KW?

Enjoy your new found power

Babes · Oct 10th, 2007, 10:14 AM

No change to the rev limit, yeah whatever the pre chip story was it is much better now and would not have found the difference had I not gone the custom map.

Lucky Dave · Oct 13th, 2007, 02:17 PM

Are you sure the bypass valve was not checked when the unchip was done? 20bhp is a lot!

Babes · Oct 15th, 2007, 12:43 AM

yes but not impossible gains if you read http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...ml#post3186197

minigolf · Oct 15th, 2007, 01:46 AM

Good on you Babes, great that you got a good result.

The Unichip was shizen on my old Mk4 GTI, but I suspect that was more to do with the Tuner than the product itself. 2bobmcs has been running a Unichip piggyback for a couple of years now.

Cheers Liam

Babes · Dec 4th, 2007, 07:08 AM

UPDATE

Unichip removed from the car today. It was brilliant when first installed but gradually over the weeks various fault codes were thrown and it got to the stage as soon as the car came on boost it would just backfire and die.

Spent 2 hours on the dyno and the tuner could not work out what the problem is. They have sent the unichip back for fault testing but i have the feeling it will come back as working perfectly apparently.

Car runs sooo much better with it off though still misses slightly at WOT. Im having the 210JCW map reflashed tomorrow so hoping that sorts everything out.

Revolution Mini Works · Dec 4th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original)

UPDATE

Unichip removed from the car today. It was brilliant when first installed but gradually over the weeks various fault codes were thrown and it got to the stage as soon as the car came on boost it would just backfire and die.

Spent 2 hours on the dyno and the tuner could not work out what the problem is. They have sent the unichip back for fault testing but i have the feeling it will come back as working perfectly apparently.

Car runs sooo much better with it off though still misses slightly at WOT. Im having the 210JCW map reflashed tomorrow so hoping that sorts everything out.

sorry to hear about that

we have seen this over and over with the Unichip and that is why we remap the ecu with our software program as it uses the ecu to make the changes. We have seen the Unichip go back to stock in a very short time as the ecu learns its way around the changes

Babes · Jul 13th, 2008, 07:29 AM

Update:

The unichip is back on and has been running great for the last 2 months. Previous problems were as a result of nology hotwires. I still run the MTH map too which gives me the higher redline and less intrusive traction control.

D-MAN · Jul 13th, 2008, 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original)

Update:

The unichip is back on and has been running great for the last 2 months. Previous problems were as a result of nology hotwires. I still run the MTH map too which gives me the higher redline and less intrusive traction control.

Glad to hear it is now working well

On a side note I have found most stock JCW cars on Aussie dynos will be around the 120kW mark... the dynos down under tend to read lower (at least 10-15%) than overseas dynos - don't know why!
160kW on an Aussie dyno is some serious power!

robbo mcs · Jul 14th, 2008, 10:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by D-MAN (original)

Glad to hear it is now working well

On a side note I have found most stock JCW cars on Aussie dynos will be around the 120kW mark... the dynos down under tend to read lower (at least 10-15%) than overseas dynos - don't know why!
160kW on an Aussie dyno is some serious power!

Hi,

If you go back to the first post it is actually 160 wheel horse power, which is around 120kw at the wheels

Cheers

Robbo

D-MAN · Jul 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs (original)

Hi,

If you go back to the first post it is actually 160 wheel horse power, which is around 120kw at the wheels

Cheers

Robbo

I think I need to start wearing my glasses a bit more...

Thumper460 · Jul 19th, 2008, 11:50 PM

How is the car running now??? I suggest you pm D-Man and see what his results are after a ported Head!! I gotta make it to Austrailia soon... that place seems to rock!!

Just me..............................

Thumper

Babes · Jul 20th, 2008, 08:35 AM

The car runs superb. As I said in my original post I dont go in much for what dyno/RR claim as whp or bhp. In Australia there is no standard for them, all have different set ups so I look at percentages gained and the gain was brilliant.

A few doubters among the folk on here, quite frankly i dont care what they think. I have done the RR for my own piece of mind and the gains were there. I have nothing to prove.

D-MAN · Jul 20th, 2008, 09:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original)

The car runs superb. As I said in my original post I dont go in much for what dyno/RR claim as whp or bhp. In Australia there is no standard for them, all have different set ups so I look at percentages gained and the gain was brilliant.

A few doubters among the folk on here, quite frankly i dont care what they think. I have done the RR for my own piece of mind and the gains were there. I have nothing to prove.

I agree, I think a lot of people get caught up in the whole hp mine is bigger than yours thing... the main thing is how the car drives!

The gains you got are impressive.

Glad to hear it all has worked out

Oct 10th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#1
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	Custom Unichip - My results Ok a few folks have been asking about my custom unichip install and the following are the results. Firstly let me say take the dyno numbers with a pinch of salt, just look at the percentages. As there is no standard for dyno's results vary widely and alot of arguments ensue. The place I had the unichip installed says he has probably the lowest dyno in all of Western Australia. He says he could move a sensor here or put in a correction factor there but it's percentage gain he is looking at. Recently Perth Street Car mag sent the same car to 6 dynos on the same day, the results varied from where i had mine done as the lowest to a staggering 100whp more at another dyno. On to the results! First time dynoed was about 3 years ago at the same place as a stock standard 200bhp JCW. The result was 124whp Let the modding begin: 17% Alta V2 GTT intercooler GTT snoot boots GTT Oil catch can GTT expansion tank GTT power steering resevoir GTT oil cap GTT dipstick GTT air filter GTT twin bearing idle pulley JCW airbox with butterfly flap removed Alta air inatke tube X force headers JCW exhaust with resonator removed Alta radiator hose kit Screamin deamon coil Nology hotwires MTH map - was made when i had JCW pulley and 3% crank pulley. Was told no need for updated map to run stock CP and 17% SC as no difference. Dyno result before unichip 134whp Dyno result after custom unichip map 160whp, which equates to 20%whp gain. Like i said, forget what the whp figures are as i can go to another which will read 100whp more than this one, look at the percentage. I can say there is a huge noticable difference and well worth the A$1450. The MTH map was ok for the price back when i got it for $490 and supposed free upgrades for a year, now with their current price i would highly recommend going a customised map for slightly more. 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S Last edited by Babes : Dec 4th, 2007 at 07:45 AM.

Oct 10th, 2007, 09:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 811 Offline	Im surprised you needed a map at all, the JCW 210 map is quite suited to more mods. How did you get the alto air intake tube on the JCW airbox as its a different size? Either way I bet it drives much better now! Do you have any flat spots or hesitations at around 3000 rpm under half load / trailing throttle ? For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

Oct 10th, 2007, 09:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	Hi Babes, I reckon you had an airleak or other simple fault (such as a clamp fitted out of position on the intercooler bellows ). If the Unichip dealer spots this and refits the clamp correctly (takes 2 minutes) this alone would gain 20 horsepower. The pre unichip power is so low that this or similar must be the case. I wouldnt have thought the mth map would be any worse than stock .-Still its running well now www.gttuning.com

Oct 10th, 2007, 10:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	Lucky Dave yes I did have a stumble at 3000rpm which was at WOT and only happened 50% of the time, went in to refit the flap at the back of airbox as the dealer thought this might be the cause. When i got there we could not get it to do it for the life of us, he had just reset the ecu as I had asked him to check all the fault codes and give it a once over as i was doing a 1500km drive that weekend so maybe that sorted it. Dont really know though, just happy it has stopped. Air intake tube was a bit of a drama, dealer said it wouldnt fit but went to a MINI2 members house who had fitted one himself and it popped on no worries at all. He is also going to do the bypass valve mod for me too. Roland not sure what the go was, car certainly seemed to drive very well before the unichip, was just wanting to get the very best tune i could. Just rang him and he says he did nothing but the chip which required a bit of wiring, didnt move any clamps around the intercooler so who knows. As the title of the thread says this is my results, maybe not everyone will have the same results unless they wear red undies and hold their mouth just right on the day! 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Oct 10th, 2007, 10:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 4,679 Offline	Was the rev limit changed also? At what revs does the engine reach peak HP before and after? Like Roland I still believe there was a fault of some kind beforehand which possibly was over fuelling if nothing was touched in the engine bay before and after. Also during a remap the fuel compensation memory is pretty much always wiped like in an ECU reset which might have helped. Glad its running as it should now though and you can enjoy it to its full as it should be One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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Oct 10th, 2007, 10:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	I thought you guys measured in KW? Enjoy your new found power Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Oct 10th, 2007, 10:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	No change to the rev limit, yeah whatever the pre chip story was it is much better now and would not have found the difference had I not gone the custom map. 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Oct 13th, 2007, 02:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 811 Offline	Are you sure the bypass valve was not checked when the unchip was done? 20bhp is a lot! For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

Oct 15th, 2007, 12:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	yes but not impossible gains if you read http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...ml#post3186197 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Oct 15th, 2007, 01:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:59 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Good on you Babes, great that you got a good result. The Unichip was shizen on my old Mk4 GTI, but I suspect that was more to do with the Tuner than the product itself. 2bobmcs has been running a Unichip piggyback for a couple of years now. Cheers Liam Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Dec 4th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	UPDATE Unichip removed from the car today. It was brilliant when first installed but gradually over the weeks various fault codes were thrown and it got to the stage as soon as the car came on boost it would just backfire and die. Spent 2 hours on the dyno and the tuner could not work out what the problem is. They have sent the unichip back for fault testing but i have the feeling it will come back as working perfectly apparently. Car runs sooo much better with it off though still misses slightly at WOT. Im having the 210JCW map reflashed tomorrow so hoping that sorts everything out. 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Dec 4th, 2007, 01:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 12:59 PM Posts: 917 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original) UPDATE Unichip removed from the car today. It was brilliant when first installed but gradually over the weeks various fault codes were thrown and it got to the stage as soon as the car came on boost it would just backfire and die. Spent 2 hours on the dyno and the tuner could not work out what the problem is. They have sent the unichip back for fault testing but i have the feeling it will come back as working perfectly apparently. Car runs sooo much better with it off though still misses slightly at WOT. Im having the 210JCW map reflashed tomorrow so hoping that sorts everything out. sorry to hear about that we have seen this over and over with the Unichip and that is why we remap the ecu with our software program as it uses the ecu to make the changes. We have seen the Unichip go back to stock in a very short time as the ecu learns its way around the changes Manufacturer and Custom Mini Tuning

Jul 13th, 2008, 07:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	Update: The unichip is back on and has been running great for the last 2 months. Previous problems were as a result of nology hotwires. I still run the MTH map too which gives me the higher redline and less intrusive traction control. 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Jul 13th, 2008, 01:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
D-MAN MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 07:59 AM Posts: 99 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original) Update: The unichip is back on and has been running great for the last 2 months. Previous problems were as a result of nology hotwires. I still run the MTH map too which gives me the higher redline and less intrusive traction control. Glad to hear it is now working well On a side note I have found most stock JCW cars on Aussie dynos will be around the 120kW mark... the dynos down under tend to read lower (at least 10-15%) than overseas dynos - don't know why! 160kW on an Aussie dyno is some serious power!

Jul 14th, 2008, 10:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:59 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by D-MAN (original) Glad to hear it is now working well On a side note I have found most stock JCW cars on Aussie dynos will be around the 120kW mark... the dynos down under tend to read lower (at least 10-15%) than overseas dynos - don't know why! 160kW on an Aussie dyno is some serious power! Hi, If you go back to the first post it is actually 160 wheel horse power, which is around 120kw at the wheels Cheers Robbo Mods: GO MADDIE and SPARKY!

Jul 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
D-MAN MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 07:59 AM Posts: 99 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs (original) Hi, If you go back to the first post it is actually 160 wheel horse power, which is around 120kw at the wheels Cheers Robbo I think I need to start wearing my glasses a bit more...

Jul 19th, 2008, 11:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
Thumper460 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orange Park Fl. 3206 Local Time: 08:59 PM Posts: 11 Offline	OK.. 6 months later.... How is the car running now??? I suggest you pm D-Man and see what his results are after a ported Head!! I gotta make it to Austrailia soon... that place seems to rock!! Just me.............................. Thumper

Jul 20th, 2008, 08:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Babes Cruising In The Minge My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth Local Time: 05:59 AM Posts: 740 Offline	The car runs superb. As I said in my original post I dont go in much for what dyno/RR claim as whp or bhp. In Australia there is no standard for them, all have different set ups so I look at percentages gained and the gain was brilliant. A few doubters among the folk on here, quite frankly i dont care what they think. I have done the RR for my own piece of mind and the gains were there. I have nothing to prove. 2003 BRG/W JCW MCS 2002 PS/PS JCW MC 1970 BRG/W MK2 Morris Cooper S

Jul 20th, 2008, 09:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
D-MAN MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 07:59 AM Posts: 99 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Babes (original) The car runs superb. As I said in my original post I dont go in much for what dyno/RR claim as whp or bhp. In Australia there is no standard for them, all have different set ups so I look at percentages gained and the gain was brilliant. A few doubters among the folk on here, quite frankly i dont care what they think. I have done the RR for my own piece of mind and the gains were there. I have nothing to prove. I agree, I think a lot of people get caught up in the whole hp mine is bigger than yours thing... the main thing is how the car drives! The gains you got are impressive. Glad to hear it all has worked out

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