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dwbrown · Oct 23rd, 2007, 12:13 PM

Sweet, I was lucky enough to turn up mid photo shoot, and can confirm it looks spectacular - Its a work of art, and gave me a semi when I had a poke around under the bonnet ;-)

PS - Brakes are bedded in a treat Roland - Ta !

roland2003 · Oct 24th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Thanks again guys. We have just fitted up the car with GTT/Porsche Turbo brakes with 17" Ultraleggereras. (ET37) No spacers on rear, 5mm on front.
Note the clocking in of the disc. The disc assembly is machined to .001" TIR . If the hub is perfect, even bolted on (use 4 bolts NOT just the single countersink grubscrew) total indicator reading is still within .001" at the edge of the disc.
see pics:-

Revolution Mini Works · Oct 24th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Looks Great.... do these cars have factory air conditioning?

roland2003 · Oct 24th, 2007, 02:10 PM

Mine never had it,Lees had already been removed . -Just adds weight & uses fuel .

Revolution Mini Works · Oct 24th, 2007, 02:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Mine never had it,Lees had already been removed . -Just adds weight & uses fuel .

thanks for answering... will it work though if you want to keep the a/c?

roland2003 · Oct 24th, 2007, 02:23 PM

We didnt want 3 cores stacked one behind the other (intercooler, condensor,rad) , and wanted the intercooler in the bumper aperture for max cooling & performance. A shorter condensor could be fitted above the intercooler. We could customize this design for someone if required.
Windows work fine for me though, and UK isnt very hot for more than a few days a year anyway.

Revolution Mini Works · Oct 24th, 2007, 02:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

We didnt want 3 cores stacked one behind the other (intercooler, condensor,rad) , and wanted the intercooler in the bumper aperture for max cooling & performance. A shorter condensor could be fitted above the intercooler. We could customize this design for someone if required.
Windows work fine for me though, and UK isnt very hot for more than a few days a year anyway.

I hear you... get's pretty hot in the states... not too many here will go without A/C

the kit looks great

NeuroBeaker · Oct 24th, 2007, 05:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

No spacers on rear, 5mm on front.

Just curious Roland, why not fit spacers to the rear too? Surely the wider your stance all-round, the better?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kumho Kid (original)

I hear you... get's pretty hot in the states... not too many here will go without A/C

Absolutely. I don't have A/C in the UK, but when I visit my parents in the states - well, you'd die without A/C in Alabama. It's blisteringly hot.

Cooooooperslad · Oct 24th, 2007, 08:06 PM

Check rolands website, I'm sure he actually offers a GTT spacer kit to space out the front wheels as it increases handling and decreases understeer

roland2003 · Oct 25th, 2007, 08:54 AM

Hi , you can do, personally I prefer going a bit wider on the front than the rear .

NeuroBeaker · Oct 26th, 2007, 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi , you can do, personally I prefer going a bit wider on the front than the rear .

May I ask what advantage this gives? I'd like to learn some more about these concepts and cannot see the technical advantage to being wider on the front than you are on the rear.

Japper · Oct 26th, 2007, 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

May I ask what advantage this gives? I'd like to learn some more about these concepts and cannot see the technical advantage to being wider on the front than you are on the rear.

It has the desired result of giving you more grip at the front on turn in, so less understeer. A wider track on the rear would have the opposite effect of more understeer. Most front wheel drive cars have a wider front track, but the MINI is an exception in OEM form.

roland2003 · Oct 26th, 2007, 02:31 PM

Hi, an example is the Pug 205gti 1.9 , they are 35mm wider at the front than the rear.

Loui · Oct 26th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original)

It has the desired result of giving you more grip at the front on turn in, so less understeer. A wider track on the rear would have the opposite effect of more understeer. Most front wheel drive cars have a wider front track, but the MINI is an exception in OEM form.

Only thing i found with spacers is it made the car much more unsettled, much prefer the drive with no spacers, for the gain it gave

Root Ginger · Oct 26th, 2007, 11:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Loui (original)

Only thing i found with spacers is it made the car much more unsettled, much prefer the drive with no spacers, for the gain it gave

Yes it should do. This unsettled feeling is what gives the car a faster turn in. make the car too balanced and it will turn slowly, make it too unbalanced and it's hard to stay in control. This is a classic battle in suspension design.

NeuroBeaker · Oct 28th, 2007, 05:22 PM

Ah, so inexperienced (i.e. useless) drivers like me should either space all the wheels out evenly to maintain the handling characteristics while improving stability, or leave it as OEM track widths front and back.

I like the way my car handles (particularly now I added Koni FSD shocks) so don't want to change the characteristics, but a bit more grip all round wouldn't go amis.

chuntington101 · Oct 29th, 2007, 12:56 PM

roland2003, have you got any pics of the manifold and turbo on or off the engine?? also are you using the stock intake manifold or a diffrent one?? fireballed racing had some problems with the stock manifold with their turbo cars.

thanks Chris.

roland2003 · Oct 29th, 2007, 02:43 PM

hi Chris, unfortunatly we are limited to what close ups we can show without giving too much away ..... this forum can & does get seen by many competitors. Inlet manifold is very good design ,four equal stubs at 90 degrees to a larger 'feed tank' ...matchs well to head, nice radiused lead in on each

We do some mods to it but you wont better it if you fabricate something up.

chuntington101 · Oct 31st, 2007, 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

hi Chris, unfortunatly we are limited to what close ups we can show without giving too much away ..... this forum can & does get seen by many competitors. Inlet manifold is very good design ,four equal stubs at 90 degrees to a larger 'feed tank' ...matchs well to head, nice radiused lead in on each

We do some mods to it but you wont better it if you fabricate something up.

thats very understandable Roland.

would you guys ever sell this as a kit?

Chris.

roland2003 · Oct 31st, 2007, 08:55 AM

hi, we wouldnt but thats more to do with the complexities of it (of which an instruction manual would not be enough to explain) ,than industrial espionage

Oct 23rd, 2007, 12:13 PM	#21
dwbrown Mini2 Pie & Curry Tester My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grove, Near Oxford Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 360 Offline	Sweet, I was lucky enough to turn up mid photo shoot, and can confirm it looks spectacular - Its a work of art, and gave me a semi when I had a poke around under the bonnet ;-) PS - Brakes are bedded in a treat Roland - Ta ! Big Brownz - Its A Nightfire Red Cooper D Clubman ! Visit My Homepage - View My Photos

Oct 24th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	Thanks again guys. We have just fitted up the car with GTT/Porsche Turbo brakes with 17" Ultraleggereras. (ET37) No spacers on rear, 5mm on front. Note the clocking in of the disc. The disc assembly is machined to .001" TIR . If the hub is perfect, even bolted on (use 4 bolts NOT just the single countersink grubscrew) total indicator reading is still within .001" at the edge of the disc. see pics:- Attached Thumbnails www.gttuning.com

Oct 24th, 2007, 02:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	Mine never had it,Lees had already been removed . -Just adds weight & uses fuel . www.gttuning.com

Oct 24th, 2007, 02:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	We didnt want 3 cores stacked one behind the other (intercooler, condensor,rad) , and wanted the intercooler in the bumper aperture for max cooling & performance. A shorter condensor could be fitted above the intercooler. We could customize this design for someone if required. Windows work fine for me though, and UK isnt very hot for more than a few days a year anyway. www.gttuning.com

Oct 24th, 2007, 05:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 6,243 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) No spacers on rear, 5mm on front. Just curious Roland, why not fit spacers to the rear too? Surely the wider your stance all-round, the better? Quote: Originally Posted by Kumho Kid (original) I hear you... get's pretty hot in the states... not too many here will go without A/C Absolutely. I don't have A/C in the UK, but when I visit my parents in the states - well, you'd die without A/C in Alabama. It's blisteringly hot. NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

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Oct 24th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#23 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 951 Offline	Looks Great.... do these cars have factory air conditioning?

Oct 24th, 2007, 02:15 PM	#25 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 951 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Mine never had it,Lees had already been removed . -Just adds weight & uses fuel . thanks for answering... will it work though if you want to keep the a/c?

Oct 24th, 2007, 02:31 PM	#27 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 06:09 AM Posts: 951 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) We didnt want 3 cores stacked one behind the other (intercooler, condensor,rad) , and wanted the intercooler in the bumper aperture for max cooling & performance. A shorter condensor could be fitted above the intercooler. We could customize this design for someone if required. Windows work fine for me though, and UK isnt very hot for more than a few days a year anyway. I hear you... get's pretty hot in the states... not too many here will go without A/C the kit looks great

Oct 24th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#29 (permalink)
Cooooooperslad MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2007 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 548 Offline	Check rolands website, I'm sure he actually offers a GTT spacer kit to space out the front wheels as it increases handling and decreases understeer Follower of 1320autos + GTTuning

Oct 25th, 2007, 08:54 AM	#30 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	Hi , you can do, personally I prefer going a bit wider on the front than the rear . www.gttuning.com

Oct 26th, 2007, 01:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 6,243 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi , you can do, personally I prefer going a bit wider on the front than the rear . May I ask what advantage this gives? I'd like to learn some more about these concepts and cannot see the technical advantage to being wider on the front than you are on the rear. NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

Oct 26th, 2007, 02:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
Japper MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oil Country Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 984 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) May I ask what advantage this gives? I'd like to learn some more about these concepts and cannot see the technical advantage to being wider on the front than you are on the rear. It has the desired result of giving you more grip at the front on turn in, so less understeer. A wider track on the rear would have the opposite effect of more understeer. Most front wheel drive cars have a wider front track, but the MINI is an exception in OEM form. 06 HB/W MCS Chilli

Oct 26th, 2007, 02:31 PM	#33 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	Hi, an example is the Pug 205gti 1.9 , they are 35mm wider at the front than the rear. www.gttuning.com

Oct 26th, 2007, 09:50 PM	#34 (permalink)
Loui 230whp an counting My Classifieds Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mini Addiction Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 3,155 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Japper (original) It has the desired result of giving you more grip at the front on turn in, so less understeer. A wider track on the rear would have the opposite effect of more understeer. Most front wheel drive cars have a wider front track, but the MINI is an exception in OEM form. Only thing i found with spacers is it made the car much more unsettled, much prefer the drive with no spacers, for the gain it gave WWW.MINIADDICTION.CO.UK

Oct 26th, 2007, 11:26 PM	#35 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Loui (original) Only thing i found with spacers is it made the car much more unsettled, much prefer the drive with no spacers, for the gain it gave Yes it should do. This unsettled feeling is what gives the car a faster turn in. make the car too balanced and it will turn slowly, make it too unbalanced and it's hard to stay in control. This is a classic battle in suspension design. It was acceptable in the 80's

Oct 28th, 2007, 05:22 PM	#36 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 6,243 Offline	Ah, so inexperienced (i.e. useless) drivers like me should either space all the wheels out evenly to maintain the handling characteristics while improving stability, or leave it as OEM track widths front and back. I like the way my car handles (particularly now I added Koni FSD shocks) so don't want to change the characteristics, but a bit more grip all round wouldn't go amis. NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

Oct 29th, 2007, 12:56 PM	#37 (permalink)
chuntington101 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 119 Offline	roland2003, have you got any pics of the manifold and turbo on or off the engine?? also are you using the stock intake manifold or a diffrent one?? fireballed racing had some problems with the stock manifold with their turbo cars. thanks Chris.

Oct 29th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#38 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	hi Chris, unfortunatly we are limited to what close ups we can show without giving too much away ..... this forum can & does get seen by many competitors. Inlet manifold is very good design ,four equal stubs at 90 degrees to a larger 'feed tank' ...matchs well to head, nice radiused lead in on each We do some mods to it but you wont better it if you fabricate something up. www.gttuning.com

Oct 31st, 2007, 07:42 AM	#39 (permalink)
chuntington101 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 119 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) hi Chris, unfortunatly we are limited to what close ups we can show without giving too much away ..... this forum can & does get seen by many competitors. Inlet manifold is very good design ,four equal stubs at 90 degrees to a larger 'feed tank' ...matchs well to head, nice radiused lead in on each We do some mods to it but you wont better it if you fabricate something up. thats very understandable Roland. would you guys ever sell this as a kit? Chris.

Oct 31st, 2007, 08:55 AM	#40 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 02:09 PM Posts: 2,740 Offline	hi, we wouldnt but thats more to do with the complexities of it (of which an instruction manual would not be enough to explain) ,than industrial espionage www.gttuning.com

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