[1320autos]

So is that when they built GPs on a Sunday

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

So is that when they built GPs on a Sunday

no that's when I built my engine....


btw.... how many of these GTT 240whp monsters are running around England?
Maybe we can get a shootout going?

[1320autos]

I dont know for sure, Roland will have all the numbers and who they are.

Good idea though we have been thinking off doing something for next year but there's so much else what gets in the way

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

I dont know for sure, Roland will have all the numbers and who they are.

Good idea though we have been thinking off doing something for next year but there's so much else what gets in the way

you plan on running the road track this year?

it will be a great place to show off the hp

[Tüls]

I have seen as great as a 30 HP variance... but that was the extreme friday at 5 build... LOL... everyone was 3 sheets to the wind at that point!

anyway.. great stuff Paul!

[Edenalig]

Great figures Paul!

I would also like to prove the value for money point too..

15% Pulley - £250 fitted
Alta CIA (second hand) £50 fitted
Milltek Cat back (second hand) £225 fitted
Janspeed Manifold (second hand) with new 120cpsi CAT £150 fitted
MTH Remap (pre price hike) £200

All that made 226bhp and 170ft lb with 2 worn piston rings + oil in the cylinders and im sure it would make 230+ now. Seems you dont need to splash major cash to get the power you want and I consider mine to be a friday night special!

[Loui]

Quote: Originally Posted by GT4 Baz (original)

Nice one Paul!

Some great value for money mods right there, no wonder yours is going well, must be 200kg lighter than mine too!

There you go guys, if you want a blinking quick cooper S for reasonable money, thats what you need to do! I would also add a scangauge so you can keep an eye on things when hooning around, just to be on the safe side

Looking forward to get the cars together at the Autodrome now!

Autodrome? ears prick up

Paul would you say mines a thursday engine LOL?

BTW impressie figures, you need me to pop down to try the thoery after the phone convo the other day ????

[1320autos]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tüls (original)

I have seen as great as a 30 HP variance... but that was the extreme friday at 5 build... LOL... everyone was 3 sheets to the wind at that point!

anyway.. great stuff Paul!

Cant wait to find the answer, just need to find a unlucky Friday owner.

I sent Tuls an apologitic message within 5 mins of us dynoing this engine in stock form for not believing him.

[Tüls]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Cant wait to find the answer, just need to find a unlucky Friday owner.

I sent Tuls an apologitic message within 5 mins of us dynoing this engine in stock form for not believing him.

my theory is compression from break in... when I checked mine in stock form it was close to 170 across the board... vs 130-140 ish from other cars that were dynoing very low...

now most people would just laugh at me about my break in theory... so that's why I use the wednesday build theory LOL... seems to be much more widely accepted LOL

It is true that Paul sent me the message... he must have really thought I was some kinda lunatic... LOL

[BigShow300]

Loui... GT4 Baz is talking about Bedford Autodrome on Saturday 15th December for an open pit lane track day. Be good to gauge interest in this actually as it would be nice to see a load of Mini's there as they have been a rare sight at Beford this year.

Track time begins at 9am and finishes at 4pm and the whole day is only £119. For those of you that haven't tried Bedford its a must do experience... the run off areas are massive so you can find the limit without the worry of hitting anything.

Confirmed so far are:

GT4 Baz
BigShow

Maybe's:

1320
BRM Cooper

For more info go here MotorSport Vision - A New Era in British Motorsport

[1320autos]

Yup I'll have to check some of our customers compression and dyno figures tomorrow

[BRMCooper]

WOO HOO i have a wednesday engine!!

[sef]

This will make a great point if ever selling the car...

'Comes with a Wednesday engine'...

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Roland,

We filled up with 99 Tesco the night before at 19.05, 28.94 litres £30.94, we used no additive, otcane booster or race fuels.

As i thought I had explained before but obviously didn't make myself clear enough, that there seems to be Wednesday built engines and Friday built engines, this phenomen can see up to 15 horsepower difference (now known as "Tuls theory")

So if a Wednesday engine turned up and added these mods it would probably make exactly the same as ours 240bhp, If a Friday afternoon engine turned up it might only make 225 bhp so still the same gain but you're starting with a less efficent engine.

I think I might have now sussed out why but we'll have to wait for a customer to come in with a Friday engine.

Our camshaft makes gains where the Shrick doesn't, we were lucky with the S cam that we got it spot on the first time, but that doesn't mean that we will rest on our laurals we'll keep experimenting, we might loose horsepower and torque 9 times out of 10 or even 10 out of 10, as with the Cooper cam, we didn't see any change and it might takes us another 10 camshafts untill we're happy.

Dont forget BRM Cooper saw 229bhp on the same dyno on the same day, his is the strongest Wednesday built engine we have ever seen(167whp 195bhp stock)

BRMCooper Surrey Rolling Road result

191.9@wheels (229.1@fly) 170ft lb@wheels (201ft lb)

Mods:

Alta 15%
Alta CAI
4-2-1 mani
JCW Back box

I cant believe that your Spin Dotor took that long to ome up with that one

And whose crank pulley was I recommending to one of our customers on Friday, GTT.

So going on your Friday engine theory, what day of the week would you say my engine was built then Paul, was mine a good result do you think, or just average .

[Damo]

Are we saying that Friday engine's actually get less than 170bhp?

Or that Friday engines get 170bhp and Wednesday Engines get a lot more. I felt mine was a quick S out the box and a Works was not much faster (there's was defo a Friday car though but thats all I'm allowed to say *L* )

[1320autos]

Roland, I just been looking a your website and I cant believe you even question our figures when you can reach that figure without even a camshaft being fitted.

Was those figures based on the tuners company car, what was the torque and wheel horsepower with this combo?

GTT240+ ecu remap + optimised bypass valve + high temp iridium sparkplugs + GTT supercharger pulley + shorter 'stickier' drive belt +GTT twin bearing idler pulley + GTT 'cold ram' induction system + GTT large top mount 16 tube intercooler c/w GTT diffuser + GTT exhaust re-route pipe + GTT lightweight 2 piece sports manifold & cat + GTT 63mm throttle body £2495+vat FITTED

[1320autos]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

So going on your Friday engine theory, what day of the week would you say my engine was built then Paul, was mine a good result do you think, or just average .

I knew people would start asking me this, unfortunatley it seems you have a Friday result, but what year is your car and what mileage have you done and has your supercharger belt been changed?? It might be as simple as your belt is slipping.

I'm gutted that you were one of the ones where Charlie kicked the plug out. so no data.

Best thing to do if you're not happy with the result is to pop up and we'll do a compression and leakdown test and go from there.

[1320autos]

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

Are we saying that Friday engine's actually get less than 170bhp?

Or that Friday engines get 170bhp and Wednesday Engines get a lot more. I felt mine was a quick S out the box and a Works was not much faster (there's was defo a Friday car though but thats all I'm allowed to say *L* )

Wednesday engines make 167whp 195bhp Friday engines a lot lot less

[Ant FR]

nothing like a good old rolling road read out to get the discussion going. And surrey seem to be the preferred choice for people on here too, so should be no conspiracy theories like we normaly get......lol

How do the new injectors get used fully without a change to the map. Surely they can only squirt what they are told to squirt ( that my layman term...lol) because even JCW cars that use the injectors have an uprated map on them.

Also what Cam has the ar got, is it one of these Schrik ones i keep reading about, seems strange to change the cam and not chaneg the head at the same time, was there a particular reason for this. i've always been told that the head is one of the worst areas of design in the MCS engine, and always been told that maximum benefit can be had here from doing the right mods.

[1320autos]

Thats why we haven't published any of our un-independant dyno figures as we know how much stick we would of got for it.

The std injectors actually made more power than the 380 JCW on our dyno but they are on the borderline at that level.

This isn't a Shrick cam, most Shrick cams loose a little at the bottom then gains at the top, this one seems to gain all round as evident by the 30-70 improvement / progress.

You can fool the head with a cam, if you read any limited class rules where valve lift is limited you will appreciate how much hp these guys are making with things that shouldn't work, unfortunatley most people believe adverts. (NHRA Super Stock)

A head is the most trickest part but I'll let Kuhmo Kid and Roland tell you about there R&D and discoveries.