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Perm · Dec 7th, 2007, 10:28 AM

Gents,

I have a budget of around £600 to spend on my car….. It already has a BBR 220 conversion on it which uses a 19% reduction pulley together with a Milltek Cat back exhaust.

What would you suggest the car would benefit from most next…..

1) Performance Exhaust Manifold ( Milltek or Janspeed { GTT one is to loud with the Milltek cat back )
2) A larger intercooler ( GTT or GRS )
3) Something else ? Larger injectors ect ???

Personally I think the intercooler……. Do you agree?
I do not track my car and it is used as a daily driver.

Many thanks

Perm

Bhozar · Dec 7th, 2007, 10:37 AM

If the GTT is too loud, then the Janspeed will probably be too loud too, as its a very similar design.

Get yourself an intercooler if you are worried about noise.

Besides, with a 19% pully, you could really do with the IC.

sef · Dec 7th, 2007, 10:53 AM

I agree with Bhozar... IC all the way...

Ant FR · Dec 7th, 2007, 12:17 PM

at this time of year, i would go manifold. But i would be wise.

First check ebay, with that budget you could have both. For the downpipe i would stick with the Milltek as it is a nice combo and designed and tested witht eh cat back. There have been a few on ebay roughly 230. however you can get them brand new for #450 is you shop around enough.

As for intercooler, again source from ebay, it will save you loads, i paid 200 quid for my GRS and its like new.

3rdpillar · Dec 7th, 2007, 01:13 PM

Daily Driver.. Go for the JanSpeed manifold. It wil smooth the power delivery and make your car very nice to drive in town. The Exhaust with the manifold only gives up its full choir over 3000 rpm when you plant your foot to the floor. Otherwise my Millteck/JanSpeed is not much louder than stock. ( unless I want it to be!

)

Richard Crofts · Dec 7th, 2007, 01:56 PM

Intercooler as the stock is killed by even a 15% pulley (I know as I was running one). If your on 19% you defo need to have a IC as the heat on your inlet must be huge as mine was baking hot all the time even in coller winter months on the 15%.

GTT and Janspeed to milltek are about the same noise IMO having followed both for many miles. I have the milly mani and a milly exhaustand thats just as loud....very head turning.

I'd advice a decent GRS or GTT IC. I run a GP IC at the moment and its very effective, but I am only on 15% at the moment with soon to have 3% crank... so only 18% even then. With your 19 you will need something better than the GP one IMO.

Aberdeen Al · Dec 7th, 2007, 02:04 PM

There is an Alta V2.0 intercooler on eBay sitting at £245 at the moment.................as said above you could get both if you shop around

MadUsa1 · Dec 7th, 2007, 02:55 PM

BBR use a 19% pulley on their 220?

How is it GTT manage 220 with a 17%?

I don't have a performance mani or a larger IC, but a bit of research tells me you really should get yourself a better IC given your 19% pulley.

By the way, anyone have problems getting performance manis and sport cats through the MOT?

Do they significantly increase noise (if so in a good way or a bad way?!)

Do they cause problems with emissions regs?

Aberdeen Al · Dec 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original)

By the way, anyone have problems getting performance manis and sport cats through the MOT?

Do they significantly increase noise (if so in a good way or a bad way?!)

Do they cause problems with emissions regs?

I've had no MOT / emissions / noise issues with my GTT manifold & JCW sports exhaust

Bhozar · Dec 7th, 2007, 03:22 PM

I had no problems getting my through the MOT last year with my GTT manifold and JCW exhaust. IT was even louder at the time as a gasket was blowing on the exhaust.

MadUsa1 · Dec 7th, 2007, 03:29 PM

what cat are you running Al?

Are you happy with that combo? Much power increase over the stock manifold with the JCW exhaust?

ScottyBoy · Dec 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

There is an Alta V2.0 intercooler on eBay sitting at £245 at the moment.................as said above you could get both if you shop around

Thats a DFIC and its a mates GP he's a member on hear, he had it in the Classifieds but he kept on getting messed about i think after numerous offers so its on ebay now!

If you wernt worried about noise id say maybe go for the manifold as the temperature this time of the year will definately help the standard intercooler but as you are then i guess the only option left is the IC,

Ant has the idea about ebay

and its what i did, i picked up a Janspeed Manifold with high flow cat from the guy whos selling the DFIC above for £200, and a brand new GTT IC with Snoot boots for £308 delivered from ebay! So its doable for both if you search and wait a few weeks maybe!

Perm · Dec 7th, 2007, 05:14 PM

Thanks for all the advice.

IC is the route I will follow...... go you guys rate the Alta V2 intercooler ????? Is it better than the GRS / GTT ?

Thanks

Perm

Paul Webster · Dec 7th, 2007, 05:55 PM

We have the GRS in stock at £396 or £337.02 plus vat.

GRS won the Focus St IC shootout in Performance Ford magazine recently even though it was the smallest of the aftermarket ones tested.

Knowledge is Power

Aberdeen Al · Dec 7th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original)

what cat are you running Al?

Are you happy with that combo? Much power increase over the stock manifold with the JCW exhaust?

I'm happy with it for just now

I had the JCW exhaust coupled to the OEM manifold not much gain tbh but it sounded better. I then fitted the GTT manifold.........the car wa transformed - better revving and far more pops & burbles

. The CAT is just what's fitted to the GTT manifold.

MadUsa1 · Dec 8th, 2007, 04:40 AM

Sounds good Al, think I'll add a GTT mani to my list...

Is it much louder than stock under "normal" town / motorway driving conditions?

Does it change the sound of the engine or just make it louder?

Aberdeen Al · Dec 8th, 2007, 11:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original)

Sounds good Al, think I'll add a GTT mani to my list...

Is it much louder than stock under "normal" town / motorway driving conditions?

Does it change the sound of the engine or just make it louder?

A little bit louder in town but not on motorway..................now I have new head & cam it's louder in town too

Jaw_F430 · Dec 8th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

I've had no MOT / emissions / noise issues with my GTT manifold & JCW sports exhaust

Could you do me a sound clip of your car as I am thinking of a mani but don't want it to be too loud with the JCW catback

Regards

James

Aberdeen Al · Dec 8th, 2007, 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

Could you do me a sound clip of your car as I am thinking of a mani but don't want it to be too loud with the JCW catback

Regards

James

YouTube - GTT Manifold & JCW Exhaust

Jaw_F430 · Dec 8th, 2007, 01:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original)

YouTube - GTT Manifold & JCW Exhaust

That was a rele quick reply cheers

Does it get a lot louder when under load?

Regards

James

Dec 7th, 2007, 10:28 AM	#1
Perm MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nottinghamshire Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 490 Offline	Performance Manifold or Larger Intercooler ? Gents, I have a budget of around £600 to spend on my car….. It already has a BBR 220 conversion on it which uses a 19% reduction pulley together with a Milltek Cat back exhaust. What would you suggest the car would benefit from most next….. 1) Performance Exhaust Manifold ( Milltek or Janspeed { GTT one is to loud with the Milltek cat back ) 2) A larger intercooler ( GTT or GRS ) 3) Something else ? Larger injectors ect ??? Personally I think the intercooler……. Do you agree? I do not track my car and it is used as a daily driver. Many thanks Perm

Dec 7th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
sef Affinity to 1320 Autos My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: A dark Corner Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 710 Online	I agree with Bhozar... IC all the way... www.miniclubuk.com

Dec 7th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aberdeen Al MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 641 Offline	There is an Alta V2.0 intercooler on eBay sitting at £245 at the moment.................as said above you could get both if you shop around Vroooom Vroooom

Dec 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
Aberdeen Al MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 641 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original) By the way, anyone have problems getting performance manis and sport cats through the MOT? Do they significantly increase noise (if so in a good way or a bad way?!) Do they cause problems with emissions regs? I've had no MOT / emissions / noise issues with my GTT manifold & JCW sports exhaust Vroooom Vroooom

Dec 7th, 2007, 05:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	We have the GRS in stock at £396 or £337.02 plus vat. GRS won the Focus St IC shootout in Performance Ford magazine recently even though it was the smallest of the aftermarket ones tested. Knowledge is Power Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

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Dec 7th, 2007, 10:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 1,280 Offline	If the GTT is too loud, then the Janspeed will probably be too loud too, as its a very similar design. Get yourself an intercooler if you are worried about noise. Besides, with a 19% pully, you could really do with the IC.

Dec 7th, 2007, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	at this time of year, i would go manifold. But i would be wise. First check ebay, with that budget you could have both. For the downpipe i would stick with the Milltek as it is a nice combo and designed and tested witht eh cat back. There have been a few on ebay roughly 230. however you can get them brand new for #450 is you shop around enough. As for intercooler, again source from ebay, it will save you loads, i paid 200 quid for my GRS and its like new.

Dec 7th, 2007, 01:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
3rdpillar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Blackburn Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 533 Offline	Daily Driver.. Go for the JanSpeed manifold. It wil smooth the power delivery and make your car very nice to drive in town. The Exhaust with the manifold only gives up its full choir over 3000 rpm when you plant your foot to the floor. Otherwise my Millteck/JanSpeed is not much louder than stock. ( unless I want it to be! )

Dec 7th, 2007, 01:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	Intercooler as the stock is killed by even a 15% pulley (I know as I was running one). If your on 19% you defo need to have a IC as the heat on your inlet must be huge as mine was baking hot all the time even in coller winter months on the 15%. GTT and Janspeed to milltek are about the same noise IMO having followed both for many miles. I have the milly mani and a milly exhaustand thats just as loud....very head turning. I'd advice a decent GRS or GTT IC. I run a GP IC at the moment and its very effective, but I am only on 15% at the moment with soon to have 3% crank... so only 18% even then. With your 19 you will need something better than the GP one IMO.

Dec 7th, 2007, 02:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
MadUsa1 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 11:01 PM Posts: 83 Offline	BBR use a 19% pulley on their 220? How is it GTT manage 220 with a 17%? I don't have a performance mani or a larger IC, but a bit of research tells me you really should get yourself a better IC given your 19% pulley. By the way, anyone have problems getting performance manis and sport cats through the MOT? Do they significantly increase noise (if so in a good way or a bad way?!) Do they cause problems with emissions regs?

Dec 7th, 2007, 03:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 1,280 Offline	I had no problems getting my through the MOT last year with my GTT manifold and JCW exhaust. IT was even louder at the time as a gasket was blowing on the exhaust.

Dec 7th, 2007, 03:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
MadUsa1 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 11:01 PM Posts: 83 Offline	what cat are you running Al? Are you happy with that combo? Much power increase over the stock manifold with the JCW exhaust?

Dec 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 2,950 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) There is an Alta V2.0 intercooler on eBay sitting at £245 at the moment.................as said above you could get both if you shop around Thats a DFIC and its a mates GP he's a member on hear, he had it in the Classifieds but he kept on getting messed about i think after numerous offers so its on ebay now! If you wernt worried about noise id say maybe go for the manifold as the temperature this time of the year will definately help the standard intercooler but as you are then i guess the only option left is the IC, Ant has the idea about ebay and its what i did, i picked up a Janspeed Manifold with high flow cat from the guy whos selling the DFIC above for £200, and a brand new GTT IC with Snoot boots for £308 delivered from ebay! So its doable for both if you search and wait a few weeks maybe!

Dec 7th, 2007, 05:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Perm MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nottinghamshire Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 490 Offline	Thanks for all the advice. IC is the route I will follow...... go you guys rate the Alta V2 intercooler ????? Is it better than the GRS / GTT ? Thanks Perm

Dec 7th, 2007, 08:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aberdeen Al MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 641 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original) what cat are you running Al? Are you happy with that combo? Much power increase over the stock manifold with the JCW exhaust? I'm happy with it for just now I had the JCW exhaust coupled to the OEM manifold not much gain tbh but it sounded better. I then fitted the GTT manifold.........the car wa transformed - better revving and far more pops & burbles . The CAT is just what's fitted to the GTT manifold. Vroooom Vroooom

Dec 8th, 2007, 04:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
MadUsa1 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 11:01 PM Posts: 83 Offline	Sounds good Al, think I'll add a GTT mani to my list... Is it much louder than stock under "normal" town / motorway driving conditions? Does it change the sound of the engine or just make it louder?

Dec 8th, 2007, 11:03 AM	#17 (permalink)
Aberdeen Al MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 641 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MadUsa1 (original) Sounds good Al, think I'll add a GTT mani to my list... Is it much louder than stock under "normal" town / motorway driving conditions? Does it change the sound of the engine or just make it louder? A little bit louder in town but not on motorway..................now I have new head & cam it's louder in town too Vroooom Vroooom

Dec 8th, 2007, 12:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 735 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) I've had no MOT / emissions / noise issues with my GTT manifold & JCW sports exhaust Could you do me a sound clip of your car as I am thinking of a mani but don't want it to be too loud with the JCW catback Regards James

Dec 8th, 2007, 12:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Aberdeen Al MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 641 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original) Could you do me a sound clip of your car as I am thinking of a mani but don't want it to be too loud with the JCW catback Regards James YouTube - GTT Manifold & JCW Exhaust Vroooom Vroooom

Dec 8th, 2007, 01:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 735 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aberdeen Al (original) YouTube - GTT Manifold & JCW Exhaust That was a rele quick reply cheers Does it get a lot louder when under load? Regards James

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