[MINI-Morgan]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

Im hoping to get around the 250 mark with the 1st set of mods after that who knows haha
I have big plans for the car which will all be finished by July this year fingers crossed
Im going to try and get out on the next LMR run mate but I do work most weekends

Not to be too negative but id be very suprised if you hit near 250 with those mods. With a big valve ported head and cams then it will be running very nicely

[1320autos]

46hp and 37 hp drivetrain loss, you would like to see it more consistant than that otherwise how will you be able to compare?

I seem to remember Jan and Brian making 186whp

[hyprblu]

I had mine on the dyno just before christmas and got 144KW at the wheels which is about 193 BHP I think.....it is a Nov 2006 JCW with a few mods

[GTT 280]

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

Drive train loss of 21%. Suprised that you got 218bhp to be honest. Dont think Snowie got that!

Edit: Based on drivetrain loss of between 10 to 15% would make it between 191.7 to 203.1

I don't think you can say drive train loss is xx%. It has nothing to do with power does it? The loss you'd experience would be the same for a 100bhp, 200bhp, or 300bhp car. A wheel is a wheel and so forth

I may be wrong...

Cheers,
K.

[Loui]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

I don't think you can say drive train loss is xx%. It has nothing to do with power does it? The loss you'd experience would be the same for a 100bhp, 200bhp, or 300bhp car. A wheel is a wheel and so forth

I may be wrong...

Cheers,
K.

No but 21% is way to much if thats the case theres a problem somewhere.

With the mods stated id expect you to see around 200whp an around 240bhp roughly

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by lucachiarelli (original)

Numbers are quite good gregg. I would think that 240bhp would be vmax with your first set of mods. Just out of interest why have you opted for the chargecooler instead of an intercooler?
Looking forward to seeing the car when its done

On a website I looked at they claim the Chargecooler adds 16 bhp and the intercooler 6 bhp so I thought what the hell
We will just wait and see

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Not to be too negative but id be very suprised if you hit near 250 with those mods. With a big valve ported head and cams then it will be running very nicely

Thats why I said "Around 250" not,
"I want 250 nothing less"

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

46hp and 37 hp drivetrain loss, you would like to see it more consistant than that otherwise how will you be able to compare?

I seem to remember Jan and Brian making 186whp

I just wanted before and after figures so I can see what my money has got me after its been to Lohen.
This is only for my piece of mind and not for bragging rights
As its only for me it doesn't need to be exact does it!

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by Loui (original)

No but 21% is way to much if thats the case theres a problem somewhere.

With the mods stated id expect you to see around 200whp an around 240bhp roughly

So there is a problem with my car? Or the Rolling Road?
If there is a problem with my car what could it be?
Just so I can get BMW to sort it or at least look at it
Im very green to all this as you can probably tell

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Not to be too negative but id be very suprised if you hit near 250 with those mods. With a big valve ported head and cams then it will be running very nicely

Thats Stage 2 of the mods
See Roland at GT Tuning for
Stage 4 Head
Bigger Injectors
Cam
Ecu Re-Map

[MINI-Morgan]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

Thats Stage 2 of the mods
See Roland at GT Tuning for
Stage 4 Head
Bigger Injectors
Exhaust Re-Route Pipe
Cam
Ecu Re-Map

I look forward to your results Should be a great little toy will all that on...roughly 270bhp maybe but the torque increase is where you are going to feel it most when you stamp on it at 4K rpm

Not sure if you said or not but might be worth added some brake upgrades somewhere.

[Loui]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

So there is a problem with my car?
What could it be? So I can get BMW to sort it or at least look at it
Im very green to all this as you can probably tell

I very much doubt it, just that RR seems to high % wise transmisson loss. Mine lost about 17% on 1320`s RR the last timeit went on

BTW the re route pipe wont fit on a JCW exhaust

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by Loui (original)

I very much doubt it, just that RR seems to high % wise transmisson loss. Mine lost about 17% on 1320`s RR the last timeit went on

BTW the re route pipe wont fit on a JCW exhaust

Haha cheers for that,
Crossing the Re-Route Pipe off the list as I type this

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

I look forward to your results Should be a great little toy will all that on...roughly 270bhp maybe but the torque increase is where you are going to feel it most when you stamp on it at 4K rpm

Not sure if you said or not but might be worth added some brake upgrades somewhere.

Going to get the Stoptech setup Damo has on his, Probably in March from Lohen fingers crossed

[MINI-Morgan]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

Going to get the Stoptech setup Damo has on his, Probably in March from Lohen fingers crossed

Good good! Wouldnt want you damaging your new new found power. Things certainly come at you much faster and the standard brakes cook very quick.

Also track days then become great fun

[KostaLot]

You can't compare 1320's rolling road with the one at TB Turbos.

Different models of rolling roads will always give different readings to each other. I read that 1320s is a Hoffmann unit and TBs is a Dastek 4WD unit.

I will be getting my new Evo on the rollers at TBs as soon as i get it, to compare with the reading it has on Powerstation's.

I've been to TBs rolling road on a number of occasions and it is spot on. We have even had a race car on the rollers and the result was spot on

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

Going to get the Stoptech setup Damo has on his, Probably in March from Lohen fingers crossed

I suspect you may need to invest in some new wheels to then. The daft offset the JCW (including the GP wheels) wheels have of 52, and the little clearence you offer means spacers of 25mm I think.

Some 18" ultraleggera's in black with more than likely an 8mm spacer should look very tasty

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

I don't think you can say drive train loss is xx%. It has nothing to do with power does it? The loss you'd experience would be the same for a 100bhp, 200bhp, or 300bhp car. A wheel is a wheel and so forth

I may be wrong...

Cheers,
K.

I would expect either the percetage to stay the same, or for it to increase in loss as the power went up. The way i was thinking was as the other parts are are under increaseing stresses. But then your right a wheel l will still weigh the same. Taking the 5 off that thread I posted, I know Graham's and Snowie's wheels are light so that would of helped with their percentages.

I would not expect the drivetrain loss to be a set figure though (all things being equal) as power went up. I would possiby expect at best that the percentage in oss may decrease slightly but for the drivetrain loss amount (in hp) not to stay constant.

But then thats just a guess based on what I 'think' I know lol

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

I suspect you may need to invest in some new wheels to then. The daft offset the JCW (including the GP wheels) wheels have of 52, and the little clearence you offer means spacers of 25mm I think.

Some 18" ultraleggera's in black with more than likely an 8mm spacer should look very tasty

This is going to end up costing me loads haha
Will the Stoptech kit defo not fit my wheels then?
What about any other Big Brake Kits?

[sam_a156]

Where the both runs done on the same gear?

I did a couple of runs dyno runs this week. The first run was 213hp/4th gear and the second one 222hp/5th gear. interestingly, on both runs the whp figure was the same: about 190whp. This was on V-Tech Dyno.