[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

This is going to end up costing me loads haha
Will the Stoptech kit defo not fit my wheels then?
What about any other Big Brake Kits?

Don't think of any good ones (IMO anyway) that fit the JCW Wheels.

Still trying to find some that fit the Stoptech that meet everything I want.

Look good
Reasonably light weight (My supereggera's are very light for 18's at 7.5kg)
Fit brakes without Spacers
18"

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original)

Where the both runs done on the same gear?

I did a couple of runs dyno runs this week. The first run was 213hp/4th gear and the second one 222hp/5th gear. interestingly, on both runs the whp figure was the same: about 190whp. This was on V-Tech Dyno.

Both runs done in 4th gear

[Paul Webster]

G as you suggested earlier its the Delta as Tuls calls it that matters, if you gain whp then all is okay in the world

[Paul Webster]

Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original)

Where the both runs done on the same gear?

I did a couple of runs dyno runs this week. The first run was 213hp/4th gear and the second one 222hp/5th gear. interestingly, on both runs the whp figure was the same: about 190whp. This was on V-Tech Dyno.

Nice R&D their Sam, does this add to the arguement that drivetrain loss measurements are worthless

Had av intresting chat with the owner off Rotary hub dynos today.

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Delta?
Tuls?
Sorry like Ive said before im very new to all this

[Paul Webster]

Delta is an American term for difference, Tuls is Tuls, he has a 450hp twin charged Mini and lives with Stoopid Girl who has the pinkest metilacist Mini on the planet.

[Loui]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Delta is an American term for difference, Tuls is Tuls, he has a 450hp twin charged Mini and lives with Stoopid Girl who has the pinkest metilacist Mini on the planet.

Tuls - you forgot is also a throughly nice chap who will do his best to help

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Delta is an American term for difference, Tuls is Tuls, he has a 450hp twin charged Mini and lives with Stoopid Girl who has the pinkest metilacist Mini on the planet.

Cheers for clearing that up for me haha

[sam_a156]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Nice R&D their Sam, does this add to the arguement that drivetrain loss measurements are worthless
:

Well, I was the crank hp man, but seeing these results made me wonder... But it is the "deltas" that count anyway.

Ps. So, how was the chat with the Rotary hub folks...?

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original)

Well, I was the crank hp man, but seeing these results made me wonder... But it is the "deltas" that count anyway.

Ps. So, how was the chat with the Rotary hub folks...?

Sam,

are you saying WHP matters?

[sam_a156]

Quote: Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works (original)

Sam,

are you saying WHP matters?

Erm...I will probably still need more time before I make such a strong statement But yes, thanks to the debate here, I have become more interested in looking at both figures.

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by sam_a156 (original)

Erm...I will probably still need more time before I make such a strong statement But yes, thanks to the debate here, I have become more interested in looking at both figures.

there is NO hiding in the whp world

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Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

I suspect you may need to invest in some new wheels to then. The daft offset the JCW (including the GP wheels) wheels have of 52, and the little clearence you offer means spacers of 25mm I think.

Some 18" ultraleggera's in black with more than likely an 8mm spacer should look very tasty

Spoke to Nick at Lohen about the Stoptech Big Brake setup same as yours mate and he reckons it will go on my GP if spacers are used! Either 20mm or 30mm if I remember right.

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by -G- (original)

Spoke to Nick at Lohen about the Stoptech Big Brake setup same as yours mate and he reckons it will go on my GP if spacers are used! Either 20mm or 30mm if I remember right.

You wont be disappointed mate Thought they needed massive spacers, but then the offset of 52-20mm spacer = 32 is still not a good offset 52-30mm spacer - 22 is just

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Roland at GT Tuning reckons Spacers will improve both the look and turn in
See link below
http://www.mini2.com/forum/gt-tuning...akes-pics.html
4th post down mate

[lucachiarelli]

I have 15mm spacers over my big brake kit and team dynamics 17 inch wheels. Didnt really notice a difference with handling. Front upper strut brace is a very good mod for sharper turn in and handling. I wouldnt put 20 mm spacers on with the big brakes. When i spoke to big show down at 1320 he had 20 mm spacers over his ap racing brakes with s spokes and i dont think he liked the way the car drove. I would get some lighweight wheels gregg with some good performance tyres such as yokohama, goodyear or toyo.

Which colour calipers are you going for with the stoptech?
When i was at lohen nick showed me some with the black calipers that he was putting on a mini one.
They looked very nice

[-G-]

Quote: Originally Posted by lucachiarelli (original)

I have 15mm spacers over my big brake kit and team dynamics 17 inch wheels. Didnt really notice a difference with handling. Front upper strut brace is a very good mod for sharper turn in and handling. I wouldnt put 20 mm spacers on with the big brakes. When i spoke to big show down at 1320 he had 20 mm spacers over his ap racing brakes with s spokes and i dont think he liked the way the car drove. I would get some lighweight wheels gregg with some good performance tyres such as yokohama, goodyear or toyo.

Which colour calipers are you going for with the stoptech?
When i was at lohen nick showed me some with the black calipers that he was putting on a mini one.
They looked very nice

Already have Yokohama tyres on the GP rims mate and Ive also had the JCW strutbrace since buying the car last year.
Think I will probably get the calipers in red

[Damo]

Yeah he has Yoko's already, think that was my fault

Think Red will be best for the GP. I wanted Black Stoptechs originally but both Black and Silver would of been a further 4 weeks. I was impatient though and was due to go in Modern MINI. A photoshop of my car with all 3 colour options (Black/Silver/Red) clinched it for the red ones.

Still need to paint my rear calipers red.

As for spacers, Roland says that increasing the front track width by 15mm gives the MINI the same front to rear track width as the Peugeout 205.

I'd agree that increasing the front track width is a good thing to improve turn in etc, but I think spacers are not a good idea. I'm only running 8mm on mine, and a custom spacer at that! Made up by Lohen with my spigots rings removed from my front wheels to make them as good as you could possibly get, but I'm personally against spacers if you can avoid them.

In theory they should be fine, but you need extended bolts. Plus apparently from other posts on here, its not the bolts or the hub that take the majority of the weight of a wheel when its attached to a car, but the friction between the hub plate (flat plate your wheel rests up against) and the inner wheel face. The bolts keep the wheel tight to the hub to create the friction.

With that information in mind, the addition of a spacer, means the longer bolts are trying to create 2 friction points rather than 1. Wheel to Spacer, Spacer to hub. Assuming everything all nice and tight it should be fine.

Other things to consider is that you increasing extra leverage on the axle by moving the weight of the wheel further away, making your suspension work harder

With a decent set of wheels with a good clearence the offset will more than likely be higher (again increaseing the leverage) but not as dramatic as 32 or 22 effective offset your taking about. Also you ony have one contact patch between the wheel and hub, rather than 2, wheel to spacer and spacer to hub.

You'll find a lot of people run spacers and are fine. Just not something I'm keen on. My mate Graham runs 15mm spacers I think for his APs, god knows what they'll have to be when he gets his stoptechs

Big problem though, finding nice looking 18" alloys that clear the brakes without spacers and are light weight.

My superleggeras are almost perfect in that they only need a spacer.

Luca what spacer are you running with your Pro Race's, and if none, any idea if the 18s clear just as well?

Oh yeah, I'm not saying give up the stoptechs to keep your GP wheels. Get em and use spacers then look for some decent wheels

[Damo]

MotoringFile » Archive » New MINI Wheels Coming for 2008

MotoringFile » Archive » Upgraded JCW Brakes Due for 2008

Read these 2 things yesterday. Maybe worth waiting to see if the new JCW 18" Wheels will clear the Stoptechs (or at least with a minimal spacer). Also be intresting to see what light weight means to MINI/BMW, if they're at leasr as light as the GP wheels (9.0kg), and they cleared my brakes then I would be happy to add a bit of weight just for ditching the spacers.

But then the new JCW brakes may end up being quite thin like the tarox kits. Something I'm waiting and seeing, as like all the JCW rims ('cept the GP ones sorry -G-).

Here is hoping they nick the wheel idea of mine:-

[Damo]

Forgot to add my photoshop


Now those I'd buy ^