[arvin]

also stop crapping on all the ideas i come up with.. or ill crap on your car with my 170brake cooper

[Hartge210]

Their mechanic is called Basil

Boom Boom

[lucachiarelli]

You dont want the internals anywhere near as hot as a cooper s. Im sure the cooper s has stronger/more durable internals than a cooper.
No intercooler sounds very wrong.
On the other hand the mini is all about being unique and its your car so at the end of the day its up to you, but if you ask opinions your going to get some good and bad.
Good luck if you go ahead with it

[lucachiarelli]

Quote: Originally Posted by arvin (original)

also stop crapping on all the ideas i come up with.. or ill crap on your car with my 170brake cooper

Dont think your car will be anywhere near ants as his is will be pushing 260bhp very soon.

[Richard Crofts]

:S

I would seriously not bother, main fact even if the engine stands up (which is unlikely, as its not just heat thats an issue) neither the midland or the getrag will survive for long...and the clutch system on the Cooper and ONE is total pap so that will break every 5 mins even on low boost 170bhp.

Main reason not to go that route...insurance. Most will just laught at you if you try to insure a turbo'd MINI R50 and the ones that don't will bancrupt you. The prices on insurance for a severly modded Cooper will be far in excess of a relatively standard S

If you defo want to go turbo R50 route then I'd consider doing a hybrid. Your Cooper engine rebuilt with S piston and other internals for the strength and then fit the turbo kit. Also consider dropping by 1320 and getting a decent and durable box/clutch etc (they do a 6 speed S conversion for the Cooper/ONE) Its the only way you'll keep a 170+ bhp tubo R50 on the road mate... not being mean just trying to save you hassle bud.

[James]

Quote: Originally Posted by arvin (original)

Thats the response i was lookin for lol,

Obviously a turbo conversion requires loads of testing and development and it looks like they know what theyre on about.. they say they havent had an engine failure to date, but id expect the gbox to go with the way i drive it

They probably haven't done it on a car to date

[James]

also arvin if your insurance is 8000 at the moment, you'll probably be able to buy a cooper s with the money you pay insurance if you stick a turbo in ur cooper!

[MINI-Morgan]

Wow you guys really are on PMT arent you??

Its only running 7psi of boost so blowing up is fairly unlikely if it is correctly fuelled.

I say for £2K if you want to do it then try it. But see if you can take a demo car out and you will have to do all your accelerating in gear. Not dumping it to get away from the lights quicker being a boy racer. Will have to be sensible.....

Certainly a 170hp Turbo Cooper will kill a standard MCS and maybe even a Works with the new low end torque.

Anyone done an insurance quote? Do one and find out before all the guess work.

[MINI-Morgan]

Quote: Originally Posted by arvin (original)

Thats the response i was lookin for lol,

Obviously a turbo conversion requires loads of testing and development and it looks like they know what theyre on about.. they say they havent had an engine failure to date, but id expect the gbox to go with the way i drive it

Well unlike all the negatively on here I have seen many cars that fun turbos well beyond what people say they could. The Saxo comes to mind.....242bhp should kill right? No but seriously quick little car. The only reason it doesnt blow up is that is only running 9psi of boost. More with standard CR will give an effective CR too high.

p.s. to cool the flow of 9psi you will only need a small intercooler if you did fit one. But the effiency of the turbo is well beyond that of a supercharger which is there to drain power to make heat.

[batou]

It's all engine, engine, engine!! Speed, speed, speed!! Does it never occur that a car is built to cope with what it's born with, you could strap a baby to a supercharged pedal car and it would be one fast baby but it wouldn't be safe!

You'll need to think about much better brakes, better suspension, better diff, better gearbox, better clutch etc. Otherwise the car would be so unbalanced. Remember the Bentley engined Golf on topgear, great in a straight line but so bad on corners. Why else do you see cooper S owners with uprated cylinder heads, big brake kits etc when they have big BHP numbers????

It's such a stupid idea, it's a cool prospect don't get me wrong but you'd have to change so much. One word... moneypit.

If you pulled up next to me with a turbo'd cooper I'd wave goodbye and let you go, as if I'd trust driving alongside something like that, not only is it more likely to see something go pear shaped and take me with it, I can't see many people sub 25 who can actually afford to have full insurance on such a car.

[Richard Crofts]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Wow you guys really are on PMT arent you??

Its only running 7psi of boost so blowing up is fairly unlikely if it is correctly fuelled.

I say for £2K if you want to do it then try it. But see if you can take a demo car out and you will have to do all your accelerating in gear. Not dumping it to get away from the lights quicker being a boy racer. Will have to be sensible.....

Certainly a 170hp Turbo Cooper will kill a standard MCS and maybe even a Works with the new low end torque.

Anyone done an insurance quote? Do one and find out before all the guess work.

You'll note not all of us have an issue with the engine (although I believe it will be touch and go personally) ... My concern is a Cooper/ONE gearbox (even the Getrag) and clutch going pop every 5 mins. Your right that a low boost would probably not explode the engine, if mapped/pumped/injected right ... but anything over 150bhp and the Cooper/ONE boxes start to struggle (ask Lohen). But 170 is gonna cause some serious issues, so its not just 2k for the kit, its 2kfor a clutch and box asembly from 1320 that woul have to be sought IMO. Thats 4k nearly and then theres the astronomical insurance its due to tuning ... so thats gonna be nearly 2k is my guess so that means 6k total ... the cars probably only worth a few K more... so is it worth it to do it by halves?

I'd consider it if you got a scrap S engine and box etc and got something cobbled together using thier cheap turbo kit then just bolted it in

[batou]

Your 17..... "pay" £5,000-6,000 on insurance because you couldn't handle a standard cooper, let alone a turbo'd one.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...my-cooper.html

You've asked this and similar before, and you got the same answer leave it at that. The less people with no insurance and fast cars on the road the better.

[Ant FR]

Quote: Originally Posted by arvin (original)

also stop crapping on all the ideas i come up with.. or ill crap on your car with my 170brake cooper

yeah ok,

the day that happens is the day i eat my car, using chopsticks too

[MINIMANIAUK]

Without any budget issues a simple comparisson between one/cooper an S
The factory decided that the S should have the following ;
stronger rods,lower compression pistons,stronger valves,added oil squirted under the pistons for cooling,intercooler,6 speed stronger box,pressurised cooling system, --all for 163 bhp and boost pressure around 9 psi

A turbo one/cooper running even 7psi without the benefit of the above changes would I suspect cause some issues,usually running boost on N/A cars the head gaskets give up very quickly for example,but hey If thats what you want go get it done!!

[Ant FR]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Well unlike all the negatively on here I have seen many cars that fun turbos well beyond what people say they could. The Saxo comes to mind.....242bhp should kill right? No but seriously quick little car. The only reason it doesnt blow up is that is only running 9psi of boost. More with standard CR will give an effective CR too high.

p.s. to cool the flow of 9psi you will only need a small intercooler if you did fit one. But the effiency of the turbo is well beyond that of a supercharger which is there to drain power to make heat.

Yeah but would that saxo 242bhp conversion seem as attractive if there was a standard Saxo ( for example Maxi) that came in the range with 242bhp. would you bother making one, no. especially if the 242bhp saxo could be had for nearly the same money as the standard VTS. You see my point.

its for this exact reason Lohen have sold virtually bugger all of their 150 conversions for the Cooper.

its not being negative, its being realistic.

Plus the MCS would provide so much scope on top too.

[MINIAC]

MINIMANIAUK ...

Did you get any takers on the Turbo Kits you offered back in December 2006?

[Paul Webster]

M7 tried this kit on a couple off Coopers and hurt a few pistons, If you look through NAM you might find something referring to it.

We've got a few bullets in stock so go for it.

Personally I would defintley at least change the pistons for lower compression forged units if you keep your Cooper engine, I would still rather put an S engine in though.

If I remember correctly in converstion with Hubie and Jay the Cooper ecu isn't compatible for a boosted engine.

I would still want an intercooler off some description on there.

[MINIMANIAUK]

Basically -NO
I had half a dozen manifolds ,turbos etc ,these were all from the company who BMW contracted to do evaluation of a turbo installation before the charger route was selected , this was carried out and worked well ,but the install was on a mule car and not made to be pretty.
It was never going to be a cheap conversion as so much had to be altered to cater for the one/s differences.
With enough interest great things can be done ,without interest / money it gets harder , a very high revving light weight cooper , -say 10000 rpm plus is probably an "easier" option for the N/A car with revised gearing,S box -still not a cheap task !! and you have to consider why the owner got a MINI ONE in the first place - cheaper car,less fuel,less insurance ... does not really go together with either big performance or budgets

[Richard Crofts]

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Your 17..... "pay" £5,000-6,000 on insurance because you couldn't handle a standard cooper, let alone a turbo'd one.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...my-cooper.html

You've asked this and similar before, and you got the same answer leave it at that. The less people with no insurance and fast cars on the road the better.

Easy there.... you give yourself and embolism LOL

No harm in him being interested/asking, even if its just pie in the sky or not practicle....thats how many folks find this stuff out.

[Ant FR]

I still want to see someone use a nice set of Jenveys on an NA mini. Throttle bodies would sound the nuts on a cooper, but nobody seems to have done or even spoken about it.

My mate has a rather nice 206 Cc with a longmans race engine conversion, 2.0 16v on throttle bodies and head work along with standa lone management, it used to reve to 9800rpm, was abotu 230bhp with a 75 bhp shot of NOS on top. I can honestly say the power delivery and drive of the car was one of the nicest engines i have ever had the chance to drive, and with the NOS it was plain silly. oh and it sounded the ****.

Oooohh or Carbs, imagine dumping all the fuel injection and going back to twin 45's. my brother Nova 2.0 16v runs carbs and its so fruity.

right someone give me a cooper and i'll supply the carbs,