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Ant FR · Feb 1st, 2008, 11:35 AM

Ok, its looking like the bearings have gone in my supercharger (55k miles) will find out for certain in the morning. But anyone know how much to change the supercharger, preferably the facelift version. I thought someone off here had one done by Paul at 1320. Was it not big show from memory or cooperslad. I honestly can't remember.

Anyway prices please if anyone knows. Do 1320 stock facelift chargers??

Rigsey · Feb 1st, 2008, 11:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

Ok, its looking like the bearings have gone in my supercharger (55k miles) will find out for certain in the morning. But anyone know how much to change the supercharger, preferably the facelift version. I thought someone off here had one done by Paul at 1320. Was it not big show from memory or cooperslad. I honestly can't remember.

Anyway prices please if anyone knows. Do 1320 stock facelift chargers??

Sounds expensive .... what type of noise is it making?

Ant FR · Feb 1st, 2008, 12:01 PM

As it sounds like a turbine spooling up and on idle it clicks and sounds really rough, Kinf of like the speed related noise you get when a wheel bearing goes.

I was Up AMD this morning getting my Milltek checked over as we thought it was leaking from the front. But the guys there diagnosed the noise straight away as the bearing. Although they did say it can be rebuilt its usually cheaper to buy a new supercharger off ebay and fit that instead due to rebuilding the E45 being quite hard to balance when rebuilding.

getting second opinion in the morning

AndyH_MCS · Feb 1st, 2008, 12:20 PM

I don't think they stock them but can advise you what to get on ebay. I've seen a couple of S/Cs on ebay recently so i think thats going to be your best bet.

ALD0 · Feb 1st, 2008, 12:24 PM

The SC's always use to be coming up on Ebay as people who had the JCW's fitted at the dealer,kept their old one (Or the mechanincs kept them), then it would be fitted at the factory, there is not as many on there now.
They use to go for £100 approx on the bay.

Capsaisin · Feb 1st, 2008, 02:27 PM

There are one or two on ebay at the moment. I would allow up to £200 for a good low mileage 2nd gen supercharger and I would make a point of asking what year car it came off. The s/c part number should be on a label stuck to the s/c body so if there is any doubt ask for this information.

You could probably fit it yourself, if you are adept with a set of spanners. There is actually someone advertising on ebay, a brand new s/c with possible fitting service.

GTT 280 · Feb 1st, 2008, 05:02 PM

Hmmmm... i think i will defo keep my 5th Gen charger then.

Have we heard of these wearing out at 55,000 miles before?

Nice to know it was not the pulley setup and kit you've just had fitted

Cheers,
K.

Capsaisin · Feb 1st, 2008, 06:32 PM

I've not seen many reports of s/c with cooked bearings. But if you have extensively modded the car then it does make sense IMO to have a spare s/c and head. Let's face it, they can be, or at least used to be, available on ebay for peanuts compared to BMW prices.

GTT 280 · Feb 1st, 2008, 06:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin (original)

I've not seen many reports of s/c with cooked bearings. But if you have extensively modded the car then it does make sense IMO to have a spare s/c and head. Let's face it, they can be, or at least used to be, available on ebay for peanuts compared to BMW prices.

"...and head" ???

Why do you need another head

Cheers,
K.

Paul Webster · Feb 1st, 2008, 07:01 PM

Ant, we charge 4hrs labour to change a supercharger £40 plus vat, I cant remember if I have any 5th gen suoercharger on the shelf I know we've got a load off early ones like yours.

What % and whose pulley have you?

Capsaisin · Feb 1st, 2008, 07:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

"...and head" ???

Why do you need another head

Cheers,
K.

There are actually more reports of head damage due to spark plugs stripping threads and burnt out exhaust valves, than there are reports of s/c damage. Typically S heads have been selling for £50 on ebay. That has got to be cheaper than a repair.
Now when you also consider that a lot of these s/c and heads are basically brand new it seems like good insurance to me to get a set.

Hyper Active · Feb 1st, 2008, 07:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

"...and head" ???

Why do you need another head

Cheers,
K.

Because two heads are better than one

.

Paul Webster · Feb 1st, 2008, 08:31 PM

Ant does that mean you're not dynoing / tuning this weekend?

Jaw_F430 · Feb 1st, 2008, 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin (original)

There are actually more reports of head damage due to spark plugs stripping threads and burnt out exhaust valves, than there are reports of s/c damage. Typically S heads have been selling for £50 on ebay. That has got to be cheaper than a repair.
Now when you also consider that a lot of these s/c and heads are basically brand new it seems like good insurance to me to get a set.

I did just that after I fitted my 15% pulley, bought teflon coated s/c and two cylinder heads, mainly because they were cheap

. I think the head is about £1000 from bmw and the s/c is £1100ish from eaton i think

Ant FR · Feb 2nd, 2008, 10:09 AM

Ok popped down to gtt now and Roland is being a gent and supplying and fitting a black Teflon coated s/charger at a great price, and best bit is he's doing it for me now, so I am still able to do my rolling road next weekend, result!

Thanks for the price Paul but I had to take roland offer up as was easier as already here, here's to a quieter drive home....... LOL

Oh and not sure how much extra power its worth but the sc was used briefly on roland's car so easily means an extra 10bhp surely,,,,,,,LOL

GTT 280 · Feb 2nd, 2008, 11:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

I did just that after I fitted my 15% pulley, bought teflon coated s/c and two cylinder heads, mainly because they were cheap

. I think the head is about £1000 from bmw and the s/c is £1100ish from eaton i think

£1100 !!!!

Cheers,
K.

Paul Webster · Feb 3rd, 2008, 08:34 AM

No problrm Ant, glad you got sorted so you can get tuned today, good luck cant wait to see what whp / bhp / trq figures you get.

Do they monitor boost IAT etc etc?

Paul Webster · Feb 3rd, 2008, 08:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

Oh and not sure how much extra power its worth but the sc was used briefly on roland's car so easily means an extra 10bhp surely,,,,,,,LOL

The question is, is it the famous one that made 273bhp

....................

Ant FR · Feb 3rd, 2008, 01:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

The question is, is it the famous one that made 273bhp

....................

Ironically nope, as that 273 was running a standard grey one. This one was only on the car briefly before the turbo makeover.

Its in for RR next weekend not this weekend the 10th

GTT 280 · Feb 3rd, 2008, 01:58 PM

will you be running Tesco 99 or V-Power, and will you be using a 40:1 OB imxture?

are you doing a 3rd gear and a 4th gear blast to see how they differ regarding torque?

Feb 1st, 2008, 11:35 AM	#1
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	Cost of Supercharger change anyone Ok, its looking like the bearings have gone in my supercharger (55k miles) will find out for certain in the morning. But anyone know how much to change the supercharger, preferably the facelift version. I thought someone off here had one done by Paul at 1320. Was it not big show from memory or cooperslad. I honestly can't remember. Anyway prices please if anyone knows. Do 1320 stock facelift chargers??

Feb 1st, 2008, 11:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rigsey MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kent Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 532 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original) Ok, its looking like the bearings have gone in my supercharger (55k miles) will find out for certain in the morning. But anyone know how much to change the supercharger, preferably the facelift version. I thought someone off here had one done by Paul at 1320. Was it not big show from memory or cooperslad. I honestly can't remember. Anyway prices please if anyone knows. Do 1320 stock facelift chargers?? Sounds expensive .... what type of noise is it making? GTT, GRS, Janspeed, JCW, OMP + various other bits - 232.6bhp, 191.2lbft on 1320's rolling road

Feb 1st, 2008, 12:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacked the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 9,201 Offline	The SC's always use to be coming up on Ebay as people who had the JCW's fitted at the dealer,kept their old one (Or the mechanincs kept them), then it would be fitted at the factory, there is not as many on there now. They use to go for £100 approx on the bay. http://www.becardsmart.org.uk/

Feb 1st, 2008, 05:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Hmmmm... i think i will defo keep my 5th Gen charger then. Have we heard of these wearing out at 55,000 miles before? Nice to know it was not the pulley setup and kit you've just had fitted Cheers, K. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Feb 1st, 2008, 06:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin (original) I've not seen many reports of s/c with cooked bearings. But if you have extensively modded the car then it does make sense IMO to have a spare s/c and head. Let's face it, they can be, or at least used to be, available on ebay for peanuts compared to BMW prices. "...and head" ??? Why do you need another head Cheers, K. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

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Feb 1st, 2008, 12:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	As it sounds like a turbine spooling up and on idle it clicks and sounds really rough, Kinf of like the speed related noise you get when a wheel bearing goes. I was Up AMD this morning getting my Milltek checked over as we thought it was leaking from the front. But the guys there diagnosed the noise straight away as the bearing. Although they did say it can be rebuilt its usually cheaper to buy a new supercharger off ebay and fit that instead due to rebuilding the E45 being quite hard to balance when rebuilding. getting second opinion in the morning

Feb 1st, 2008, 12:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
AndyH_MCS MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 225 Offline	I don't think they stock them but can advise you what to get on ebay. I've seen a couple of S/Cs on ebay recently so i think thats going to be your best bet.

Feb 1st, 2008, 02:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 09:57 PM Posts: 3,364 Offline	There are one or two on ebay at the moment. I would allow up to £200 for a good low mileage 2nd gen supercharger and I would make a point of asking what year car it came off. The s/c part number should be on a label stuck to the s/c body so if there is any doubt ask for this information. You could probably fit it yourself, if you are adept with a set of spanners. There is actually someone advertising on ebay, a brand new s/c with possible fitting service.

Feb 1st, 2008, 06:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 09:57 PM Posts: 3,364 Offline	I've not seen many reports of s/c with cooked bearings. But if you have extensively modded the car then it does make sense IMO to have a spare s/c and head. Let's face it, they can be, or at least used to be, available on ebay for peanuts compared to BMW prices.

Feb 1st, 2008, 07:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	Ant, we charge 4hrs labour to change a supercharger £40 plus vat, I cant remember if I have any 5th gen suoercharger on the shelf I know we've got a load off early ones like yours. What % and whose pulley have you? Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 1st, 2008, 07:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 09:57 PM Posts: 3,364 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original) "...and head" ??? Why do you need another head Cheers, K. There are actually more reports of head damage due to spark plugs stripping threads and burnt out exhaust valves, than there are reports of s/c damage. Typically S heads have been selling for £50 on ebay. That has got to be cheaper than a repair. Now when you also consider that a lot of these s/c and heads are basically brand new it seems like good insurance to me to get a set.

Feb 1st, 2008, 07:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hyper Active MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Watford, Herts. UK Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 2,259 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original) "...and head" ??? Why do you need another head Cheers, K. Because two heads are better than one .

Feb 1st, 2008, 08:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	Ant does that mean you're not dynoing / tuning this weekend? Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 1st, 2008, 10:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 735 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin (original) There are actually more reports of head damage due to spark plugs stripping threads and burnt out exhaust valves, than there are reports of s/c damage. Typically S heads have been selling for £50 on ebay. That has got to be cheaper than a repair. Now when you also consider that a lot of these s/c and heads are basically brand new it seems like good insurance to me to get a set. I did just that after I fitted my 15% pulley, bought teflon coated s/c and two cylinder heads, mainly because they were cheap. I think the head is about £1000 from bmw and the s/c is £1100ish from eaton i think

Feb 2nd, 2008, 10:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	Ok popped down to gtt now and Roland is being a gent and supplying and fitting a black Teflon coated s/charger at a great price, and best bit is he's doing it for me now, so I am still able to do my rolling road next weekend, result! Thanks for the price Paul but I had to take roland offer up as was easier as already here, here's to a quieter drive home....... LOL Oh and not sure how much extra power its worth but the sc was used briefly on roland's car so easily means an extra 10bhp surely,,,,,,,LOL

Feb 2nd, 2008, 11:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Supercharger Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original) I did just that after I fitted my 15% pulley, bought teflon coated s/c and two cylinder heads, mainly because they were cheap. I think the head is about £1000 from bmw and the s/c is £1100ish from eaton i think £1100 !!!! Cheers, K. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Feb 3rd, 2008, 08:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	No problrm Ant, glad you got sorted so you can get tuned today, good luck cant wait to see what whp / bhp / trq figures you get. Do they monitor boost IAT etc etc? Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 3rd, 2008, 08:44 AM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,956 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original) Oh and not sure how much extra power its worth but the sc was used briefly on roland's car so easily means an extra 10bhp surely,,,,,,,LOL The question is, is it the famous one that made 273bhp.................... Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 3rd, 2008, 01:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original) The question is, is it the famous one that made 273bhp.................... Ironically nope, as that 273 was running a standard grey one. This one was only on the car briefly before the turbo makeover. Its in for RR next weekend not this weekend the 10th

Feb 3rd, 2008, 01:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 08:57 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	will you be running Tesco 99 or V-Power, and will you be using a 40:1 OB imxture? are you doing a 3rd gear and a 4th gear blast to see how they differ regarding torque? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

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