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ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 04:34 PM

Hey Guys.

I was recently at the RR Shoot out at 1320's and while im happy with how my car drives im still left with the thought that from the Mods that i have im a little under powered.

It came out at 210BHP and 179WHP, Previously i had 217BHP and they only thing changed was the Alta CAI to M7 AGS.

I currently have

GTT Intercooler & Snoot Boots
Alta 15% S/C Pulley
Alta 2% larger Crank Pulley
M7 Air Gain System
Janspeed Manifold
JCW Exhaust
JCW Remap
NGK Plugs
GTT Oil Catch Can
Optimised Bypass Valve

With these Mods id be expecting anything around 230BHP. I am happy with the car but when you have spent money on your car expecting something more its a little anoying.

If Damo doesnt mind illpost his spec...

17% Alta V2 Pulley
GRS Intercooler
Alta CAI
NGK Iridium Spark Plugs
JCW 380cc Injectors
Play MINI Cat Back
Standard Manifold

And that pulled out ... 238.3 Flywheel and 207 WHP

Whats your Thoughts?

Scott

Paul Webster · Feb 24th, 2008, 04:43 PM

Sound is a wonderfull thing, making more hp and trq is something else.

Welcome to the world off R&D, I think that the others who purchased the M7AGS V1 V2 V3 probably found similar results otherwise this product would be sold today.

If you look at Jans GP not only does the stock intake tube have pull in enough air for one of his heads it also has to deal with providing enough for a 2L as well, though this only relative to what rpm you're spinning the 2L or the 1.6 to.

Remember to only change one thing at a time otherwise you'll loose the rabbit.

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 04:47 PM

If i changed back to stock air intake, i doubt id find that extra 20bhp that id like paul?

Maybe my Remap is not the best? i might get it re-flashed back to the Stock map.

Jaw_F430 · Feb 24th, 2008, 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original)

Hey Guys.

I was recently at the RR Shoot out at 1320's and while im happy with how my car drives im still left with the thought that from the Mods that i have im a little under powered.

It came out at 210BHP and 179WHP, Previously i had 217BHP and they only thing changed was the Alta CAI to M7 AGS.

I currently have

GTT Intercooler & Snoot Boots
Alta 15% S/C Pulley
Alta 2% larger Crank Pulley
M7 Air Gain System
Janspeed Manifold
JCW Exhaust
JCW Remap
NGK Plugs
GTT Oil Catch Can
Optimised Bypass Valve

With these Mods id be expecting anything around 230BHP. I am happy with the car but when you have spent money on your car expecting something more its a little anoying.

If Damo doesnt mind illpost his spec...

17% Alta V2 Pulley
GRS Intercooler
Alta CAI
NGK Iridium Spark Plugs
JCW 380cc Injectors
Play MINI Cat Back
Standard Manifold

And that pulled out ... 238.3 Flywheel and 207 WHP

Whats your Thoughts?

Scott

I would expect yours to be at 230bhp too. Did you have a compression test and leakdown test done? This could highlight any loss in power.

I was at 1320 a few weeks before the shootout and pulled 225bhp my spec is:

JCW remap
JCW cat back
380cc injectors
NGK BKR 7EQUP plugs
15% pulley
GP intercooler
JCW air intake

Also found out that my front wishbone bushes had gone as well which made it difficult to get a reading on the dyno.

Regards

James

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 04:54 PM

Alreet James.

I havent but i may go back this saturday if paul has time as instead of paying £120 in Petrol to go home for the weekend i may go and give paul that money to sort it out!

Im gunna fit the Standard Airbox this week sometime and then if i do go back then we'l see what the dyno says.

Then if i sell the M7 thingy That could be another bit of cash for Paul.

Paul can you fit me on Sat?

Jaw_F430 · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original)

Alreet James.

I havent but i may go back this saturday if paul has time as instead of paying £120 in Petrol to go home for the weekend i may go and give paul that money to sort it out!

Im gunna fit the Standard Airbox this week sometime and then if i do go back then we'l see what the dyno says.

Then if i sell the M7 thingy That could be another bit of cash for Paul.

Paul can you fit me on Sat?

Its worth while doing as it settles your mind. Im glad I had mine done as I am in the process of trying to get the dealer to fit new rings to my engine!!

Having read up on the compression test the operating window is quite large lower limit is 131psi and the upper limit is 196psi. So anywhere in this range the dealer would be happy with, but the key point is that maximum difference between cylinders is 7psi (0.5bar). So mine were all 150psi apart from cylinder 2 which was 135psi so a difference of 15psi!!

Hope you get sorted Scott.

Regards

James

P.S what did your boost pressure max out at? Could be s/c belt slipping

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:05 PM

My boost gauge reads around 16-17 PSI on the road, i used to get 18PSI as the traction turned off as it does when you hit that and i havent been able to do this for a while, i am due a change on the belt i think im close to 10k on this one so ill get that done while im there!

Jaw_F430 · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original)

My boost gauge reads around 16-17 PSI on the road, i used to get 18PSI as the traction turned off as it does when you hit that and i havent been able to do this for a while, i am due a change on the belt i think im close to 10k on this one so ill get that done while im there!

If you do go back on 1320 rolling road get Paul to plug the laptop in so that you can monitor the boost pressure on that as it will be more accurate, but at least you have an indication with your gauge that you are not boosting to what you have seen before.

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

If you do go back on 1320 rolling road get Paul to plug the laptop in so that you can monitor the boost pressure on that as it will be more accurate, but at least you have an indication with your gauge that you are not boosting to what you have seen before.

True...

When i did hit 18PSI it was usally slightly wet and slippy everytime, would this make any difference to the dryer roads the past few weeks? i.e if i had any wheel slip or anything?

MINI-Morgan · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:20 PM

Check your bypass valve and for any leaks

Jaw_F430 · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original)

True...

When i did hit 18PSI it was usally slightly wet and slippy everytime, would this make any difference to the dryer roads the past few weeks? i.e if i had any wheel slip or anything?

I would think it could have something to do with the wet road as when the wheels begin to spin the load it removed slightly so the rpm rises a lot quicker and maybe the boost pressure peaks slightly higher, but I am not sure at all thats just my thoughts. Maybe someone else may be able to comment on this

Regards

James

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 05:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Check your bypass valve and for any leaks

I have done. Last time was about 2 weeks ago when i fitted the M7 AGS, i took it off and checked it.

Also i realigned it about 3 month before that.

Paul Webster · Feb 24th, 2008, 06:01 PM

Did we connect the laptop up to yours Scotty? If we did PM me your Reg.

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 06:06 PM

Nope we didnt this time which i guess we shud off now.

Paul Webster · Feb 24th, 2008, 06:30 PM

lol isn't that always the way

I'll check if Chris is availble next Sat

ScottyBoy · Feb 24th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

lol isn't that always the way

I'll check if Chris is availble next Sat

Ye it is.

I only had a tenner left in my empty pockets lol i shud off got it done with the laptop.

Cheers. If not then the moneys is getting wasted on fuel to go home which still aint a bad thing.

vikingboy · Feb 25th, 2008, 06:31 AM

Can anyone please tell me what I should expect power wise from my jcw 210 bhp please?
I had a rolling road power test and it came out at only 183 bhp at fly and and 160 bhp @ wheels!?
The car is otherwise running fine and as ive only had the car 3 weeks I dont have anything to benchmark it against.

Cheers

G

Paul Webster · Feb 25th, 2008, 07:17 AM

Wow that is low, but as you say you have to bench mark it against other S's on that dyno.

I presume they dont have any data from other S's?

Its one of two things, you went on a heartbreaker of a dyno or there is something wrong, where abouts in the country are you?

vikingboy · Feb 25th, 2008, 07:23 AM

Cheers for reply.
And nope they dont have any other S to compare so far, especially a works etc.

I am in East riding of Yorks.

quote=1320autos;3339603]Wow that is low, but as you say you have to bench mark it against other S's on that dyno.

I presume they dont have any data from other S's?

Its one of two things, you went on a heartbreaker of a dyno or there is something wrong, where abouts in the country are you?[/quote]

vikingboy · Feb 25th, 2008, 07:32 AM

Cheers for response,

should I be expecting at least 180 bhp @ wheels and over 210 @ fly?

Feb 24th, 2008, 04:34 PM	#1
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Low Power Output? Hey Guys. I was recently at the RR Shoot out at 1320's and while im happy with how my car drives im still left with the thought that from the Mods that i have im a little under powered. It came out at 210BHP and 179WHP, Previously i had 217BHP and they only thing changed was the Alta CAI to M7 AGS. I currently have GTT Intercooler & Snoot Boots Alta 15% S/C Pulley Alta 2% larger Crank Pulley M7 Air Gain System Janspeed Manifold JCW Exhaust JCW Remap NGK Plugs GTT Oil Catch Can Optimised Bypass Valve With these Mods id be expecting anything around 230BHP. I am happy with the car but when you have spent money on your car expecting something more its a little anoying. If Damo doesnt mind illpost his spec... 17% Alta V2 Pulley GRS Intercooler Alta CAI NGK Iridium Spark Plugs JCW 380cc Injectors Play MINI Cat Back Standard Manifold And that pulled out ... 238.3 Flywheel and 207 WHP Whats your Thoughts? Scott

Feb 24th, 2008, 04:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 1,939 Offline	Sound is a wonderfull thing, making more hp and trq is something else. Welcome to the world off R&D, I think that the others who purchased the M7AGS V1 V2 V3 probably found similar results otherwise this product would be sold today. If you look at Jans GP not only does the stock intake tube have pull in enough air for one of his heads it also has to deal with providing enough for a 2L as well, though this only relative to what rpm you're spinning the 2L or the 1.6 to. Remember to only change one thing at a time otherwise you'll loose the rabbit. Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 4,780 Offline	Check your bypass valve and for any leaks One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Feb 24th, 2008, 06:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 1,939 Offline	Did we connect the laptop up to yours Scotty? If we did PM me your Reg. Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 24th, 2008, 06:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 1,939 Offline	lol isn't that always the way I'll check if Chris is availble next Sat Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

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Feb 24th, 2008, 04:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	If i changed back to stock air intake, i doubt id find that extra 20bhp that id like paul? Maybe my Remap is not the best? i might get it re-flashed back to the Stock map.

Feb 24th, 2008, 04:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 731 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original) Hey Guys. I was recently at the RR Shoot out at 1320's and while im happy with how my car drives im still left with the thought that from the Mods that i have im a little under powered. It came out at 210BHP and 179WHP, Previously i had 217BHP and they only thing changed was the Alta CAI to M7 AGS. I currently have GTT Intercooler & Snoot Boots Alta 15% S/C Pulley Alta 2% larger Crank Pulley M7 Air Gain System Janspeed Manifold JCW Exhaust JCW Remap NGK Plugs GTT Oil Catch Can Optimised Bypass Valve With these Mods id be expecting anything around 230BHP. I am happy with the car but when you have spent money on your car expecting something more its a little anoying. If Damo doesnt mind illpost his spec... 17% Alta V2 Pulley GRS Intercooler Alta CAI NGK Iridium Spark Plugs JCW 380cc Injectors Play MINI Cat Back Standard Manifold And that pulled out ... 238.3 Flywheel and 207 WHP Whats your Thoughts? Scott I would expect yours to be at 230bhp too. Did you have a compression test and leakdown test done? This could highlight any loss in power. I was at 1320 a few weeks before the shootout and pulled 225bhp my spec is: JCW remap JCW cat back 380cc injectors NGK BKR 7EQUP plugs 15% pulley GP intercooler JCW air intake Also found out that my front wishbone bushes had gone as well which made it difficult to get a reading on the dyno. Regards James

Feb 24th, 2008, 04:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Alreet James. I havent but i may go back this saturday if paul has time as instead of paying £120 in Petrol to go home for the weekend i may go and give paul that money to sort it out! Im gunna fit the Standard Airbox this week sometime and then if i do go back then we'l see what the dyno says. Then if i sell the M7 thingy That could be another bit of cash for Paul. Paul can you fit me on Sat?

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 731 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original) Alreet James. I havent but i may go back this saturday if paul has time as instead of paying £120 in Petrol to go home for the weekend i may go and give paul that money to sort it out! Im gunna fit the Standard Airbox this week sometime and then if i do go back then we'l see what the dyno says. Then if i sell the M7 thingy That could be another bit of cash for Paul. Paul can you fit me on Sat? Its worth while doing as it settles your mind. Im glad I had mine done as I am in the process of trying to get the dealer to fit new rings to my engine!! Having read up on the compression test the operating window is quite large lower limit is 131psi and the upper limit is 196psi. So anywhere in this range the dealer would be happy with, but the key point is that maximum difference between cylinders is 7psi (0.5bar). So mine were all 150psi apart from cylinder 2 which was 135psi so a difference of 15psi!! Hope you get sorted Scott. Regards James P.S what did your boost pressure max out at? Could be s/c belt slipping

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	My boost gauge reads around 16-17 PSI on the road, i used to get 18PSI as the traction turned off as it does when you hit that and i havent been able to do this for a while, i am due a change on the belt i think im close to 10k on this one so ill get that done while im there!

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 731 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original) My boost gauge reads around 16-17 PSI on the road, i used to get 18PSI as the traction turned off as it does when you hit that and i havent been able to do this for a while, i am due a change on the belt i think im close to 10k on this one so ill get that done while im there! If you do go back on 1320 rolling road get Paul to plug the laptop in so that you can monitor the boost pressure on that as it will be more accurate, but at least you have an indication with your gauge that you are not boosting to what you have seen before.

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original) If you do go back on 1320 rolling road get Paul to plug the laptop in so that you can monitor the boost pressure on that as it will be more accurate, but at least you have an indication with your gauge that you are not boosting to what you have seen before. True... When i did hit 18PSI it was usally slightly wet and slippy everytime, would this make any difference to the dryer roads the past few weeks? i.e if i had any wheel slip or anything?

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 731 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original) True... When i did hit 18PSI it was usally slightly wet and slippy everytime, would this make any difference to the dryer roads the past few weeks? i.e if i had any wheel slip or anything? I would think it could have something to do with the wet road as when the wheels begin to spin the load it removed slightly so the rpm rises a lot quicker and maybe the boost pressure peaks slightly higher, but I am not sure at all thats just my thoughts. Maybe someone else may be able to comment on this Regards James

Feb 24th, 2008, 05:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) Check your bypass valve and for any leaks I have done. Last time was about 2 weeks ago when i fitted the M7 AGS, i took it off and checked it. Also i realigned it about 3 month before that.

Feb 24th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Nope we didnt this time which i guess we shud off now.

Feb 24th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original) lol isn't that always the way I'll check if Chris is availble next Sat Ye it is. I only had a tenner left in my empty pockets lol i shud off got it done with the laptop. Cheers. If not then the moneys is getting wasted on fuel to go home which still aint a bad thing.

Feb 25th, 2008, 06:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
vikingboy Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Power at wheels on 2005 jcw 210 bhp Can anyone please tell me what I should expect power wise from my jcw 210 bhp please? I had a rolling road power test and it came out at only 183 bhp at fly and and 160 bhp @ wheels!? The car is otherwise running fine and as ive only had the car 3 weeks I dont have anything to benchmark it against. Cheers G

Feb 25th, 2008, 07:17 AM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Webster MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 1,939 Offline	Wow that is low, but as you say you have to bench mark it against other S's on that dyno. I presume they dont have any data from other S's? Its one of two things, you went on a heartbreaker of a dyno or there is something wrong, where abouts in the country are you? Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it

Feb 25th, 2008, 07:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
vikingboy Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Cheers for reply. And nope they dont have any other S to compare so far, especially a works etc. I am in East riding of Yorks. quote=1320autos;3339603]Wow that is low, but as you say you have to bench mark it against other S's on that dyno. I presume they dont have any data from other S's? Its one of two things, you went on a heartbreaker of a dyno or there is something wrong, where abouts in the country are you?[/quote]

Feb 25th, 2008, 07:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
vikingboy Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 23 Offline	Low power Cheers for response, should I be expecting at least 180 bhp @ wheels and over 210 @ fly?

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