The argument is going round & round in circles on here with the tuners
1320 & RMW want to use 0-30 & the standard 0-60 along with RR figures as an indicator of performance.
GTT want to use 60-130
So why dont we have a new standard for performance testing?
0-130
Surely this covers both camps
Look forward to some videos, times etc, I will try to do one when the local runway is free - standard cooper S
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reality check req
i thought the mini was all about roundabouts, corners and such like
i admit i have spent a few quid chasing some extra ponies, with both GTT and 1320 so no axe to grind, very pleased with what both camps delivered
but i never set out looking to get better times between 100 and 130mph
i find it slightly irresponsible to encourage this sort of testing at these speeds, god forbid that anyone should end up in a wooden box for the sake of some forum willy waving
can we put this all to bed, every one has already acknowledged that the GTT 350 has set a fantastic benchmark, well done Roland pat on the back etc, but you are the guy who tells every one to avoid WOT in the higher gears on yours [and other supercharger] conversions,
can we all just move on, can i be the only one thinking this or am i completely missing the point here,
carefree
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10 of the best would the the best competition HTTP://WWW.tot.co.UK/what-is/, they have 3 disciplines to do and points are added accordingly.
This 'private road' thing for testings is a joke and we all know it!!!!! Ok we're all to blame at times for speed I'm sure, but sooner all later someone is going to get hurt or loose their licence and none of use want that
Roland I admire what you've achieved but a 10K conversion is out of most people's league. Lets get back to the supercharged conversions...................
Graham
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I think your missing the point, for ENGINE performance testing im saying use 30-100, 60-130 etc.
For tyre grip/launch control/driver skill etc testing use 0-30 0-60.
If you do a 0-130 you are just blurring the proportion of time thats due to engine performance with that due to engine performance.
As Lee says the average driver on average tyres using conventional gearchange is never going to match the times of a drag driver with tyres/launch control etc . BUT using 60-100etc the results will be amost identical whoever the driver and however grippy your tyres. In essence its hard to fudge anything , and you guys get to see whether your impressive bit of paper actually delivers decent acceleration .
i dout you will do 0 to 130 mph in 10 sec .going of fireballeds drag time.he went trough the trap at 126 mph in 10.6 or so i if remember rightly so to beat that you will need up the anty alot good look anway if you can beat the yanks at dragging i will take my hat off to you fella
Its not Hubie I'm worrying about its John and his low budget FWD Golf 0-133 in 10.6, made me look like I was in reverse
I've always wanted a 10 sec street car which can drive to the track and drive home, now though I want to be able to drive to the Pod run a 10 then drive to the Bedford Autodrome and scare some people there then drive home.
Then drop the kids off to school on Monday.
It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it
no way go back to s/c many have spent a lot of money on s/c i did not bother i just looked at gaphs or the area under the graphs to be more to the point i never saw a one where i thought thats will be quick.rr are very good for that as guide but too many people look at the peak power numbers and not what is going on.the peak number is not the most important its what you have when you come out of a corner that counts.that is my take on it feel free to disagree
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Roland I admire what you've achieved but a 10K conversion is out of most people's league. Let get back to the supercharged conversions...................
no way go back to s/c many have spent a lot of money on s/c i did not bother i just looked at gaphs
that is my take on it feel free to disagree
lee
my take on it is a lot of people, have spent a lot of money at gtt on supercharged conversions
hope your not suggesting that we have all wasted our money
i don't think roland could run a business on just 3 customers only, and i am not up for playing my wallets bigger than yours, so wind your neck in, if turbo was the future all this talk would be in the r56 forum
that is only my opinion, so feel free to disagree
More my cars faster than your car, nice to see a few others in the community getting as tired with this as I am
Why don't you all test this in exactly the same way that MINI have to test a car and report on it to its customers? Surely this is the industry standard rather than a made up one that shows your product in its best light?
I remember when it was all about bashing the JCW conversion, oh those were the days
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Turbo cars will always out accelerate most other forms off power adders, you only have to see how organising bodies add weight on them or limit the cubic capacity or even out right ban them (ask Hubie about that one) to even the field up.
Turbo cars are always slower at first due to them trying to maniuplate the power they have to the track, some racers have a handle on this some dont.
We all know and appreciate that turbo is the way to go but not all of us have 10k to spend on a conversion, most people will make the most of what they have and be satisfied with that.
Most people will measure there car on the dyno, thats why 20 people are turning up next Saturday at the Rolling Road to see how much horsepower & torrque they have in a safe environment.
Most people on here will take a trip up the strip at a Mini event this year again in a safe environment.
We will try and organise a Mini acceleration test event this year, hopefully will have some more news next week on this.
It's not how much you spend but how well you spend it
a turbo is slower at first?go on the mlr and say that.or are you just on about a front driver?so now you have gone H and S now.there thousands of laps driven on trackdays every week and no one to my knowledge has been killed or badly hurt.if i am wrong feel free to correct me.you are lot safer on a track day than a road that is fact.as for rr days if that what some want to do with there cars good luck to them each to there own.same with the drag strip good luck to them its just not what i think a mini is for but thats only my take on the car.but please spare me the H andS b******t.
lee
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Performance testing - a compromise 
carefree 
many have spent a lot of money on s/c i did not bother i just looked at gaphs or the area under the graphs to be more to the point i never saw a one where i thought thats will be quick.rr are very good for that as guide but too many people look at the peak power numbers and not what is going on.the peak number is not the most important its what you have when you come out of a corner that counts.that is my take on it feel free to disagree
