[Lucky Dave]

Im sorry DaFlake, I spent too much time reading the one line " It is extremely important that the customer is getting what he paid for"!!!!

TBH I doubt any supercharged S will hit the 280 even another claimed 280 car only hit 250ish recently

Saying that I was at some rollers a few months back and a mates mini did over 300 on the first run! Supercharged minis dont tend to roller very well, IMO, the run up time is never the same as on the road.

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Why is the rev limit 6100 on your graph for the 273 shop car Roland?

Why am I up on an idependant figure Roland... I'll explain (see I answer direct questions with direct answers, not more questions.)

Last year at surrey I turned up on a very, very cold day with a 30k mile Cooper S fitted with a 15% pulley and non iridium plugs (minispeed fitted the wrong ones ). On the day I made 167whp and 201bhp.

A few months later, after a leakdown and compression test I then fitted the following:
GP Intercooler
380cc JCW injectors
JCM Intake & ITG
NGK BKR7IEX plugs
JCW Cat back (no flat peice)

I then made 199.7 WHP and 234.5BHP on 1320's Rolling Road (with the rev limit set correctly ). Does that explain my figures?

I will return to Surrey RR the same time as before when the weather is comparable and see what the changes are ( I have fitted a Janspeed manifold & new clutch since as mine was on its way out).

As for everyone elses figures I'm sure your not naive to know forget 25-30 deg C and runs done in 5th aren't going to produce good figures.

Thank you please

so its a bit on the hot side so what.do you not drive your car when its hot ?.if it makes you happy go on the rollings pins in winter only so can get the best numbers.i think they call it quote me happy.

[batou]

I never said that, I just said they aren't going to be in the best conditions. I'm sure the turb's feeling the heat too dude

I went our for a fantastic blast in the sun yesterday and embarssed an R32 (old shape) we were one up on him too haha Great fun!

[DaFlake]

No worries Dave...

My point in all of this (temp or not) is that if you provide a dyno that is moderate (no noticeable flubbing) you will more than likely be believed. The biggest problem that I have with Karl posting the 280 figure is that he is basing it on "this part will give me a 6 bhp increase" thought process. The problem is that it really doesn't work that way. You can 't reliably tally up the numbers to get the mark where you car will hit. A part may give 6 bhp off the base but strapped on to a modified engine it will likely yield lower results. So, getting a dyno will let you know where you stand. The best way to do it is a controlled before and after giving you the increase between. Scientifically that is the only way that I can see really getting a solid number as you establish a base and can deduct from there.

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

I never said that, I just said they aren't going to be in the best conditions. I'm sure the turb's feeling the heat too dude

I went our for a fantastic blast in the sun yesterday and embarssed an R32 (old shape) we were one up on him too haha Great fun!

that what its all about fellatoo true old turbo does not like it this hot

lee

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Rickys car achieved 273 in the end (ie months later) , as he took it to another dastek tuner as he felt the first dastek stockist had not set it up right.(he was right)
At 273bhp our car of 3 years ago is still the highest on an independant RR. This is an important thing judging by the much lower results most are getting if/when they venture onto an independant RR. -And as I say was only our stage 2 heads not the 'top of the range' big valve heads you are comparing against.

Where is Ricky these days?

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

On top of that GTT cars do appear to be much more torquey than others....(eg my car, snowies etc) ...thats where it realy counts.eg My SC road car round CC ..1min 20sec, Big Show around 1min 36sec!
PS What were the results of the RR day yesterday?

If you pop over to the other site you'll be able to read the results for yourself. You'll also be able to read about how hot it got on the day Havin said that Graham who got to go into the unit when it was nice and cool got 259bhp using only 15psi! Now that's a result!

Especially when all the runs where done in 5th (if you read the thread you'll see that TDi North have never worked MINI's before so things where not done on a par experience wise with other rollers). Also worth noting that the fan was great for the front mounted intercooled car (GTi)

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Alski...And I will eat my hat if your car EVER produces 273bhp on an independant RR!!

Didn't Alski go elsewhere for his parts and got 1320 to road his car? Your happy enough to accept his figures on the same RR when his car was GTT only Way to go to alienate your customers again.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

ditto Big Show 282 on an independant RR.
Batou...your also 35 bhp down when on an independant RR at just 200bhp.
Forget the excuses guys 'oh I had a boost leak' ..where? or 'oh they sprayed water in the intake' .etc etc. just fix the leak, turn off the spray and do another run.
Im fed up with you guys doubting our figures when we are one of the only ones who have used independant RR's.
Ive never said Karls car is 280bhp, Karl has guessed it may be ,which hes entitled to do . Im of the opinion that around genuine 270 is about as much as that SC can flow air to generate, but who knows maybe 280 is squeezable. As I say it will get RR'd on a totally independant RR just prior to Karls GTT350 or even the new GTT400T which could be set to deliver upto 475bhp no doubt !!

A lot of your questions can be answered on the other site (as everyone was down on the day bar Graham who went first). The people who can answer your questions are not banned there.

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Why is the rev limit 6100 on your graph for the 273 shop car Roland?

Don't know what importance the rev limit is mate but thought it needed to be bigger as he's not listening.

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2 much (original)

the only real place to test a car is the 30 mph to 130 mph that is the test for power i keep asking jan to do this test as there is no way you can hide your true straight line power.no tricks in that test thats for sure. go on the MLR site and look up the 30 mph 130 mph thread and move on from the 1950 drag seen its way out of date.

Just been to TOTB today and they use 1/4 mile drag strip. If it is good enough for them it is good enough for me

Why do people not want to go on the drag strip? I am running stock runflat tyres and heavy S-spoke wheels and can still run 13.9.

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

On top of that GTT cars do appear to be much more torquey than others....(eg my car, snowies etc) ...thats where it realy counts.


Im fed up with you guys doubting our figures when we are one of the only ones who have used independant RR's.

I will post my graph for you. I think you will see it is an independant RR (same as snowie used) and I got more power on a lot hotter day and got the same torque figure with 15% pulley and stock crank pulley I will try and go back on a cold day so it is like for like. I am still using GP I/C and got some clipping so if I fitted a big top mount like yours (but I would go GRS) I would get about 6bhp more as I have tested this

[Damo]

Anyone got a link to GTT's 273bhp graph?

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Hi, can i ask which team/teams Roland worked for back in his Formula 1 days ?. And which drivers were in the team at the time ?.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Do you want to know which teams my engineering company made parts for , or Steves racing achievments.?, his highest level was on 2 wheels.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Both sound interesting . Yes i was wondering what teams, and what sort of parts. Was this a company you owned, or you worked for ?.

Is Steve one of your employee's at GTT ?.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Looks like my little question got overlooked with all the commotion that's been going on . Now that things have carmed down, I'd love to learn more about your F1 involvement . I've been following F1 for the past 24 seasons, so i must have seen some of your parts going round the track .

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Okay then, I'm starting to think that your trying to avoid answering the question now .

Roland i just don't understand it at all . If i was a MINI tuner who had previously worked in the world of F1, and advertised my company credentuals quoting my F1 experience, I'd be chomping at the bit to talk about it if someone asked me.

You've post umpteen times after i've asked questions, and you keep ignoring me . Apart from one time, where you asked whether i wanted to know exactly what i'd just asked you, LOL. I am begining to wonder if it isn't all a bit of a white lie TBH .

[batou]

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

Don't know what importance the rev limit is mate but thought it needed to be bigger as he's not listening.

Well its confusing because if the rpm to wheel speed is incorrect then the figures will be screwed and won't produce a correct result. I don't know of one Cooper S with a 6100rpm rev limit and I thought Rolands cars were either 7k or 7.5k...

This is the problem with some independant dynos, unless the operator knows mini's it's difficult to get a decent figure. I'll go to Surrey next time to get my before and after but even if my figure is lower at 1320 I'll go off 1320's dyno as Chris knows what hes doing!

What some people need to realise is 1320 DO NOT sell figures or promise HP, they recommend what they have tested to workon their car it's up to you wether you go that route or not. They are not selling Conversions or packages and are not a parts supplier as such, instead they are selling their service and their R&D to customers. Not once has Paul said "this will make XX" hp", I've seen whats worked on their car and guess what... it worked on mine too!

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

Just been to TOTB today and they use 1/4 mile drag strip. If it is good enough for them it is good enough for me

Why do people not want to go on the drag strip? I am running stock runflat tyres and heavy S-spoke wheels and can still run 13.9.

i think you will find that the evo boys run a very very competitive 30 mph to 130 mph day.as say you say if its good enough for them its good enough for you.try your car and put your time up as there is now a thread on mini torque you can put it on.

lee

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Well its confusing because if the rpm to wheel speed is incorrect then the figures will be screwed and won't produce a correct result. I don't know of one Cooper S with a 6100rpm rev limit and I thought Rolands cars were either 7k or 7.5k...

This is the problem with some independant dynos, unless the operator knows mini's it's difficult to get a decent figure. I'll go to Surrey next time to get my before and after but even if my figure is lower at 1320 I'll go off 1320's dyno as Chris knows what hes doing!

What some people need to realise is 1320 DO NOT sell figures or promise HP, they recommend what they have tested to workon their car it's up to you wether you go that route or not. They are not selling Conversions or packages and are not a parts supplier as such, instead they are selling their service and their R&D to customers. Not once has Paul said "this will make XX" hp", I've seen whats worked on their car and guess what... it worked on mine too!

Ditto.

Down to earth guys just like Graham (GRS). I have got time for these guys as they don't try to be sales people. You ask them questions and they will say it as it is.

[GRSmotorsport]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

PS What were the results of the RR day yesterday?

The results yesterday were......... I came top 258.8bhp/6797rpm (130mph), 205lbft/6137rpm. This was running ONLY 15.5psi of boost, Roland think your conversions are running 18psi? Yesterday was an extremely hot day too 23 degrees ambient

If I was running 17-18psi of boost, who knows what bhp I would get, 280bhpish I'm sure......

Proof and spec in the relevant section

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2 much (original)

i think you will find that the evo boys run a very very competitive 30 mph to 130 mph day.as say you say if its good enough for them its good enough for you.try your car and put your time up as there is now a thread on mini torque you can put it on.

lee

Can i ask what venue is used to do the 30-130 tests .

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Can i ask what venue is used to do the 30-130 tests .

RAF MARHAM NORFOLK

[SoggyCornFlakes]

Roland - a lot of folk's are saying your claims are overstated, a lot of people ask questions you've not answered, this threads is yet again becoming a farce which frankly ought to be deleted. So can you answer the questions please before posting any further claims, and maybe stick up some documentary evidence which will end the rumours that you're not quite tellig the whole tale. And others, let the man speak now and stop throwing stones

Thanks

PS - i'm no petrol head and don't give a **** what bhp you gain but I do get ****ed off with this forum becoming a my **** is bigger than yours argument and proving useless to those who genuinely would like useful performance information.

[Loui]

This thread is hilarious

[Revolution Mini Works]

Most interesting thread
Glad to see the mods pushing to get real numbers
I have been busy flying around the country each week tuning g cars on independent RR and it's amazing how many cars are making the same general numbers