[GTT 280]

Thread is closed now, it's getting boring again. Same old.

Cheers,
K.

[DaFlake]

Actually, I am going to open this again. There are questions that have been asked and not answered. If Roland doesn't feel like answering them a simple "no comment" will do but I do not think that it is fair to the rest of the forum for you to come in here and stir the pot only to close the thread when it doesn't go your direction.

[roland2003]

A) I wasnt closing the thread (its not mine)
B) Our figures are understated not over (eg GTT260 ...260-273bhp, or GTT350 391bhp etc)
C) I'll answer a question if and when I feel like it. Shouting gets zero answer everytime from me.
D) Our website states which F1 my companys (and Indy) made parts for (Yes MY company ,not a mere employee of someone elses company ...3 directors I was technical director). I lose track exactly of all Steves achievments but he was riding F1 on the bikes for 5 years.
E) We get more boost because our intercooler doesnt restrict and therefore lose boost. I have accurate measured results which I will put in GTT forum soon.. So why not try upping yours to 18psi then ...thats if you can get it actually achieve it, I think it wont, hence the importance of low pressure loss intercoolers with the SC setup. .
F) Da Flake you have in in for us/Karl in such a big and unjustified proportion, I just wont post on this thread again, if you have more questions too bad.

[DaFlake]

You have a choice to post in these threads or to not post. People asked questions and you ignored them. I have no problem with this but closing a thread because it doesn't go the direction you like is not how we operate the forum. I know that Karl closed it as he clearly stated that above. People are shouting because they have posted the question 3 or 4 times only to continue to be ignored. It is time for you company guys to start acting like a company and quit using us as a police force.

As for having it in for you, you couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are going to make claims across all of the threads and forums, you had better be ready to field questions that come from it. If you don't want to then post them in your forum only and police it yourself. We tried to police it all up and that didn't work so now we are going to try a new approach and leave it out there. That being said, I will not tollerate name calling. So, be polite and ask away. The choice is yours to retort or not. If you choose not to then that is your choice but if you make a claim that is clearly outlandish then have thick enough skin to deal with it.

Capische?

[minicabrio]

Well said Will....

Karl, if you're fed up with the same old comments and accusations, perhaps its time for a name change to 'GTT ???' until you have a dyno graph to back up anything different.

[alski]

re the big f1 debate [not that i am bothered on this one]

lewis hamilton had no f1 experience at the begining of last year, and he was pretty good,
if thats a poor example, i think colin chapman wasn't bad either although his road cars may have been based on the same princibles

tbf to all, the missing info is not to be found on the mini site, but on link below, i guess the site was wrote some time ago

ttp://www.gttuning.com/products.htm

is the 13 second 1/4 mile free t- shirt still on offer, to all gtt customers, i still count myself as one , or at least i was with 242 bhp and only gtt parts

[R99]

Well played Mods.

--- EDITED in order to add my feelings on the matter ---

I've watched from afar over the last few months, and slowly witnessed the E&DT section self implode.

It's no doubt damaged various individual reputations - be it of site sponsors [tuners] or otherwise. Some have been far more badly damaged in my eyes than others - and as a result I would never buy any products from one particular sponsor - but hey what does it matter I only own a ONE D, but maybe I will get that S one day!

One thing I will say is that many members have been alienated, and not just those who visit E&DT tuning - the arrival of various alternative MINI sites is by no means a coincidence - believe me!

Karl - I'm sorry, but before you started this thread there is no way that you could not have known about what had gone on within MINI2, especially the fact that many of the people who made the E&DT the place it was had been banned. (rightly or wrongly - I'm not getting into that)

To come on here and start a thread with what (IMHO) is a provocative title is tantamount solely to stirring the pot - especially unnecessary and foolish at a time when many bans have just been lifted and people are still feeling aggrieved about what has happened.

I'm just glad that nobody has responded in a rash manner, risking getting yet further bans - that's the last thing M2 needs right now!

I have to say though that to then try and close the thread when things backfired horribly was even worse, especially when there remains so many questions yet to be answered - answer the questions and prove the critics that the claims you continually make are, in fact, true and I guarantee that people will leave you alone.

When I first joined up, I always admired your car and hoped to see it at various events on the social calendar - sadly I've yet to see it, but I hope one day I might be able to see it.

I honestly do hope that when you do RR the car it makes numbers that you are happy with, after all looking at the GTT website you must have spent a small fortune. However I suspect that even if it doesn't you wont be too concerned, what with the proposal to migrate over to one of the GTT turbo packages.

If you think I have had a dig at you, then I'm sorry but that wasn't my intention.

Anyway - I think that's enough from me - again, Mods, if you think any of the above is too much then please PM me and I will happily edit my post.

Regards,

James.

[alski]

spot on james

pretty much what i said last week,

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-dr...ml#post3502880

but far better coming from your "non-tuned" perspective

this thread is all about perception, and how people see themselves and others, and how they respond to questions {or not} a view from the outside is always good

[R99]

Thanks - felt it was about time to speak my mind after being a spectator for so long......

[DaFlake]

James and all,

Let me go on the record here as a mod. In the past we were pulling posts that we "thought" would cause problems. In most cases this would be ok and things would just "go away". Well, we made a mistake and acted wrongly in the Tuning section and it was clear that all it did was make the forum look single sided. We are not... What we are is a community of MINI owners that want what is best for each other, heck, we mods do this for free. The bannings that happened were an attempt to quiet things. Did it work? Sure, but the cost was great and after a while we felt it was not acceptable and released most everyone on time served (two are serving shortened sentences). We also made some back end changes like posting a more in depth reason for the bans in the pits to help clarify why someone might be banned. We also are not going to be jumping straight to perm bans but rather evaluating the reason so that the ban fits the crime so to speak. These are all things that you, the users, have asked for from us. We are listening....

Now, everything that James posted is totally acceptable. I have no problems with asking questions. The only thing that I ask is that you keep it courteous much like this thread has been going. The idea is to ask people things how you would want to be ask and not bait anyone into an argument. Posts like that will go as it serves no purpose and will be removed as this is not Fight Club. If you users are willing to go that route then we mods will follow suit and we can have an even/equal community again.

For those that were banned for asking questions.... This is not going to happen again, so please feel free to come back and post up.

We swept up and the egg shells are gone.

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

A) I wasnt closing the thread (its not mine)

I think everyone knows that with Karl's post

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

B) Our figures are understated not over (eg GTT260 ...260-273bhp, or GTT350 391bhp etc)

Yet other cars on independant Dyno's have got less power that your understatement. This may be down to some cars being "Friday" cars however. The only safe thing to do is stay away from figures altogether, but then that isn't necessarly good 'marketing'

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

C) I'll answer a question if and when I feel like it. Shouting gets zero answer everytime from me.

'Shouting' on a forum makes me laugh. I appreciate that people writing in CAPS LOCK can be seen that way sometimes, but when your ignoring peoples legitamate questions what to you expect? Your the first to complain when your questions are not answered when querying someones results. I think some larger font maybe appropriate just to ensure you've not missed it. Shouting indeed.

Still no response on this rev limit question. I haven't a clue about how these dyno's work and what this reduced limit could mean, but your avoidence of answering the 6100rpm limit question makes things very suspicious at the very least. I asked to see a copy of the Dyno graoh to see it myself but no one was able to show me it. Also interested to know why if it is rev'd only to 6100rpm why when its a good 900rpm below the standard red line.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

D) Our website states which F1 my companys (and Indy) made parts for (Yes MY company ,not a mere employee of someone elses company ...3 directors I was technical director). I lose track exactly of all Steves achievments but he was riding F1 on the bikes for 5 years.

I haven't paid much attention to your site to be honest mainly as everything I need is posted on MINI2 in one way or another. Well done on any F1 achievements but still don't think it answered Hyper's question.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

E) We get more boost because our intercooler doesnt restrict and therefore lose boost. I have accurate measured results which I will put in GTT forum soon.. So why not try upping yours to 18psi then ...thats if you can get it actually achieve it, I think it wont, hence the importance of low pressure loss intercoolers with the SC setup.

I look forward to seeing these test results as if your trying to say Graham's Chargecooler is losing him boost, then why does everyone elsed get 17-18psi using a GRS inter/chargecooler. Even I can see your end tank design is far from the best when it comes to ensureing a smooth flow. I know of a few (and one personally) of a GTT tuned car with a GRS intercooler running 17-18psi. The reason his boost is so low (and I suspect you know this) is the excellent work Ray West has done with the head etc (or whoever does the work for west). However I'm sure Alski will happily let Graham test his GTT intercooler next time they meet up to see if he gains boost (he can measure it both with his Spa guage and the scanguage.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

F) Da Flake you have in in for us/Karl in such a big and unjustified proportion, I just wont post on this thread again, if you have more questions too bad.

Now this has to be the worst part of your reply. Again Roland (and Karl to now) your posts are your own worst enemy. It was not to long ago when Daflake was standing up for you. If Jan was on here talking about how he beat a Lambo, I'm sure you'd be the first to be calling him on it and Daflake would be doing the same.

I'll be watching the GTT forum closly for these intercooler results.

[R99]

Thanks for the response Will -

I thought what I had posted would be O.K, and it obviously is, so seems to me that I have the correct understanding of what is and isn't allowed.

[Lucky Dave]

Please can somebody tell me why the JCW 210 conversion is not being called in for proof?

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

Please can somebody tell me why the JCW 210 conversion is not being called in for proof?

Would you really think Mike Cooper or anyone from BMW is going to come on here and reply. Fact is few of the JCW cars get 210. However quite a few GP's have.

Friday car syndrome I think again. And to think Graham's car is a Friday car

Besides haven't people come on and said why is my JCW not producing the power its supposed to? I know my mates JCW didn't get 210

[Lucky Dave]

Maybe I should remove the rear seats (GP like) then the engine can read your boot badge better!

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

Please can somebody tell me why the JCW 210 conversion is not being called in for proof?

Because it is MINI and they don't care or post here. This has been addressed in the past. MINI will rate a car at what they can but there is little that we can do about. It is called marketing... MINI is also not on here boasting figures over and over. Lastly, most folks know that their chances of hitting that number with JCW is far out as it is marketing.

Now, cut to people boasting claims openly here (any sponsor) to try and generate business (I think that it is safe to say that most of the motorheads here would not go the JCW route as we want more power) and folks want to know where their money is going to be spent. What is wrong with that?

[Lucky Dave]

So if I posted my GTT 210 kit pulled 252 at an independant RR day would I be flamed?

I to would of not believed it, good job Loui and Wibbly were there to see it!

Additionaly as I was in disbelief I book into the as was AMD and without an air feed to the intercooler it managed 220 bhp all day long.

[DaFlake]

No, congratulated actually. Not every engine is the same and some will respond better to changes than others. Sure they are getting tighter and closer in spec but each will act a little differently. Some parts could actually cause a loss in power. It just all depends on the engine. It sounds like you have a strong engine and that is a good thing.

There have been folks that have congratulated Roland on several things but all of that gets lost when garbage is posted. I like his brakes and I'll eat some crow and say that I like his strut bar as well (one piece design is awesome). However, all that is pointless if he or others are going to come on here and make claims then try and walk away without explanation. Trade secrets? Sure, no problem but just state that and move on. F1 experience? Could be nothing more than providing clip boards for the day… How do we know? As a business you have to be ready to answer to your clients. People are asking and as a person that knows advertising (my family is heavily in it as well as marketing) you don’t put anything out there that you can’t back and you don’t openly lie as it will come back to haunt you.

Like I said, "Let's get real”! I am not going to hold users accountable for asking legit questions.

[alski]

[quote=Lucky Dave;3509886]So if I posted my GTT 210 kit pulled 252 at an independant RR day would I be flamed?

i did with my 242 from a gtt 220
the dyno was independent as far as i was concerned as my parts were fitted by a competitor

but only later after i had the cheek to fit some non-gtt parts did i discover it was now all of a sudden on an over optimistic dyno lol

wonderful thing the internet it allows you to check back, whats been said, by whom and when
you would think that it would help avoid arguments....