[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 280 (original)

I am not refusing to backup anything. Please let me know when i have refused. I have said many many times that i will gladly RR my car, and will be before and after my 475bhp mod. It's just a bit difficult when i am out of the country working. There is a lot of jealousy around here. I guess money is the route of all evil!!! (say that with a little finger in the corner of the mouth! - goldmember in case any is wondering what the ???)

K.

Right last one before I get some sleep


475bhp? What does this have that the shop car doesn't? Is this going to be a new edition to the range the 450T?

[Damo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

You know you want my car Damo, the stock one that shocks people at the dyno

Stealth but to much chrome for my liking, I'll have your engine though But then this time next year I hope I've got at least the same head on mine

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

Stealth but to much chrome for my liking, I'll have your engine though But then this time next year I hope I've got at least the same head on mine

chrome hater lol

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

I will put Karls car on a totally independant RR just prior to the turbo conversion.
The same one that JCW210's produce approx 195bhp on, and the same same day as mine produced 270bhp (240whp) in front of 30 Mini owners (inc Graham GRS) 3 years ago.
And that was just our stage 2 head not the stage 4.
I think you guys are being realy unfair to Karl (again). So what if the Lambo driver wasnt giving it all....its no big deal , guys , hes not come on here and said 'your car is pants and mines so much better'
On a side note we had a GTT260 in a couple of weeks ago that has been fitted over 3 years ago with, its done many trackdays (inc Nurberg). In fact its been so good and trouble free I had forgotten we had done this one.

Unfair? How? He comes on here touting all these claims of power and speed (let's forget the law breaking for now) yet has given not one bit of proof. Please, a lambo? How daft do you take us for....You guys have been asked by many and "claimed" that you are going to post numbers on your product over and over. It is a line that we are all getting a bit tired of hearing to be honest and I am losing a great deal of faith myself. I have backed you guys for a long time but I think this is about the end of that sadly.

Many of the people here will support and back you provided that you step up and actually back the claims that you are openly making. If you aren't going to do it quit being so public about it. Honestly, I am getting tired of it and as I mentioned it could be considered nothing more than pot stirring and trollish.

You guys complain when people jump on you and question you but the previous comments are nothing but painting a target on you for the purpose of getting that very reaction.

[alski]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 280 (original)

Hi all.

Just dropping in to see what revelations have occured while i have been away

Anything jaw dropping?

(i've been having fun in Anglesey - damn, their tarmac is good !!!!!!)

Cheers,
K.

don't be a stranger Karl,

and don't throw your toys out the pram, if some one questions your "achievements" i find your posts funny rather than irksome
just be careful with the bull,
to start a thread with "whats been happing" will come across as stirring, [have you been on mars]
then suggest you spent the last couple of months beating up a track in wales [think they have internet even in wales]
and to then imply your too busy with work to rolling road your car, just looses you credibility
all in the same post :
i for one am not jealous of 6hp and good luck if you ever find out if you have more

to put the lambo in context, a nova and a corsa driver are now swapping storeys in halfords of how they kept up with a silver mcs with some smart e-bay Porsche brake covers and a aftermarket exhaust

Roland you need to take a step back as well, with so many other 260 + conversions flying around, you need stop trying to be Karl's human shield or your credibility ends up being knocked by association

70% of my tuning spend has been with gtt so its not vendor bashing, to say that Karl
comes across as someone who's head is too big for their helmet

[roland2003]

Its just awful on here, same people making the same unfriendly posts.

Forget all the power figures on Tuners own RR and just count the independant runs and most of the big hitters drop 30bhp. . Not so the GTT cars though:-
Ant FR has a GTT260 and he took it on an independant RR and got exactly 260, so how can you say we dont proove anything. Snowies car independant RR =260bhp ,My car again on independant RR =270&273bhp. Lees car GTT350T =391 bhp on independant RR.
My car (SC & road legal) =1min 20 sec round CC, My car (turbo) 1min 18 sec round CC,
My car 60-130mph 8.9 secs on video. Lees car round Donnington= 1min 20 (iirc)
No we dont expect GTT260 to be unreliable, we just expect it to come in once a year for belt change or service, this car went 3 years with just one (mailorder) belt.
Regarding beating a road legal Lambo, Im fairly confident I could beat one (not just equal it) in my GTT350T around most tracks. Crikey I could beat GT3's in my 1400cc R5 round CC.
Alski ..When are you going to put your car on an independant RR ?

[Bhozar]

The problem is Karl comes across as a shill and a troll. Perhaps its just his mannerisms, rather than him overtly being a shill/troll.

Most of the people doubt his fantastic claims would be the first to admit that the GTT turbo car is an achievement, as backed up by rolling roads and impressive track times.

Some bloke who guesses a number and says he beats a superchar; less likely to be believed.

Until he gets himself on a track where any MINI owner has set a time, on the 1/4 mile or on a dyno, then no one will ever believe him.

As Damo said, if you go on a rolling road day with other MINI owners you can tell if all the cars are reading high or low.

You make it sound like 1320 would fudge t he figures with GTT cars by harping on about it being a big deal for an independent rolling road to be used, rather than 1320's. If that's true, Alski is going to have a shock when he finds out how much more BHP he really has. Seriously, if that was true, I doubt Alski would have got the BHP on the 1320 rollers that he has. Its good enough for Roland to quote Alski figures, after all.

[roland2003]

Yes put alskis car on an independant RR and see what it is now
Why is he a shill/troll just because hes pleased as punch with his car and wants to share his pleasure on M2? Both Karl and myself resent you saying this as is completly untrue.
Why the big deal about calling himself GTT280, its his choice , we dont do a GTT280 ,its all pretty harmless, no worse than BigShows '300bhp and counting;' wording as part of his signature, when the most that I'm aware of hes ever got on an independant RR was 263bhp and 248bhp (flywheel figures)

[Bhozar]

BigShows pee taking sig was as as reaction to the ever increasing number after Karl's name.

248 was with a boost leak, so cant really count that one.

It may be completely untrue that hes a shill, but that's how it comes across. He is a troll. So often he has tried to incite trouble, and then act all Innocent once he has stirred the pot.

Come on Roland, take a step back and have a look. Try seeing what it looks like from another point of view. I don't doubt its a fast car and I don't doubt it will have similar power to your SC car, BigShows, Alski and others of the big hitters, but until the day its tested and proved no one will ever believe it.

You don't see anyone doubting everything that Lee says about the turbo conversion. In one of his reviews he was having problems with a Porsche GT3. Shame he didn't have Karl's car on the track then, as it can keep with a Lambo. Does really add up.

[alski]

confused .cot com
my car was 100% gtt 220 package + gtt intercooler and milteck rolling road-ed at 242 bhp
you were happy to take credit for that,
so then i add,
ported head, extra large exhaust valves [even bigger than the gtt ones] + janspeed manifold, same "big" injectors you use + a 1320 tune
and you feel i have [or 1320] have "bigged" up my figures for an extra 30ish bhp
and you post GTT Stage 4 Head ..50bhp increase?

i think i may have a little more credibility to give an objective view as i have used more than one tuner to achieve my figure, same ball park as you did just by porting the head?
yet you are suggesting fudged figures by me, and i have had more mods, and a better supercharger, newer engine

just for the record plenty have posted and offered to pay for Karl to RR his car, i am happy to take mine here
Thorney Motorsport Thorney Motorsport Tuning
as they are local and independent if someone else is paying

PS i am also humble enough to post who has past me on a track day, so not an obvious boaster, and more often than not underplay whats under my hood

[roland2003]

....Your exhaust valves are smaller than the Shrick ones we use, we also open up the throat 5mm in diameter (the area just behind the valve head). The head you have is considerably smaller in both areas than that.
I did politly ask where the leak was on Big Shows car but never saw the reply, still even 263bhp is not 283bhp.

[alski]

Thorney Motorsport Our Dyno Cell

if you know a better one let me know,

happy to meet karl here as well

your assuming incorrectly they are ultrick ones,
nope according to lohen mines bigger than yours honest

[alski]

Lohen.co.uk - Track & Fast Road Performance for your New Mini - Online Shop

Ported Heads with enlarged valves from Schrick
For those aiming to get the absolute maximum or simply want the best possible performance from their MINI we would recommend increasing the valve sizes. This is where our ported heads with enlarged valves come in! These performance heads get the same attention as our ported heads (as described in the above section) plus we look after the valves and valve seats.

Once again addressing the exhaust side gives you the most benefits, we remove the standard valves (23.3mm) and replace them with larger Schrick valves (26.0mm). New valve seats are cut and the ports are matched, as a nice little benefit you will get a further 14% increase in airflow with a standard camshaft (compared to a ported head).

The inlet valves are once again from Schrick. Although the gains aren’t as dramatic as on the exhaust side, further improvements will be found when changing to a performance camshaft.

We have found the following increases in flow with our ported head with enlarged valves compared to the standard head.

Flow Gains at ‘Xmm’ Valve Lift:

8mm – Standard Camshaft
Inlet – 4.2% Exhaust – 41.6%

9mm – Performance Camshaft
Inlet – 8.9% Exhaust – 44.5%

[alski]

you can see why i never spent on the inlet side from lohens info, put my money into the newman cam, which i understand you intend to supply soon

forgot to add the cam, in my massive 30 hp gain boast

[roland2003]

Throats are almost certainly still smaller, we open up throat (behind the exhaust valve) a full 5mm, impossible to do this op manually (very tricky CNC milling op, not to be confused with CNC opening the ex ports where the manifold bolts on) . The valves themselves you have then are not bigger but the same size (26mm) .If you measure up the internal diameter of the ex valve seat, as I say I think youll find we are a typ 2mm bigger , even when using these very good Shrick 26mm Exhaust valves.

[batou]

Can you quit harping on about 1320 fudging figures on their dyno Roland it is defamatory.

Chris runs the dyno almost as a seperate business and it woud be business sucide to fake figures as we'd all figure him out!!! I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about what your saying!

Incidentally they are very modest compared to some Rolling roads who add a 50-70bhp as a drivetrain loss!! Most non mini independants don't know how to calculate figures. Considering the dangers of RR's I'd rather have mine done by someone I trust, knows what their doing and knows when to abort!

[alski]

am i being daft? it would have been in 1320 intrest for me to run 220, not 242

so still confused, was my 240+bhp a fluke? should it have been 230+ [ as your gtt230 kit] or are you suggesting even less for your own product ? remember this is facelift mini with better supercharger + maps etc, + a better flowing miltek exhaust, how far short are you prepared to sell yourself ?

or are you saying is it impossible for any tuner other than yourself to gain more than 30 bhp from a
cam
manifold,
ported head with bigger exhuast valves
bigger injectors and a tune ?

[roland2003]

All Im saying is in most instances the highest figure comes from that RR, this is confirmed on BigShows BHP league table which you can see lists that RR at the top far more than any other . I know its a popular RR, but even so most people have been on at least one other RR , and as you can see is rarely the bhp figure put forward.
Just to make this very clear once and for all ...'.I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHINGS FUDGED, BUT (fact) THAT IN MOST CASES ACHIEVES THE HIGHER FIGURE WHEN MORE THAN ONE RR IS USED.
Anyway, hope Daves having a good open day at Think Mini, alot of people going I think..
..over and out.

[Rigsey]

I have a 90% GTT car (GTT220 + GTT Manifold + re-route pipe + GRS IC) which was dynoed at 1320 on the same day as Alski's.

It made 232 bhp with shagged wheel spacers - I'd like to think there is a bit more now they are removed as the vibration on the rollers was scary (spotted by Paul and Chris freom 1320).

I'm more interested in torque personally, mine made 192 at 4000 ish rpm.

Therefore I'd say 1320 rollers are spot on Roland even for GTT cars

Also, have you seen Alski's cylinder head as I believe its not an RMW head but its a one off?

[mikeythemini]

Well having had a Lambo in the shop for a couple of weeks....



I can confirm that My Mini will beat one in both power and performance