[GTT 280]

Guilty until proved Innocent !!!

[alski]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

So if this is a suddgested vendor rigging power issue why flame the car owner?

If you treated and employee like this it would be constructive dissmissal

think your missing the point, it cant be called vendor rigging as know one knows actually what Karl's car is pulling, even he is clueless [ sorry ]
put it this way, if all those clever guys in japan cannot tell me whats in the tin [ ie hp] on a fresh off the line GTR
what hope [with all due respect] have Karl and Roland,
its not as if their is not even a base line dyno to project from,
was the car good or poor b4 they started modding it?
flame me if you must but just calling a spade a spade chaps, and good luck if he has 285+

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

So if this is a suddgested vendor rigging power issue why flame the car owner?

If you treated and employee like this it would be constructive dissmissal

It all verges on rule number 4

"4. Last but not least my favorite. Leveling bogus claims against another user or sponsor. - It is not acceptable to say that a sponsor or user is doing something false or incorrect unless you were there and have proof. In the past we have seen claims that range in severity and to be honest it is just an ignorant and childish knee jerk because you have nothing better to say. Best just to not say anything at all. It, like number 3, will not be tolerated by me."

He is the one that we think is leveling the bogus claim and we are calling him on it. Race and beat a Lambo? 280? All we are asking for is for him to back it up with a little independant proof. If anything rule number 4 could have been used during the tuner wars and there would have been a lot more bans....

The idea is to make this forum more banter like but in a realistic tuning way. An old saying comes to mind...

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen....

This is not hard, just back up your claims. He makes 280 and everyone here will back off for sure.

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaFlake (original)

He is the one that we think is leveling the bogus claim and we are calling him on it. Race and beat a Lambo? 280? All we are asking for is for him to back it up with a little independant proof. If anything rule number 4 could have been used during the tuner wars and there would have been a lot more bans....

The idea is to make this forum more banter like but in a realistic tuning way. An old saying comes to mind...

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen....

This is not hard, just back up your claims. He makes 280 and everyone here will back off for sure.

in all fairness as far as i know there has not been RR day where a s/c mini has made 280 bhp please correct me if i am wrong.like you say independant proof you are asking karl to provide is something that i have not seen off anyone to date.please spare me the customer tuner in house RR figures.


lee

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2 much (original)

in all fairness as far as i know there has not been RR day where a s/c mini has made 280 bhp please correct me if i am wrong.like you say independant proof you are asking karl to provide is something that i have not seen off anyone to date.please spare me the customer tuner in house RR figures.


lee

This may be true but I have not seen a GTT S/C mini produce more than 260bhp on a RR day so could this be the reason everyone has called him on it?

[roland2003]

Well my car with stage 2 head made 270bhp (238whp) on a RR day with about 20 other Minis present who all saw it with their own eyes. Graham GRS was there, a couple of JCW210's made 190-195bhp as a ref, and the second place car got just 235bhp.
Oh it was an independant RR too.
So AFAIK GTT car is not only the highest independant bhp figure but did so on a RR day aswell with everyone watching !

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

This may be true but I have not seen a GTT S/C mini produce more than 260bhp on a RR day so could this be the reason everyone has called him on it?

if people are that adament that karl has not got 280 then to me they know its not possible to get a real 280 bhp out of the s/c set up in its current state.i have not any seen s/c mini in this country make 280 bhp on an independant RR not just gtt or bbr.iirc gtt made 270 bhp and 273 bhp and bbr made 270bhp or so.on a nice hot day you will have less power than nice cold day so what is the big hang up with RR numbers?after all that what they are just numbers.

[roland2003]

...Oh and 'RickyS' whose not on here anymore he had a GTT260 (again only the stage 2 head not the higher spec stage 4) ..he got 273 bhp from his car on a independant RR, I wasnt even there !

[Hyper Active]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Hi, can i ask which team/teams Roland worked for back in his Formula 1 days ?. And which drivers were in the team at the time ?.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Anyone know the answer to this ?.

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Do you want to know which teams my engineering company made parts for , or Steves racing achievments.?, his highest level was on 2 wheels.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Both sound interesting . Yes i was wondering what teams, and what sort of parts. Was this a company you owned, or you worked for ?.

Is Steve one of your employee's at GTT ?.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hyper Active (original)

Looks like my little question got overlooked with all the commotion that's been going on . Now that things have carmed down, I'd love to learn more about your F1 involvement . I've been following F1 for the past 24 seasons, so i must have seen some of your parts going round the track .

Okay then, I'm starting to think that your trying to avoid answering the question now .

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Well my car with stage 2 head made 270bhp (238whp) on a RR day with about 20 other Minis present who all saw it with their own eyes. Graham GRS was there, a couple of JCW210's made 190-195bhp as a ref, and the second place car got just 235bhp.
Oh it was an independant RR too.
So AFAIK GTT car is not only the highest independant bhp figure but did so on a RR day aswell with everyone watching !

That was your shop car and I don't see how the stage 4 head is worth 10bhp over the stage 2 head. I would be made up if Karl's made 280bhp as it would be the 2nd most powerful s/c mini we know of.

I have made 270bhp at a RR day as well so I have matched your shop car power with less mods.

For me though the only real place to test the power of your car if you are bothered is up the strip. Measure the weight of your car and calculate it from the terminal speed. I have done this and it come out all on 270bhp. I am happy with this as it backs up my RR figures.

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2 much (original)

if people are that adament that karl has not got 280 then to me they know its not possible to get a real 280 bhp out of the s/c set up in its current state.i have not any seen s/c mini in this country make 280 bhp on an independant RR not just gtt or bbr.iirc gtt made 270 bhp and 273 bhp and bbr made 270bhp or so.on a nice hot day you will have less power than nice cold day so what is the big hang up with RR numbers?after all that what they are just numbers.

It is possible to get 280bhp with the S/C.I could fit a GRS I/C (I have seen 6bhp difference over GP I/C)and a milltek exhaust(10bhp diff over stock) and be at 280-285 with my car but I like the stock look and don't like a noisy exhaust.

There is no big hang up on RR figures, people post their power made with mods. But people cannot estimate the power they think they have with certain parts as every mini is different.

[Jaw_F430]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

...Oh and 'RickyS' whose not on here anymore he had a GTT260 (again only the stage 2 head not the higher spec stage 4) ..he got 273 bhp from his car on a independant RR, I wasnt even there !

Here are his figures:


255.5BHP/220LBFT or 189WHP with 66.5BHP Loss


Graph included, well happy !

Worth noting this is using the dastek unichip,standard exhaust(dropped the milltek ),and a rev limit of 7200RPM also 20.5PSI@7150RPM of boost

Here is the finale spec!

Dastek unichip.
GTT Top mount Intercooler
GTT Big valve cyl head (stage 3)
GTT 18% pulley
GTT idler & twin tensioner pulleys
GTT Induction kit
Schrick Cam
GTT Exhaust Header
GTT 63mm Throttle Body
Modifyed Bypass Valve,Inlet Manifold & intercooler Snoots
JCW Injectors
2X GTT Oil Catch Cans (1 for each rocker breather)
Samco induction hose & SFS blue coolant Hoses


Stage 4 head must be worth 18BHP here

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

That was your shop car and I don't see how the stage 4 head is worth 10bhp over the stage 2 head. I would be made up if Karl's made 280bhp as it would be the 2nd most powerful s/c mini we know of.

I have made 270bhp at a RR day as well so I have matched your shop car power with less mods.

For me though the only real place to test the power of your car if you are bothered is up the strip. Measure the weight of your car and calculate it from the terminal speed. I have done this and it come out all on 270bhp. I am happy with this as it backs up my RR figures.

the only real place to test a car is the 30 mph to 130 mph that is the test for power i keep asking jan to do this test as there is no way you can hide your true straight line power.no tricks in that test thats for sure. go on the MLR site and look up the 30 mph 130 mph thread and move on from the 1950 drag seen its way out of date.

[batou]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Well my car with stage 2 head made 270bhp (238whp) on a RR day with about 20 other Minis present who all saw it with their own eyes. Graham GRS was there, a couple of JCW210's made 190-195bhp as a ref, and the second place car got just 235bhp.
Oh it was an independant RR too.
So AFAIK GTT car is not only the highest independant bhp figure but did so on a RR day aswell with everyone watching !

Saw that thread, how come your cars rev limit was 6100rpm on the graph? Thats lower than standard?!

Saw Jaw dug out Rickys real figures, it wasn't what you said. Even then it wasn't even anywhere 255bhp as 66bhp dt loss is....a lot.... I'd be ripping it apart if its losing that much. Mine put out more whp that that and I'm on the stock head!!!!

[alski]

this thread needs sticking on the back burner, i will eat my hat if we see a non turbo gtt car go above 270, over the next few weeks, some one call me if it happens

[roland2003]

Rickys car achieved 273 in the end (ie months later) , as he took it to another dastek tuner as he felt the first dastek stockist had not set it up right.(he was right)
At 273bhp our car of 3 years ago is still the highest on an independant RR. This is an important thing judging by the much lower results most are getting if/when they venture onto an independant RR. -And as I say was only our stage 2 heads not the 'top of the range' big valve heads you are comparing against.
On top of that GTT cars do appear to be much more torquey than others....(eg my car, snowies etc) ...thats where it realy counts.eg My SC road car round CC ..1min 20sec, Big Show around 1min 36sec!
PS What were the results of the RR day yesterday?
Alski...And I will eat my hat if your car EVER produces 273bhp on an independant RR!!
ditto Big Show 282 on an independant RR.
Batou...your also 35 bhp down when on an independant RR at just 200bhp.
Forget the excuses guys 'oh I had a boost leak' ..where? or 'oh they sprayed water in the intake' .etc etc. just fix the leak, turn off the spray and do another run.
Im fed up with you guys doubting our figures when we are one of the only ones who have used independant RR's.
Ive never said Karls car is 280bhp, Karl has guessed it may be ,which hes entitled to do . Im of the opinion that around genuine 270 is about as much as that SC can flow air to generate, but who knows maybe 280 is squeezable. As I say it will get RR'd on a totally independant RR just prior to Karls GTT350 or even the new GTT400T which could be set to deliver upto 475bhp no doubt !!

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by alski (original)

this thread needs sticking on the back burner, i will eat my hat if we see a non turbo gtt car go above 270, over the next few weeks, some one call me if it happens

call me when when we see this rmw 280 bhp s/c car as its been on the rollers again and got no were near the 280 bhp again.whats that was that quote a tuner used on this site its not how much you spend its what you spend it on.i will ad my take on that .its not how much you spend its where you spend it.

lee

[Lucky Dave]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2 much (original)

call me when when we see this rmw 280 bhp s/c car as its been on the rollers again and got no were near the 280 bhp again.whats that was that quote a tuner used on this site its not how much you spend its what you spend it on.i will ad my take on that .its not how much you spend its where you spend it.

lee

I will be chasing that said 280 striped out car round a track very soon with my gtt220 so that may be fun!

[2 much]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

I will be chasing that said 280 striped out car round a track very soon with my gtt220 so that may be fun!

yes you are write it will be good fun down that big long straight on bedford.you will have no chance after all you are in a lot less powerd car well if certain RR would have you believe

lee

[batou]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Rickys car achieved 273 in the end (ie months later) , as he took it to another dastek tuner as he felt the first dastek stockist had not set it up right.(he was right)
At 273bhp our car of 3 years ago is still the highest on an independant RR. This is an important thing judging by the much lower results most are getting if/when they venture onto an independant RR. -And as I say was only our stage 2 heads not the 'top of the range' big valve heads you are comparing against.
On top of that GTT cars do appear to be much more torquey than others....(eg my car, snowies etc) ...thats where it realy counts.eg My SC road car round CC ..1min 20sec, Big Show around 1min 36sec!
PS What were the results of the RR day yesterday?
Alski...And I will eat my hat if your car EVER produces 273bhp on an independant RR!!
ditto Big Show 282 on an independant RR.
Batou...your also 35 bhp down when on an independant RR at just 200bhp.
Forget the excuses guys 'oh I had a boost leak' ..where? or 'oh they sprayed water in the intake' .etc etc. just fix the leak, turn off the spray and do another run.
Im fed up with you guys doubting our figures when we are one of the only ones who have used independant RR's.
Ive never said Karls car is 280bhp, Karl has guessed it may be ,which hes entitled to do . Im of the opinion that around genuine 270 is about as much as that SC can flow air to generate, but who knows maybe 280 is squeezable. As I say it will get RR'd on a totally independant RR just prior to Karls GTT350 or even the new GTT400T which could be set to deliver upto 475bhp no doubt !!

Why is the rev limit 6100 on your graph for the 273 shop car Roland?

Why am I up on an idependant figure Roland... I'll explain (see I answer direct questions with direct answers, not more questions.)

Last year at surrey I turned up on a very, very cold day with a 30k mile Cooper S fitted with a 15% pulley and non iridium plugs (minispeed fitted the wrong ones ). On the day I made 167whp and 201bhp.

A few months later, after a leakdown and compression test I then fitted the following:
GP Intercooler
380cc JCW injectors
JCM Intake & ITG
NGK BKR7IEX plugs
JCW Cat back (no flat peice)

I then made 199.7 WHP and 234.5BHP on 1320's Rolling Road (with the rev limit set correctly ). Does that explain my figures?

I will return to Surrey RR the same time as before when the weather is comparable and see what the changes are ( I have fitted a Janspeed manifold & new clutch since as mine was on its way out).

As for everyone elses figures I'm sure your not naive to know forget 25-30 deg C and runs done in 5th aren't going to produce good figures.

Thank you please