[benggolf]

Came across this post at Mini Cooper USA forum. Unfortunately the report is in German. Any German speaking poster than can help with translation?

TIA!

Digi-Tec Tuning - Test Report

[Grinder]

Yeah, where are all you German speakers?? This looks too good to be true!! I've browsed their site with an online translator but i cant make much headway...

[SnakePhil]

Hello!

Why wanna boost Cooper S ? My Mini One will be tuned upto 220bhp for EUR 6 000 this december by a austrian company called "DULLINGER PERFORMANCE".

Tuning the Cooper S is very costly as the engine itself has to get modyfied and you loose all waranty. DONT DO IT.

Sell Cooper S, get Mini One and get it tuned ... will go from 0 to 100 km/h in less then 5 seconds afterwards which is faster then a Porsche 911 Carrera!

Phil

[Dom]

Sounds ambitious, best of luck

Don't forget a big write up once it's done!

Dom

[QQQ]

Quote:

Originally posted by SnakePhil
Hello!

Why wanna boost Cooper S ? My Mini One will be tuned upto 220bhp for EUR 6 000 this december by a austrian company called "DULLINGER PERFORMANCE".

Tuning the Cooper S is very costly as the engine itself has to get modyfied and you loose all waranty. DONT DO IT.

Sell Cooper S, get Mini One and get it tuned ... will go from 0 to 100 km/h in less then 5 seconds afterwards which is faster then a Porsche 911 Carrera!

Phil

Could you explain why tuning a MINI One wouldn't involve modifying the engine? Also, you will loose your MINI warranty when Dullinger tunes up your MINI One. The only way to tune your MINI without voiding the MINI warranty is by having it done by John Cooper Garages.

BTW the digi-tec kit (which inludes some mechanical adaptions too) only costs euro 1,250 which includes a 1 year/100,000 kms warranty.

[SnakePhil]

Well,

the company Dulinger gives you warranty. What he does it to turbocharge the engine. He also fits a new suspension kit, Porsche Turbo Brakes and you get a race-clutch.

Its all included in this 220bhp packet.

You get 2 years warranty, unlimited miles. Also, your BMW dealer is still able to service your car fully as it will be similar to the Cooper S - the only difference is that you will have a turbocharger in comparison to the compressor in the S.

[monkeysmuggler]

Can't make much of the site, but that price is fantastic if it's really promising that much power. I assume that's 220 at the wheels, correct?

If anyone gets any more details as to what this kit is, or who'll carry it, let me know

[SnakePhil]

I dont know where they measure the performance ... but as it goes that quick to 100 km/h it should be at the wheels.

Dullinger also does 140bhp and 180bhp tunings. The 220bhp tunig is in the test-phase right now and will be "released" this winter.

Phil

[BruceK]

Quote:

Originally posted by SnakePhil
...Dullinger also does 140bhp and 180bhp tunings. The 220bhp tunig is in the test-phase right now and will be "released" this winter.

I am skeptical of those claims. Has any independent car magazine tested a Dullinger-modified MINI One?

[QQQ]

Quote:

Originally posted by monkeysmuggler
Can't make much of the site, but that price is fantastic if it's really promising that much power. I assume that's 220 at the wheels, correct?

If anyone gets any more details as to what this kit is, or who'll carry it, let me know

Here are two links to tests of tuned MCS's. The first is between a Digi-tec and a Kelleners Cooper S. The second test concerns the latter 2 cars plus a Cooper S tuned by Schmidt (maxi-tuner) and one tuned by SKN. In both tests digi-tec gets the votes. Both tests are in German, the test results won't be a problem to read though.

Link 1
Link 2

[SnakePhil]

Dullinger has been revarded as one of the best Mini tuners around in Europe (excluding the UK).

The 180bhp version was tested several times ... but I only know the test from "BMW Tuning".

Phil

[CSDan]

From 90 hp to 220 hp--Do they do ANYTHING with the tranny?
Cause thats gonna be one of the first things to go.

Dan

[ttroestl]

Hat der Wagen jetzt wirklich 220PS, oder nur die 200HP wie in den Testberichten.

Hast du auch das Fahrwerk verändert?

Was micht überrascht hat, waren die Beschleunigungswerte, die ich noch besser erwartet habe, als die bekanntgegebenen
7,0sec von 0-100km.

Thomas

[bigahead]

oh great! a f@cking comedian.

english for us stupid brits please, and can i have that with chips and mushy peas!

[jonturner]

Quote:

Originally posted by CSDan
From 90 hp to 220 hp--Do they do ANYTHING with the tranny?
Cause thats gonna be one of the first things to go.

Dan

No joke! Not to mention the clutch (which is surely inadequate), cv joints, cooling system, bearings, pistons, etc. My bet is that something grenades (most likely broken connecting rod or transmission spag) within 5,000 miles. To be honest, I'd be totally shocked it if lived that long.

Anyone who doesn't agree needs to go read the tech articles in MTZ Worldwide (7-8-2002) regarding BMW's modifications to the S engine to get an idea of what it takes to make a high-performance engine live, then consider what this so-called "tuner" is doing... I wouldn't trust that thing as far as I could throw it, regardless of their "reputation" as a high-end tuning shop. The block's a solid design, but the rest of the engine must be built to match the application's performance level and there's no way, NO WAY, that a factory engine designed to make 90/115 hp is going to hold together pushed to 200 hp or more. Sure there is some overspecification in the engine design, to be sure, but certainly not 100%. That's completely unrealistic both from a common-sense standpoint and from an economic one.

The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. This applies to engines, too.
--JonTurner

[waynef]

Quote:

Originally posted by monkeysmuggler
Can't make much of the site, but that price is fantastic if it's really promising that much power. I assume that's 220 at the wheels, correct?

If anyone gets any more details as to what this kit is, or who'll carry it, let me know

Hi monkeysmuggler (and all non-German speakers like me)

Copernic's "Gist" does a fantastic job of translating an entire page into another language: although it obviously can't translate text that is part of a picture (.jpg/.gif/.bmp/etc) but I guess you know that.

Here's the link anyway:
http://translate.copernic.com:8060/?...ba08ef9de 3ff

If that doesn't work, download "Copernic Basic" from http://www.copernic.com for free. It's a Search [engine] Agent that blows away others like DogPile. You'll never need use Google then Yahoo then Ask then... to find anything again! Oh I forgot to mention, it's got a link to this "Gist" translator within it too as it places a "Gist" icon into your Internet Explorer Toolbar to translate the foriegn language page that your looking at.

All the best,

[Anthony27]

hey Jon

Quote:

No joke! Not to mention the clutch (which is surely inadequate),

he did mention that for that price they changed the clutch.

CV joints are important if the car is heavy - but here i suspect the standard ones should be enough... provided of course they don't fit 19-inch 255 ZR tyres (which wouldn't fit in the wheelarches, anyway).

I do agree that the claims seem optimistic... and that longevity may be a problem. But I have to say the 180 bhp version sounds tempting. I have always preferred turbos to superchargers.

[mrk9p]

Digitec kit sounds very tasty. Anyone in UK know where to get it?

[SnakePhil]

Dullinger Perfomance changes / modifies:

- change the suspension (Gewindefahrwerk - dont know english for it)
- fit Porsche Brakes
- fit a COMPLETLY NEW EXHAUST SYSTEM
- fir adapt the engine electronics
- fit new cylinder heads
- fit SACHS RACING CLUTCH
- fit new air filter
- change pistons
- change Fächerkrümmer / Nockenwelle (dont know english for it)

- and obviously they fit the turbo

FULL WARRANTY !!!!

Guys, why dont you believe it? Mini One, Mini Cooper, Mini Cooper s ... all SAME ENGINE!

The big benefit is that the insurance will stay as low as the Mini One insurance has been (at least in Germany).

The 140bhp kit is around 2.200 EUR, the 180bhp kit is around 6.0000 EUR and the 220bhp kit is not yet released.

I am waiting for the 220bhp version and once it is released i will drive my car down to Austria and leave it there for 2 weeks (as the installations take so long).
Then I can post a report.

Phil

[CSDan]

Its not the same ENGINE. The internals on the S have been uprated to handle the stress of the added horse power.

The tranny is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

You can have all the power in the world--but if you have no way to transmit it to the ground, WHATS THE POINT!?!?!
I have a hard enough problem putting down the 163 in my S at an autocross, let alone 220.

(edit)Plus, how long is the warranty for? A year?
I am just looking long term longevity. If you want something thats a flash in the pan--this osunds great, but if you want reliable everyday power for more then a few years, I dont think its the greatest solution.
Heres an example--Linginfelter is a tuner in the States that works on the Corvette. They created a BEAST that ran 0-60 in under 2 sec. Then it exploded.(/edit)

Daniel