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DaFlake · Jul 20th, 2008, 02:42 PM

OK, this is one of those "long time coming" posts.

This section consistently causes the most problems for MINI2 as it is always one of the most controversial. Heck, it was one of the reasons that the vendors got their own sections. Because of the constant bickering I wanted to throw out some general guidance when it comes to this section to help our good users and sponsors better understand what to expect from this section and us mods.

1. Post here with your problems.... The folks in this forum are car smart and can help you diagnose a problem.

2. Post here with facts and figures. Show everyone what your MINI is doing and maybe someone can help you find a bit more power.

3. Share and enjoy as you all have the same goals for the most part as we try to get the most HP out of our cars.

Here are some of the problems that I see...

1. False claims. - Well, if you are going to come here and make a false claim you had better have thick skin as these folks will quickly call you on it. Best to have some substantiated proof on your side.

2. Banner waving just to stir the pot. - I'll put this as clear as possible. The tuners have their own forums, so if you want to banner wave for a specific tuner it is best to do it there. This section is not for that and most people are tired of it. As for the sponsors? Well, like I said, you have your own forum. If you come here making claims, you had better be ready, like the others, to back them. Sponsors are no different than any other normal user in this section and banning users just because they question a sponsor is not going to happen provided that number 3 is followed...

3. Verbal attacks on other users. - This one has gotten folks banned quick. I'll put this as simple as I can. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Ok, that being said, what do I mean by it. Don't come on here and simply post. "You are a ****ing idiot"! That type of post is not acceptable. Be logical and tactful and your posts will read better and you will get more support.

4. Last but not least my favorite. Leveling bogus claims against another user or sponsor. - It is not acceptable to say that a sponsor or user is doing something false or incorrect unless you were there and have proof. In the past we have seen claims that range in severity and to be honest it is just an ignorant and childish knee jerk because you have nothing better to say. Best just to not say anything at all. It, like number 3, will not be tolerated by me.

Bottom line folks is that there is a bit of competition in this section and who would question that considering this is a competitive field. Keep your cool and maintain the MINI spirit so that we can all enjoy. There is a lot to be learned by everyone.

Jaw_F430 · Jul 20th, 2008, 02:59 PM

Spot on Daflake

The main one is backing up claims

nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out

Weird In Wiltshire · Jul 20th, 2008, 03:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DaFlake (original)

OK, this is one of those "long time coming" posts.

This section consistently causes the most problems for MINI2 as it is always one of the most controversial. Heck, it was one of the reasons that the vendors got their own sections. Because of the constant bickering I wanted to throw out some general guidance when it comes to this section to help our good users and sponsors better understand what to expect from this section and us mods.

1. Post here with your problems.... The folks in this forum are car smart and can help you diagnose a problem.

2. Post here with facts and figures. Show everyone what your MINI is doing and maybe someone can help you find a bit more power.

3. Share and enjoy as you all have the same goals for the most part as we try to get the most HP out of our cars.

Here are some of the problems that I see...

1. False claims. - Well, if you are going to come here and make a false claim you had better have thick skin as these folks will quickly call you on it. Best to have some substantiated proof on your side.

2. Banner waving just to stir the pot. - I'll put this as clear as possible. The tuners have their own forums, so if you want to banner wave for a specific tuner it is best to do it there. This section is not for that and most people are tired of it. As for the sponsors? Well, like I said, you have your own forum. If you come here making claims, you had better be ready, like the others, to back them. Sponsors are no different than any other normal user in this section and banning users just because they question a sponsor is not going to happen provided that number 3 is followed...

3. Verbal attacks on other users. - This one has gotten folks banned quick. I'll put this as simple as I can. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Ok, that being said, what do I mean by it. Don't come on here and simply post. "You are a ****ing idiot"! That type of post is not acceptable. Be logical and tactful and your posts will read better and you will get more support.

4. Last but not least my favorite. Leveling bogus claims against another user or sponsor. - It is not acceptable to say that a sponsor or user is doing something false or incorrect unless you were there and have proof. In the past we have seen claims that range in severity and to be honest it is just an ignorant and childish knee jerk because you have nothing better to say. Best just to not say anything at all. It, like number 3, will not be tolerated by me.

Bottom line folks is that there is a bit of competition in this section and who would question that considering this is a competitive field. Keep your cool and maintain the MINI spirit so that we can all enjoy. There is a lot to be learned by everyone.

Such a shame it has to be such hard work when it's meant to be relaxed. Wouldn't be it be better to come on, discuss the topic and leave it at that.

PS: I probably won't venture in this thread again don't worry!

MINIMANIAUK · Jul 20th, 2008, 03:46 PM

"nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out"

Now that has made me smile !!!!!!

alski · Jul 20th, 2008, 03:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original)

"nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out"

Now that has made me smile !!!!!!

the irony never went unnoticed by me

DaFlake · Jul 20th, 2008, 03:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original)

"nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out"

Now that has made me smile !!!!!!

LOL, I have Excel and Powerpoint and can make you all the charts that you want.

My point is that something is better than nothing.

2 much · Jul 20th, 2008, 04:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original)

Spot on Daflake

The main one is backing up claims

nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out

LOL

Goonery · Jul 20th, 2008, 04:06 PM

So when a tuner say's his girlfriend has a great pair of boobs, he now has to supply documented verifiable evidence

alski · Jul 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

So when a tuner say's his girlfriend has a great pair of boobs, he now has to supply documented verifiable evidence

a photo will be fine for me

GRSmotorsport · Jul 20th, 2008, 04:40 PM

Excellent!!!

blaze6 · Jul 20th, 2008, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by alski (original)

a photo will be fine for me

photo's can be touched up. same way dyno readings can vary....

DaFlake · Jul 20th, 2008, 05:51 PM

OK, guys I think that the point is that some very extreme claims have been made. Clearly there is no perfect way to prove your claims one way or another, but most people accept what is posted provided that it is within the norms of common sense.

Damo · Jul 20th, 2008, 07:20 PM

What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up

Seriously though good post/rules/whatever

Goonery · Jul 20th, 2008, 08:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up

Seriously though good post/rules/whatever

You can't call someone that, but you can think it.

DaFlake · Jul 20th, 2008, 11:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up

I don't know, are you?

Damo · Jul 21st, 2008, 12:17 PM

LOL!

At times yes I am

But then I'm willing to admit to it

batou · Jul 21st, 2008, 12:34 PM

Legend.

DaFlake · Jul 21st, 2008, 12:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

LOL!

At times yes I am

But then I'm willing to admit to it

Same here...

Bhozar · Jul 21st, 2008, 12:46 PM

I'll happily admit that you both are too!

(note smiley, please dont ban me!)

DaFlake · Jul 21st, 2008, 01:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bhozar (original)

I'll happily admit that you both are too!

(note cool smiley, please ban me!)

If you insist...

Jul 20th, 2008, 02:42 PM	#1
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Let's Get Real! OK, this is one of those "long time coming" posts. This section consistently causes the most problems for MINI2 as it is always one of the most controversial. Heck, it was one of the reasons that the vendors got their own sections. Because of the constant bickering I wanted to throw out some general guidance when it comes to this section to help our good users and sponsors better understand what to expect from this section and us mods. 1. Post here with your problems.... The folks in this forum are car smart and can help you diagnose a problem. 2. Post here with facts and figures. Show everyone what your MINI is doing and maybe someone can help you find a bit more power. 3. Share and enjoy as you all have the same goals for the most part as we try to get the most HP out of our cars. Here are some of the problems that I see... 1. False claims. - Well, if you are going to come here and make a false claim you had better have thick skin as these folks will quickly call you on it. Best to have some substantiated proof on your side. 2. Banner waving just to stir the pot. - I'll put this as clear as possible. The tuners have their own forums, so if you want to banner wave for a specific tuner it is best to do it there. This section is not for that and most people are tired of it. As for the sponsors? Well, like I said, you have your own forum. If you come here making claims, you had better be ready, like the others, to back them. Sponsors are no different than any other normal user in this section and banning users just because they question a sponsor is not going to happen provided that number 3 is followed... 3. Verbal attacks on other users. - This one has gotten folks banned quick. I'll put this as simple as I can. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Ok, that being said, what do I mean by it. Don't come on here and simply post. "You are a ****ing idiot"! That type of post is not acceptable. Be logical and tactful and your posts will read better and you will get more support. 4. Last but not least my favorite. Leveling bogus claims against another user or sponsor. - It is not acceptable to say that a sponsor or user is doing something false or incorrect unless you were there and have proof. In the past we have seen claims that range in severity and to be honest it is just an ignorant and childish knee jerk because you have nothing better to say. Best just to not say anything at all. It, like number 3, will not be tolerated by me. Bottom line folks is that there is a bit of competition in this section and who would question that considering this is a competitive field. Keep your cool and maintain the MINI spirit so that we can all enjoy. There is a lot to be learned by everyone. Global Moderator

Jul 20th, 2008, 02:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 713 Offline	Spot on Daflake The main one is backing up claims nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out Stock Cooper S @270+BHP 13.9@102.74 www.minitorque.com ULTIMATE BMW SHOW 21st Sept 2008- Santa Pod Raceway

Jul 20th, 2008, 03:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Weird In Wiltshire Land of Pewsey Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pewsey, Wilts. SN9 Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 944 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by DaFlake (original) OK, this is one of those "long time coming" posts. This section consistently causes the most problems for MINI2 as it is always one of the most controversial. Heck, it was one of the reasons that the vendors got their own sections. Because of the constant bickering I wanted to throw out some general guidance when it comes to this section to help our good users and sponsors better understand what to expect from this section and us mods. 1. Post here with your problems.... The folks in this forum are car smart and can help you diagnose a problem. 2. Post here with facts and figures. Show everyone what your MINI is doing and maybe someone can help you find a bit more power. 3. Share and enjoy as you all have the same goals for the most part as we try to get the most HP out of our cars. Here are some of the problems that I see... 1. False claims. - Well, if you are going to come here and make a false claim you had better have thick skin as these folks will quickly call you on it. Best to have some substantiated proof on your side. 2. Banner waving just to stir the pot. - I'll put this as clear as possible. The tuners have their own forums, so if you want to banner wave for a specific tuner it is best to do it there. This section is not for that and most people are tired of it. As for the sponsors? Well, like I said, you have your own forum. If you come here making claims, you had better be ready, like the others, to back them. Sponsors are no different than any other normal user in this section and banning users just because they question a sponsor is not going to happen provided that number 3 is followed... 3. Verbal attacks on other users. - This one has gotten folks banned quick. I'll put this as simple as I can. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Ok, that being said, what do I mean by it. Don't come on here and simply post. "You are a ***ing idiot"! That type of post is not acceptable. Be logical and tactful and your posts will read better and you will get more support. 4. Last but not least my favorite. Leveling bogus claims against another user or sponsor. - It is not acceptable to say that a sponsor or user is doing something false or incorrect unless you were there and have proof. In the past we have seen claims that range in severity and to be honest it is just an ignorant and childish knee jerk because you have nothing better to say. Best just to not say anything at all. It, like number 3, will not be tolerated by me. Bottom line folks is that there is a bit of competition in this section and who would question that considering this is a competitive field. Keep your cool and maintain the MINI spirit so that we can all enjoy. There is a lot to be learned by everyone. Such a shame it has to be such hard work when it's meant to be relaxed. Wouldn't be it be better to come on, discuss the topic and leave it at that. PS: I probably won't venture in this thread again don't worry! In A Very Good Mood! Last edited by Weird In Wiltshire : Jul 20th, 2008 at 03:45 PM. Reason: PS*

Jul 20th, 2008, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
MINIMANIAUK MINI2 Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 1,048 Offline	"nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out" Now that has made me smile !!!!!! www.minimaniauk.com

Jul 20th, 2008, 03:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 954 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original) "nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out" Now that has made me smile !!!!!! the irony never went unnoticed by me carefree

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Jul 20th, 2008, 03:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIMANIAUK (original) "nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out" Now that has made me smile !!!!!! LOL, I have Excel and Powerpoint and can make you all the charts that you want. My point is that something is better than nothing. Global Moderator

Jul 20th, 2008, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
2 much MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 221 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Jaw_F430 (original) Spot on Daflake The main one is backing up claims nobody can argue with a dyno graph,timing slip or track time print out LOL turbo power

Jul 20th, 2008, 04:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Goonery Time for CHANGE ! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 13,617 Offline	So when a tuner say's his girlfriend has a great pair of boobs, he now has to supply documented verifiable evidence

Jul 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 954 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original) So when a tuner say's his girlfriend has a great pair of boobs, he now has to supply documented verifiable evidence a photo will be fine for me carefree

Jul 20th, 2008, 04:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
GRSmotorsport MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yeovil Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 680 Offline	Excellent!!! Graham

Jul 20th, 2008, 05:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
blaze6 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: surbiton Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 186 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by alski (original) a photo will be fine for me photo's can be touched up. same way dyno readings can vary.... dr. blaze

Jul 20th, 2008, 05:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	OK, guys I think that the point is that some very extreme claims have been made. Clearly there is no perfect way to prove your claims one way or another, but most people accept what is posted provided that it is within the norms of common sense. Global Moderator

Jul 20th, 2008, 07:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 10,664 Offline	What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up Seriously though good post/rules/whatever

Jul 20th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Goonery Time for CHANGE ! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 13,617 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original) What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up Seriously though good post/rules/whatever You can't call someone that, but you can think it.

Jul 20th, 2008, 11:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original) What if I call someone a "****ing idiot" and have proof to back it up I don't know, are you? Global Moderator

Jul 21st, 2008, 12:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 10,664 Offline	LOL! At times yes I am But then I'm willing to admit to it

Jul 21st, 2008, 12:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
batou Turbo Schmurbo... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maidenhead Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 809 Offline	Legend. 235+ BHP "Works" Eater

Jul 21st, 2008, 12:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original) LOL! At times yes I am But then I'm willing to admit to it Same here... Global Moderator

Jul 21st, 2008, 12:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 12:50 PM Posts: 1,236 Offline	I'll happily admit that you both are too! (note smiley, please dont ban me!)

Jul 21st, 2008, 01:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
DaFlake I miss my MINI Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 07:50 AM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Bhozar (original) I'll happily admit that you both are too! (note cool smiley, please ban me!) If you insist... Global Moderator

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