[QQQ]

Rumphorst claims a 35 HP gain after their mod (which would give an output of 198 HP). Find both a gain of 30 Nm and a gain of 35 HP hard top believe with only a remap of the ECU.

[macmini]

hi guys!

just to put an end to the debate whether there is a 200ps cooper s version possible just via chipping or not:

the tuner ( 10 years of experience ) tested 2 cooper s for nearly 5 months on their test stands (he is located at the "nürburgring" in germany) to optimize their electronics in order to get optimum results. the results are the following:

PS ser: 163
PS mod: 200

KW ser: 118
KW mod: 147

NM ser: 210
NM mod: 240

Vmax ser: 220
Vmax mod: 240

if i had a cooper s i would put him on a test-stand in order to prove that it IS possible to get a 200ps s just via chiptuning (which takes only 15 minutes).

anyone who is sceptical should take a ride in quicksilver's cooper s if you might come from belgium/the netherlands!.

alex

[Grinder]

It just sounds too good to be true! Why cant anyone else get the same results? Will it give me 200 Hp until it fries my engine within a matter of a few hundred miles?? If there really aren't any real drawbacks...where do i get one?!?

[macmini]

thats the point!
digi-tec, schmidt-technik, kelleners (all german tuners) sell there tuning program for a s for nearly 2000$ and get same results!. they also change the compressor disk which i wouldnt do cause that would be a mechanical tuning then and u never know what happens in the future.... . they do exactly the same but sell it for over 100% more money to the customer!.

the good thing about chipping is that when u dont want anymore u can simply upload the old file again without any problem!!. all that for under 1000$ which is a pretty good price i would say!

alex

[Jolly Jumper]

Hey Macmini2 and Großer Axel, how are you related to Rumphorst? There are links from Rumphorst to your page and vice versa. All very nice, sounds good, but I just would like to know...
And do you really think Hamm is "close" to the Nürburgring?

[Basil]

Boy, that server is fast.

Excellent, considering it was shot in the dark.

[bigagsl]

@jolly jumper
hamm is definitly NOT related very close to the 'ring', that's true what macmini didn't mention is the fact that the tuner (i.e. the developer of the chip) has his garage at the 'ring' and RUMPHORST is the exclusive dealer for the super-chips.

i have no direct contact to rumphorst (430km away - but i was surprised about the perfect service at their shop) but between macmini2 & the ceo of rumphorst was growing up a friendship during 2002, having the same things in mind for the mini. very often mac "sacrificed" his car for prototype parts.

for this reason mac linked his dealer in his signatur and vice versa rumphorst has a link to the www.mini2.info/forum

this is definitly no advertising through the backdoor, if you had this idea in mind

have fun & ride free

"großer axel"

[Jolly Jumper]

Quote:

Originally posted by bigagsl
@jolly jumper
hamm is definitly NOT related very close to the 'ring', that's true what macmini didn't mention is the fact that the tuner (i.e. the developer of the chip) has his garage at the 'ring' and RUMPHORST is the exclusive dealer for the super-chips.

i have no direct contact to rumphorst (430km away - but i was surprised about the perfect service at their shop) but between macmini2 & the ceo of rumphorst was growing up a friendship during 2002, having the same things in mind for the mini. very often mac "sacrificed" his car for prototype parts.

for this reason mac linked his dealer in his signatur and vice versa rumphorst has a link to the www.mini2.info/forum

this is definitly no advertising through the backdoor, if you had this idea in mind

have fun & ride free

"großer axel"

Ah, I understand, all right. It's just that it sounds so good.
Tell us where the power is: high up in the rev range or everywhere? I think what the MCS needs is more torque low down to get it moving. What about fuel consumption? Much worse?
Thanks.

[Hapo]

...are these chips to be available commercialy...???...can they be installed outside of the Rumphorst shop...???...

[bigagsl]

Quote:

Ah, I understand, all right. It's just that it sounds so good.
Tell us where the power is: high up in the rev range or everywhere? I think what the MCS needs is more torque low down to get it moving. What about fuel consumption? Much worse?
Thanks.

hey jolly, i can tell you IT IS SOOO GOOD!
as i have written a few posts ago: the torque increase at low rev is fantastic - it now reminds me more of my old golf IV tdi then a high reving engine! there is much more power from 0 up to 7.200 rpm (realize this! and the new rev limit is 7.400 rpm).
fuel consumption? should we really talk about this topic? it's even worse with an non-chipped mcs! i think app. 0,5l more. at the moment i'm driving with roundabout 11,5 - 12,0 litre per 100km but it's so much fun!

have fun & ride free

bigagsl

@hapo
you can buy this chip comercialy IN GERMANY... well, perhaps macmini2 can talk to rumphorst, that they can make a "joint venture" with your local dealer? send him a pn!

[Grinder]

Its at times like these when i wish that i lived in Germany....*sigh*

[paulmon]

I'm still rather skeptical as to the claims of this chip. If the MCS had a turbo then it would make sense because you can adjust the computer to create more boost by adjusting when the waste gate opens. However with the MCS and the Supercharger a pulley is usually what is required. So I'm skeptical. I'd love to be proven wrong, however considering the amount of power other tuners have been able to extract I can't see how RUMPHORST can do this with a chip alone. It would be FANTASTIC! if they could but I just don't see this as being real.

Let's hope they prove me, and others, wrong.

Paul

[Grinder]

Can one of you guys whos actually had it done try and get a dyno sheet or something from your dealer... They MUST have one, how else would they know the power gains? Also, what was the cost and torque increase?

[SailorDavid]

OK, so let's say we get even half of the 35 HP boost. I'm much more interested in the low end torque myself...

Any contacts in the US of A?
What are the downsides? What other part while fail first? (sorry if this is a dumb question ...)

Why doesn't BMW/mini reprogram the chips themselves?

Peace,
David

[Grinder]

Welcome to the board!

As for why MINI doesn't do it themselves, there are a couple of reasons.

1. Image. They might feel that it compromises the car's appeal to the different markets. An exmaple of this is that the ride quality might be *too* sporty for what they're going for. They aren't trying to build a bullet to out do a WRX or anything. Same reason they dont put on springs for the track, that type of thing...

2. Cost. They might feel that the extra cost for whatever modifications have been done would drive the price up too much to appeal to the market they're trying to sell to.

3. Durability. They might feel that the car wont hold up as well with the extra HP. Maybe they felt that the extra HP would need even more modified engine internals to handle the load, which would in turn drive up the cost. Sort of like the new 200 HP turbo Cooper by MINI Mania, they have to worry a lot about how it will hold up in the long run.

These are just guesses, but they seem to make sense to me.

[QQQ]

Quote:

Originally posted by Grinder
Can one of you guys whos actually had it done try and get a dyno sheet or something from your dealer... They MUST have one, how else would they know the power gains? Also, what was the cost and torque increase?

Cost was euro 999 (approx. US$ 985), claimed torque increase 30 Nm (approx. 22 Lbft).

[bigagsl]

aloha @ all
scroll up the thread - there are the datas of the chip improvement. perhaps macmini2 is able to organize a scanned dyno sheet. i'm going to ask him.

to help your discussion: i don't know if i am having an mcs with 195, 200 or 205hp BUT i feel a big increase of power, torque and speed and that is most important to me or did you ride your mcs with 235 kph (15 kph improvement with the bad aerodynamics of a mini - wow!) on the speedo over the german autobahn? ...it`s so much fun even when you have to concentrate a lot more comparing to a mercedes e-class or something like this

have fun & ride free

big-chipped-agsl

[Paul]

Quote:

Originally posted by bigagsl
aloha @ all
scroll up the thread - there are the datas of the chip improvement. perhaps macmini2 is able to organize a scanned dyno sheet. i'm going to ask him.

to help your discussion: i don't no if i am having an mcs with 195, 200 or 205hp BUT i feel a big increase of power, torque and speed and that is most important to me or did you ride your mcs with 235 kph (15 kph improvement with the bad aerodynamics of a mini - wow!) on the speedo over the german autobahn? ...it`s so much fun even when you have to concentrate a lot more comparing to a mercedes e-class or something like this

have fun & ride free

big-chipped-agsl

I agree it's the difference, not the total that you really feel, and what really matters.

I'd like to see a Cooper S on a dyno before and after chipping.

[paulmon]

A 15kph top speed increase? That could simply mean that they've removed the top speed limit in the computer. The MCS has a governor right?

Paul

Quote:

Originally posted by bigagsl
aloha @ all
scroll up the thread - there are the datas of the chip improvement. perhaps macmini2 is able to organize a scanned dyno sheet. i'm going to ask him.

to help your discussion: i don't know if i am having an mcs with 195, 200 or 205hp BUT i feel a big increase of power, torque and speed and that is most important to me or did you ride your mcs with 235 kph (15 kph improvement with the bad aerodynamics of a mini - wow!) on the speedo over the german autobahn? ...it`s so much fun even when you have to concentrate a lot more comparing to a mercedes e-class or something like this

have fun & ride free

big-chipped-agsl

[QQQ]

235 kph with only a remap? The Hamann CS4-kit (255 Nm/211 HP/euro 4.290) involving a ECU remap, change of transmission supercharger ratio and replacement of air filter, rear muffler and high performance header incl. silencer with cat increases top speed with 11 kph to 229 kph.

It all just sounds a bit too good to me. I do believe that your car feels fast, but don't forget that even a 10% increase in power/torque (16 HP/20 NM) would be very noticable (see posts of Silver S in the performance & tuning forum regarding his MINI-Madness chip), however an increase of 40 HP/45Nm is something completely different and would be REALLY very, very noticable.