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bigagsl · Nov 8th, 2002, 03:00 PM

@paulmon
a speed governor at the mcs? thats new to me!
does anybody know some details about this statement?

@qqq
please don't compare 235 kph read on the speedo with 229 kph from a track test measurement! it's a big difference! but believe it or not -> the top speed is higher. you can fell it and you can read it on the speedo. next time i'm posting a speedo-shot - promised!

have fun & ride free

bigagsl

QQQ · Nov 8th, 2002, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigagsl
@qqq
please don't compare 235 kph read on the speedo with 229 kph from a track test measurement! it's a big difference! but believe it or not -> the top speed is higher. you can fell it and you can read it on the speedo. next time i'm posting a speedo-shot - promised!

I do believe that your speedo indicates 235 kph. Rumphorst however claims a topspeed of 240(!) kph, I assume they mean 'real' kph, just like I assume their claimed 35 HP and 30 Nm gains are 'real'. Hamann (not the least of all tuners) seems to need a lot more modifications for a topspeed of 229 kph (and a 48 HP/45 Nm gain). Just trying to put things into perspective.

Grinder · Nov 10th, 2002, 09:50 AM

Any updates/dyno sheets yet?

bigagsl · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:07 PM

@grinder
i was talking to macmini2 yesterday - rumphorst has a dyno sheet. as soon as he has the time to scan it he will post it! stay tuned

have fun & ride free

bigagsl

Bad Manners · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:21 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing the dyno sheet

Do Rumphorst have a workshop at the Nürburgring where they could perform their modifications? I'm asking because I should be going to the Ring in Spring meet next year with my new Cooper S.

bigagsl · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:38 PM

@bad manners
no, rumphorst doesn't have a workshop at the ring. only their research & development partner is situated at the ring. but for sure macmini2 could arrange a special deal (if you are interrested). but: interrested or not - send me a pm or post it before riding to the ring... then we can hold a little meeting at the ring with other german mini enthusiasts! that would be great fun! for example: today we had a short planned meeting with 6 mcs & 1 one at stuttgart. we made a very winding trip (150km) through the suabian alb area (wonderful curves and very steep

).

have fun & ride free

bigagsl

Bad Manners · Nov 10th, 2002, 02:01 PM

Thanks, Bigagsl.

The Ring in Spring thread is in Meetings and Events - UK, which is a bit daft

We are trying to organise a trip from UK to the Ring in March or April. Of course, this is still next year, and I haven't even got my S yet!

macmini · Nov 12th, 2002, 01:42 PM

got the dynosheets now!

hold on for a second...

alex

djafactor · Nov 12th, 2002, 02:55 PM

ooooooo...i'm excited

come on now the suspense is killin' me

Amit

minimc · Nov 12th, 2002, 08:34 PM

Where are those dyno sheets? You don't want anyone to sleep do ya?

Bad Manners · Nov 12th, 2002, 11:05 PM

macmini has posted some technical information regarding the a chip-only modification and a supercharger pulley modification in the Technisches zum MINI forum on www.mini2.info

See the Tuning Cooper S thread

It seems of two possible modifications, one gives top end speed, the other helps with low to mid grunt.

If you scroll down that page, you'll also find the dyno graphs

Grinder · Nov 13th, 2002, 12:03 AM

Hmm, most online translators are worthless...any german folks wanna do the honors?

macmini · Nov 13th, 2002, 03:00 AM

sheets are to be found here

http://www.mini2.info/forum/viewtopi...t=88&start=150

the one on the top is a chipped s with a new supercharger disk

the one underneath that is a "chipped-only" s

some stats:

Max. Nm Cooper S with new disk----> 240 Nm
Max. Nm Cooper S only chip -----> 205 Nm (!) normal: 210 Nm

Norm. Hp Cooper S with disk ---> 204,6 HP
Norm. Hp Cooper S only Chip ----> 200,8 HP (!!!!!)

topspeeds:

topspeed Cooper S with new chargerdisk ----> 214 Km/h
topspeed Cooper S only chip ---> 233 Km/h (!!!!!!!!)

the full sheet will be up on this site in a couple of days www.bmw-rumphorst.de ("chiptuning")

c ya

mac

QQQ · Nov 13th, 2002, 04:06 AM

The chip only gives more torque in the upper rev range, which is not what I'm looking for. The torque curve of the standard S and the chipped version look almost identical in the 1500 - 6000 rpm range. It doesn't give me the desired more grunt in the lower and middle rev range. For me it's clear now that you need a combination of the two modifications to give me the tuned S I'm looking for, just as most tuning companies are offering.

Just my 2 cents

macmini · Nov 13th, 2002, 05:29 AM

hi

if i were u i'd test a superchipped s without a different supercharger disk first! believe me: it is HELL !

the funny thing is that with a disk you have more NM's but your topspeed hasnt really improved compared to a non-chip-S !.

Forget the stats: what counts is the subjective feeling u have when u drive a car (at least it is for me

)!

mac

QQQ · Nov 13th, 2002, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by macmini2
hi

if i were u i'd test a superchipped s without a different supercharger disk first! believe me: it is HELL !

the funny thing is that with a disk you have more NM's but your topspeed hasnt really improved compared to a non-chip-S !.

Forget the stats: what counts is the subjective feeling u have when u drive a car (at least it is for me )!

mac

I agree macmini2, just think the sheets aren't very promissing and that's all I have at the moment. I will see Quicksilver coming Sunday and will kindly request her to take me for a drive. Let you know the outcome.

Cheers

macmini · Nov 13th, 2002, 05:40 AM

here is a little advice for sunday :

HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTT

mac

QQQ · Nov 13th, 2002, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by macmini2
here is a little advice for sunday :

HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTT

mac

Always do

OnlyS4me · Nov 13th, 2002, 06:16 AM

As long as you don't fill your y-fronts

macmini · Nov 14th, 2002, 07:53 PM

just finished this interesting thing here

it graphically shows u the difference between standard s/chip-s/chip s with bigger chargerdisk concerning topspeed:

----> http://www.new-mini-ig.de/speed.htm

and this will show u a kW curve

----> http://www.new-mini-ig.de/kw.htm

alex

Nov 8th, 2002, 03:00 PM	#41
bigagsl life in orange Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: stuttgart Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 113 Offline	@paulmon a speed governor at the mcs? thats new to me! does anybody know some details about this statement? @qqq please don't compare 235 kph read on the speedo with 229 kph from a track test measurement! it's a big difference! but believe it or not -> the top speed is higher. you can fell it and you can read it on the speedo. next time i'm posting a speedo-shot - promised! have fun & ride free bigagsl www.mini2.info the most active german MINI forum

Nov 10th, 2002, 09:50 AM	#43 (permalink)
Grinder Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northern VA. Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 1,118 Offline	Any updates/dyno sheets yet? Whatever.

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:07 PM	#44 (permalink)
bigagsl life in orange Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: stuttgart Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 113 Offline	@grinder i was talking to macmini2 yesterday - rumphorst has a dyno sheet. as soon as he has the time to scan it he will post it! stay tuned have fun & ride free bigagsl www.mini2.info the most active german MINI forum

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:21 PM	#45 (permalink)
Bad Manners MINI2 prodigal son Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Surrey, UK Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	I'm looking forward to seeing the dyno sheet Do Rumphorst have a workshop at the Nürburgring where they could perform their modifications? I'm asking because I should be going to the Ring in Spring meet next year with my new Cooper S. http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/mini2/banner.gif

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:38 PM	#46 (permalink)
bigagsl life in orange Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: stuttgart Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 113 Offline	@bad manners no, rumphorst doesn't have a workshop at the ring. only their research & development partner is situated at the ring. but for sure macmini2 could arrange a special deal (if you are interrested). but: interrested or not - send me a pm or post it before riding to the ring... then we can hold a little meeting at the ring with other german mini enthusiasts! that would be great fun! for example: today we had a short planned meeting with 6 mcs & 1 one at stuttgart. we made a very winding trip (150km) through the suabian alb area (wonderful curves and very steep ). have fun & ride free bigagsl www.mini2.info the most active german MINI forum

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Nov 8th, 2002, 04:14 PM	#42 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,421 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by bigagsl @qqq please don't compare 235 kph read on the speedo with 229 kph from a track test measurement! it's a big difference! but believe it or not -> the top speed is higher. you can fell it and you can read it on the speedo. next time i'm posting a speedo-shot - promised! I do believe that your speedo indicates 235 kph. Rumphorst however claims a topspeed of 240(!) kph, I assume they mean 'real' kph, just like I assume their claimed 35 HP and 30 Nm gains are 'real'. Hamann (not the least of all tuners) seems to need a lot more modifications for a topspeed of 229 kph (and a 48 HP/45 Nm gain). Just trying to put things into perspective.

Nov 10th, 2002, 02:01 PM	#47 (permalink)
Bad Manners MINI2 prodigal son Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Surrey, UK Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Thanks, Bigagsl. The Ring in Spring thread is in Meetings and Events - UK, which is a bit daft We are trying to organise a trip from UK to the Ring in March or April. Of course, this is still next year, and I haven't even got my S yet! http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/mini2/banner.gif

Nov 12th, 2002, 01:42 PM	#48 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 370 Offline	got the dynosheets now! hold on for a second... alex http://www.newmini-technik.de

Nov 12th, 2002, 02:55 PM	#49 (permalink)
djafactor MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 162 Offline	ooooooo...i'm excited come on now the suspense is killin' me Amit '05 MCS '78 MINI 1000 electricpixel.org

Nov 12th, 2002, 08:34 PM	#50 (permalink)
minimc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 457 Offline	Where are those dyno sheets? You don't want anyone to sleep do ya?

Nov 12th, 2002, 11:05 PM	#51 (permalink)
Bad Manners MINI2 prodigal son Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Surrey, UK Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	SCOOP! macmini has posted some technical information regarding the a chip-only modification and a supercharger pulley modification in the Technisches zum MINI forum on www.mini2.info See the Tuning Cooper S thread It seems of two possible modifications, one gives top end speed, the other helps with low to mid grunt. If you scroll down that page, you'll also find the dyno graphs http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/mini2/banner.gif

Nov 13th, 2002, 12:03 AM	#52 (permalink)
Grinder Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northern VA. Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 1,118 Offline	Hmm, most online translators are worthless...any german folks wanna do the honors? Whatever. Last edited by OnlyS4me : Nov 13th, 2002 at 05:59 AM.

Nov 13th, 2002, 03:00 AM	#53 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 370 Offline	sheets are to be found here http://www.mini2.info/forum/viewtopi...t=88&start=150 the one on the top is a chipped s with a new supercharger disk the one underneath that is a "chipped-only" s some stats: Max. Nm Cooper S with new disk----> 240 Nm Max. Nm Cooper S only chip -----> 205 Nm (!) normal: 210 Nm Norm. Hp Cooper S with disk ---> 204,6 HP Norm. Hp Cooper S only Chip ----> 200,8 HP (!!!!!) topspeeds: topspeed Cooper S with new chargerdisk ----> 214 Km/h topspeed Cooper S only chip ---> 233 Km/h (!!!!!!!!) the full sheet will be up on this site in a couple of days www.bmw-rumphorst.de ("chiptuning") c ya mac http://www.newmini-technik.de

Nov 13th, 2002, 04:06 AM	#54 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,421 Offline	The chip only gives more torque in the upper rev range, which is not what I'm looking for. The torque curve of the standard S and the chipped version look almost identical in the 1500 - 6000 rpm range. It doesn't give me the desired more grunt in the lower and middle rev range. For me it's clear now that you need a combination of the two modifications to give me the tuned S I'm looking for, just as most tuning companies are offering. Just my 2 cents

Nov 13th, 2002, 05:29 AM	#55 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 370 Offline	hi if i were u i'd test a superchipped s without a different supercharger disk first! believe me: it is HELL ! the funny thing is that with a disk you have more NM's but your topspeed hasnt really improved compared to a non-chip-S !. Forget the stats: what counts is the subjective feeling u have when u drive a car (at least it is for me )! mac http://www.newmini-technik.de Last edited by OnlyS4me : Nov 13th, 2002 at 05:56 AM.

Nov 13th, 2002, 05:39 AM	#56 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,421 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by macmini2 hi if i were u i'd test a superchipped s without a different supercharger disk first! believe me: it is HELL ! the funny thing is that with a disk you have more NM's but your topspeed hasnt really improved compared to a non-chip-S !. Forget the stats: what counts is the subjective feeling u have when u drive a car (at least it is for me )! mac I agree macmini2, just think the sheets aren't very promissing and that's all I have at the moment. I will see Quicksilver coming Sunday and will kindly request her to take me for a drive. Let you know the outcome. Cheers Last edited by OnlyS4me : Nov 13th, 2002 at 05:57 AM.

Nov 13th, 2002, 05:40 AM	#57 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 370 Offline	here is a little advice for sunday : HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTT mac http://www.newmini-technik.de

Nov 13th, 2002, 06:05 AM	#58 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,421 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by macmini2 here is a little advice for sunday : HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTT mac Always do

Nov 13th, 2002, 06:16 AM	#59 (permalink)
OnlyS4me Loves Leecey Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Broads Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 4,758 Offline	As long as you don't fill your y-fronts

Nov 14th, 2002, 07:53 PM	#60 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 370 Offline	just finished this interesting thing here it graphically shows u the difference between standard s/chip-s/chip s with bigger chargerdisk concerning topspeed: ----> http://www.new-mini-ig.de/speed.htm and this will show u a kW curve ----> http://www.new-mini-ig.de/kw.htm alex http://www.newmini-technik.de

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