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Grinder · Nov 24th, 2002, 07:37 PM

Maybe he's having too much fun driving it to stop and tell us how it is!

rasp · Nov 24th, 2002, 07:42 PM

Maybe its to fast for him and his in shock!

MichaelK · Nov 25th, 2002, 09:16 AM

I would be almost certain that warranty and TLC would be void. I guess Hartge/Birds would do there own warranty cover ?

Cheers

Michael

rasp · Nov 25th, 2002, 10:57 AM

Michaelk.

Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years. So your getting 12-15 more bhp and £1300.00 in your bin, the choice is yours.

MichaelK · Nov 25th, 2002, 11:02 AM

Hi rasp,

I made my choice some time ago

I'd prefer to go down the BMW approved road especially as its JCW.

Although if this was not on offer I would deffinetly go with Hartge conversion route, over all the other tuner deals going.

It will be interesting to see how the cars compare

Cheers

Michael

rasp · Nov 25th, 2002, 11:22 AM

Michaelk.

I originally was down for the JCW witch I think was everybodys favourite route to start off with but with more offers in the market I think people are being persuaded to move,some offers I think are going through to many hands before getting to the customer, to many slices of the cake thus making the price to high.

Rasp.

Shamster · Nov 25th, 2002, 11:32 AM

yes - I would've thought a warranty claim would be the tricky part. If it was anything like sorting out a problem on a pc you'd be going round in circles.

Hardware guy: "Its a software problem".
Software guy: "No, its definitely a hardware problem"

Having said all that I will still look into the Hartge conversion further.

MichaelK · Nov 25th, 2002, 11:42 AM

Hi rasp,

There do seem to be more and more alternatives coming to light, some even claiming 250BHP ! The main reason I gone down the JCW route is, reputation, waranty and TLC intact, and as it will be viewed as part of the MINI range it will be easy to sell, not than I plan to for a good many years

Cheers

Michael

rasp · Nov 25th, 2002, 11:59 AM

Shamster/Michaelk

Two both excellent points, now Im really getting in a spin.
but Im staying with Hartge, S gone in today should have some results wednesday 28th or maybe tomorrow.

Thanks.

Rasp.

M3NTAL Kev · Nov 25th, 2002, 01:53 PM

As alluring as the JCW conversion seems, one shouldn't forget that Hartge also has a great deal of tuning expertise in the BMW scene.

Dollar for dollar, the Hartge conversion makes far more sense with or without the warranty (to me anyhow).

Brain · Nov 25th, 2002, 02:32 PM

I got an email from Herbert Hartge today. I live about an hour from their shop but am waiting to see if their kit will meet US standards. I'd hate to have a really fast Mini I could not bring back to the states with me.

Brain

QQQ · Nov 25th, 2002, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rasp
Michaelk.

Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years. So your getting 12-15 more bhp and £1300.00 in your bin, the choice is yours.

The JCW kit includes an exhaust modification though (I believe only a silencer?). Hamann offer a silencer for euro 1,300 and euro 2,600 for silencer, header and cat. Hartge is also working on exhaust modifications, they quoted euro 800 - 1000 for a silencer excl. fitting. That closes the gap between Hartge and JCW

I'm sticking with Hartge though. Called the Dutch dealer last week, he's fitting the first kit in January and said I can have a test drive. If I like it he can do mine too

As for the reputation of Hartge. Hartge is after Alpina the best respected BMW tuner in Germany.

Rasp: remember to post your experiences with the Hartge kit, don't be like V12 and keep it all to your self. Some people out here are dying for a report

OnlyS4me · Nov 26th, 2002, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QQQ
I'm sticking with Hartge though. Called the Dutch dealer last week, he's fitting the first kit in January and said I can have a test drive. If I like it he can do mine too

That's good news E

! Don't forget to call me then, I will be glad to escort you

.

M

rasp · Nov 26th, 2002, 02:38 PM

Hi all!

The conversion is done, firstly I would like to thank Birds staff for being so helpfull A really proffesional service they provide.
The car really is in a different league now, it pulls in 6th like it used to pull in 5th just dabbing the throttle keeps you moving, revving now to 7500rpm exceleration is much improved although still very smooth (no times as yet) Kompressor sound is much more prominent now, wineing sounds great at higher revs, all in all it really is a 1st class job early days I know but I for one am very very impressed with the whole package and do also think that others have got there work cut out to better it.

Rasp.

Shamster · Nov 26th, 2002, 04:14 PM

I said before that I have found the guys at Birds to be very professional and friendly. I took my 7 series to them rather than a BMW main dealer even though the prices were about the same.

And of course Hartge is not some back street tuning house -its right up close to the top of the premier league.

Good luck with your 'new' car Rasp. Would like to be kept up to date as I intend to look into Hartge again when my S comes in about 8 weeks time.

Bonnie Scotland · Nov 26th, 2002, 06:14 PM

My car goes in on thursday and am really looking forward to the extra poke.
I'll post back with my thoughts, now, where's that road map, wish i'd got sat/nav!

alan fae bonnie scotland

Shamster · Nov 27th, 2002, 08:11 AM

they're in an industrial estate just by a hump-backed bridge. Would suggest coming of the M40 at Uxbridge junction and then heading towards Iver Heath. I'm sure you'll have lots of fun and will be impressed by their 'more regular' fayre i.e BMW's.

LMB · Nov 30th, 2002, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelK
The main reason I gone down the JCW route is...TLC intact

Is this definite?

LMB · Nov 30th, 2002, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rasp
Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years.

But what does that warranty cover?

My understanding was that doing any sort of modification to the engine voided the warranty on the *whole* car not just the engine.

What's the official line?

I'm very tempted to go the hartge route as I feel JCW are asking too much money for theirs. However, they do have the added advantage of it being *fully* covered by the BMW warranty and it also *supposedly* doesn't void TLC.

dinger · Dec 1st, 2002, 03:54 AM

I do believe the John Cooper Works S conversion kit IS the only one that would keep the TLC in tact the reason for this is that the MINI dealerships are also going to be fitting these.

Nov 24th, 2002, 07:37 PM	#41
Grinder Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northern VA. Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 1,118 Offline	Maybe he's having too much fun driving it to stop and tell us how it is! Whatever.

Nov 25th, 2002, 09:16 AM	#43 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 342 Offline	I would be almost certain that warranty and TLC would be void. I guess Hartge/Birds would do there own warranty cover ? Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Nov 25th, 2002, 10:57 AM	#44 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	Warranty Michaelk. Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years. So your getting 12-15 more bhp and £1300.00 in your bin, the choice is yours.

Nov 25th, 2002, 11:02 AM	#45 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 342 Offline	Hi rasp, I made my choice some time ago I'd prefer to go down the BMW approved road especially as its JCW. Although if this was not on offer I would deffinetly go with Hartge conversion route, over all the other tuner deals going. It will be interesting to see how the cars compare Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Nov 25th, 2002, 11:32 AM	#47 (permalink)
Shamster Lord of The Four Rings Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reminiscing Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 10,745 Offline	yes - I would've thought a warranty claim would be the tricky part. If it was anything like sorting out a problem on a pc you'd be going round in circles. Hardware guy: "Its a software problem". Software guy: "No, its definitely a hardware problem" Having said all that I will still look into the Hartge conversion further. 260909

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Nov 24th, 2002, 07:42 PM	#42 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	Maybe its to fast for him and his in shock!

Nov 25th, 2002, 11:22 AM	#46 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	Michaelk. I originally was down for the JCW witch I think was everybodys favourite route to start off with but with more offers in the market I think people are being persuaded to move,some offers I think are going through to many hands before getting to the customer, to many slices of the cake thus making the price to high. Rasp.

Nov 25th, 2002, 11:42 AM	#48 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 342 Offline	Hi rasp, There do seem to be more and more alternatives coming to light, some even claiming 250BHP ! The main reason I gone down the JCW route is, reputation, waranty and TLC intact, and as it will be viewed as part of the MINI range it will be easy to sell, not than I plan to for a good many years Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Nov 25th, 2002, 11:59 AM	#49 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	Shamster/Michaelk Two both excellent points, now Im really getting in a spin. but Im staying with Hartge, S gone in today should have some results wednesday 28th or maybe tomorrow. Thanks. Rasp.

Nov 25th, 2002, 01:53 PM	#50 (permalink)
M3NTAL Kev MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 137 Offline	As alluring as the JCW conversion seems, one shouldn't forget that Hartge also has a great deal of tuning expertise in the BMW scene. Dollar for dollar, the Hartge conversion makes far more sense with or without the warranty (to me anyhow).

Nov 25th, 2002, 02:32 PM	#51 (permalink)
Brain MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alabama Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 128 Offline	Waiting for word from Hartge I got an email from Herbert Hartge today. I live about an hour from their shop but am waiting to see if their kit will meet US standards. I'd hate to have a really fast Mini I could not bring back to the states with me. Brain MCS Liquid Yellow / Black

Nov 25th, 2002, 03:00 PM	#52 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 2,421 Offline	Re: Warranty Quote: Originally posted by rasp Michaelk. Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years. So your getting 12-15 more bhp and £1300.00 in your bin, the choice is yours. The JCW kit includes an exhaust modification though (I believe only a silencer?). Hamann offer a silencer for euro 1,300 and euro 2,600 for silencer, header and cat. Hartge is also working on exhaust modifications, they quoted euro 800 - 1000 for a silencer excl. fitting. That closes the gap between Hartge and JCW I'm sticking with Hartge though. Called the Dutch dealer last week, he's fitting the first kit in January and said I can have a test drive. If I like it he can do mine too As for the reputation of Hartge. Hartge is after Alpina the best respected BMW tuner in Germany. Rasp: remember to post your experiences with the Hartge kit, don't be like V12 and keep it all to your self. Some people out here are dying for a report

Nov 26th, 2002, 04:46 AM	#53 (permalink)
OnlyS4me Loves Leecey Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Broads Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 4,758 Offline	Re: Re: Warranty Quote: Originally posted by QQQ I'm sticking with Hartge though. Called the Dutch dealer last week, he's fitting the first kit in January and said I can have a test drive. If I like it he can do mine too That's good news E ! Don't forget to call me then, I will be glad to escort you . M

Nov 26th, 2002, 02:38 PM	#54 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	ITS DONE! Hi all! The conversion is done, firstly I would like to thank Birds staff for being so helpfull A really proffesional service they provide. The car really is in a different league now, it pulls in 6th like it used to pull in 5th just dabbing the throttle keeps you moving, revving now to 7500rpm exceleration is much improved although still very smooth (no times as yet) Kompressor sound is much more prominent now, wineing sounds great at higher revs, all in all it really is a 1st class job early days I know but I for one am very very impressed with the whole package and do also think that others have got there work cut out to better it. Rasp.

Nov 26th, 2002, 04:14 PM	#55 (permalink)
Shamster Lord of The Four Rings Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reminiscing Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 10,745 Offline	I said before that I have found the guys at Birds to be very professional and friendly. I took my 7 series to them rather than a BMW main dealer even though the prices were about the same. And of course Hartge is not some back street tuning house -its right up close to the top of the premier league. Good luck with your 'new' car Rasp. Would like to be kept up to date as I intend to look into Hartge again when my S comes in about 8 weeks time. 260909

Nov 26th, 2002, 06:14 PM	#56 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 08:15 PM Posts: 1,869 Offline	I'm Next My car goes in on thursday and am really looking forward to the extra poke. I'll post back with my thoughts, now, where's that road map, wish i'd got sat/nav! alan fae bonnie scotland

Nov 27th, 2002, 08:11 AM	#57 (permalink)
Shamster Lord of The Four Rings Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reminiscing Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 10,745 Offline	they're in an industrial estate just by a hump-backed bridge. Would suggest coming of the M40 at Uxbridge junction and then heading towards Iver Heath. I'm sure you'll have lots of fun and will be impressed by their 'more regular' fayre i.e BMW's. 260909

Nov 30th, 2002, 10:59 PM	#58 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MichaelK The main reason I gone down the JCW route is...TLC intact Is this definite? Global Moderator

Nov 30th, 2002, 11:37 PM	#59 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Re: Warranty Quote: Originally posted by rasp Yes Warranty will be void and yes Birds do there own warranty ; £400.00 aprox, for three years. But what does that warranty cover? My understanding was that doing any sort of modification to the engine voided the warranty on the whole car not just the engine. What's the official line? I'm very tempted to go the hartge route as I feel JCW are asking too much money for theirs. However, they do have the added advantage of it being fully covered by the BMW warranty and it also supposedly doesn't void TLC. Global Moderator

Dec 1st, 2002, 03:54 AM	#60 (permalink)
dinger TT or not TT Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tunbridge Wells,Kent Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 3,075 Offline	I do believe the John Cooper Works S conversion kit IS the only one that would keep the TLC in tact the reason for this is that the MINI dealerships are also going to be fitting these.

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