[Exbat]

Mini-madness.com is quoting $1,625.00 for their 200HP Stage 1 "S" package, which I believe includes SS exhaust, ECU upgrade and intake, all of which are relatively easy DIY bolt-ons. Some other vendors are offering 200HP packages for 2 and 3 times their price, and include cams and/or pulleys. Is 200HP not always 200HP?

[GordonD]

JCW just announced it's 200 hp package and its >$5,000 but keeps the BMW warrenty.

Given that these guys know more about minis than anyone else, and looking at the amount of stuff they are going to change - supercharger vains,heads, exhaust, ECU etc it's hard to see how someone can figure out a way to make 200 hp with less effort - time alone will tell

[suprchrgdmini]

JLM HAS THAT STUFF ON HIS CAR AND IT IS NOT NEAR 200 HP. SO I WOULD CHECK INTO THIS BEFORE BUYING.

[911ETR]

I have heard many rumors about the JCworks upgrades. These could be rumors so take them for what they are worth.

I heard that Dinan USA was going to use their supply network to sell JCW's products for MiniUSA. They looked at the product and refused to put their name on it. The price and quality was in question.

JCW decided to go in this alone with MiniUSA and MiniUSA is not happy with the Pricing since the mods included are very labor intensive and must be installed at the dealer.

I have heard in the last few days that they could not come to an agreement and the JCW packages available at the dealers have been put on hold, possibly indefinitely.


This is not a rumor:

I just talked to Dinan and they stated that they will have a Mini Cooper S kit out within the next 6 months.

I asked “Will this be factory backed”? They replied we will more than likely have the same warrantee with BMW as all the rest of our products. If the JCW package falls through it looks like Dinan will be in the running.

I am going down to Portland next week. George for Mini-Madness offered to let me drive his ride and go over and dyno it. We are also doing some testing of the Magnaflow exhaust for the S on .

From what I know about JLM's car is that he has a prototype exhaust that had to be cut and monkeyed with. I know he is not happy and understand totally. I have also heard about many other happy folks.

Grinder and I are really trying to put together a comprehensive list of all the manufactures of Modifications, packages and their claimed performance value.

Please check the link in our signature blocks.

[Exbat]

Thanks, especially 911ETR for that mods link. I'll be holding my breath for Dinan to have a decent offering (price/performance) by the time my number comes up. Since I'm in Portland I'm also interested in Mini-Madness' offerings - be interesting to see how your test drive goes, Bryan.

[911ETR]

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Thanks, especially 911ETR for that mods link. I'll be holding my breath for Dinan to have a decent offering (price/performance) by the time my number comes up. Since I'm in Portland I'm also interested in Mini-Madness' offerings - be interesting to see how your test drive goes, Bryan.

Well Grinder is the man that came up with the page. I am just helping with some data collection and ideas.

Check out the Magna flow thread if you have not already.

[Newbs49]

Guys what you heard about the JCW kit is true from what I've heard from a dealer-racer from the southeast who I will not mention with his permission.Before leaving for the SEMA show he heard the kit did not make the HP they stated for the money they wanted.BMW has kind of backed away until everything is up to the stated ratings.$$$ is also a big factor. What does the Dinan kit inclued.

[911ETR]

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What does the Dinan kit inclued

They were really secreative for some reason. They wouldnt really say. They did say that it is currently in R&D and would have Wheels too.

I for one am not waiting but may be swayed later if they have a head mod or something like this.

From my personal experience porting and Cams with forced induction are really worthless for all the trouble.

Its all about boost, intake, exhaust and intercooler. In that order. Spark always helps too. Maybe a high voltage NSD would help.

Cams are great in N/A cars.

[toofast]

your list does not have Supersprint info

I know most of that is avaliable from BMP designs!

Excellent work

I am very very interested but will wait and see how this all plays out

By the way Turner motor sports and Jim conforti will have a ECU mod in six months or so. if you are not familiar with Jims work He is one of the leading BMW tuners in the US

His work is top notch and I am willing to wait to see what he offers.

[Bad Ess]

There is not a lot of room to squeeze more out of the MCS. I think the designers were pretty good. It is not as simple as opening up the intake and exhaust. Several exhaust designs have only yielded more noise. JCW sees that the head has to be replaced. The way to go is increase the bore. More cc's

[911ETR]

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Originally posted by obehave


Did you mean MSD? Didn't know if NSD stood for something I didn't know about. Highly possible
If it's MSD then yea, me too. Good, effective HP without too much fuss.

Yea I fat fingered that one MSD!

[911ETR]

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Originally posted by Bad Ess
There is not a lot of room to squeeze more out of the MCS. I think the designers were pretty good. It is not as simple as opening up the intake and exhaust. Several exhaust designs have only yielded more noise. JCW sees that the head has to be replaced. The way to go is increase the bore. More cc's

You are right, without some other mods that produce more boost or larger pistons we are tapped. 205 is about it for the Intake, Exhaust and ECU.

We need to be in the 15-18PSI range to get 230-250.
Sooner or later someone will come out with a supercharger kit that gets better boost.

Wishing this was a turbo about now!

[911ETR]

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Originally posted by toofast
your list does not have Supersprint info

I know most of that is avaliable from BMP designs!

Excellent work

I am very very interested but will wait and see how this all plays out

By the way Turner motor sports and Jim conforti will have a ECU mod in six months or so. if you are not familiar with Jims work He is one of the leading BMW tuners in the US

His work is top notch and I am willing to wait to see what he offers.

I will work on the supersprint information. Grinder and I are trying very hard to keep this as current as possible. If you have valid data please e-mail it to me at MCSHP@hotmail.com

Thanks Everyone

[jlm]

in response to the rogue prototype I have been tweaking: a picture of the rogue prototype with my mods (the Y and mandrel bends) with the stock bends (cut out and sitting next to it)
Rogue is looking into upgrading their production units, they will get it right.

[911ETR]

JLM,

Great work, are they paying you? JK

Did you get the car on a dyno after the exhaust was installed?

[jlm]

we did a full day on the Helix dyno last week; the best my car did was with the rogue exhaust, but with the un-modded connector pipes. the Rogue exhaust and intake pulled 150hp at the wheels compared to 143 hp, stock intake and exhaust, other things being equal.

[911ETR]

JLM,

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we did a full day on the Helix dyno last week; the best my car did was with the rogue exhaust, but with the un-modded connector pipes. the Rogue exhaust and intake pulled 150hp at the wheels compared to 143 hp, stock intake and exhaust, other things being equal.

I though you had a ECU from George???

Do you have your dyno runs on .jpg?

[SSj4G60]

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Originally posted by 911ETR



From my personal experience porting and Cams with forced induction are really worthless for all the trouble.

Well from My experience porting and Cams can make a world of difference , i know a guy who only had a stg2 setup on his G60 (VW 1.8 8v S/C) which is just smaller pulley and chip and well w/ his own custom ported head he dynoed #s much higher than other G60s w/ Cams and other work. I know VR6s S/Cd gain from cams very well and w/ VRTs , It might be the fact G60s benefit from P&Ping b/c the stock head flows like crap after 5400 or so , but Porting and cams can and will make a difference , its not the Boost its the flow its like this dyno 2 turbo cars one w/ a T3 and another w/ a T3/T4 being the only difference have them dyno at same psi and the T3/T4 will have more power b/c it can flow more air