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James Haigh · Nov 29th, 2002, 11:15 AM

Get the Hartge conversion done by Birds at 1500 quid but don't fancy taking one up the batti from my insurance company (Being 21). Apparently the upgrade is nigh on dectectable so would I be stupid to do the obvious, bearing in mind I don't plan on wrapping it around a tree in the near future.
The thought of 212-215 bhp is making me feel inferior!!

rasp · Nov 29th, 2002, 12:27 PM

JH.

My original insurance ( £460.00 ) rose by £200.00 to £650.00
£200.00 very well spent in my view, Although the upgrade is virtualy undetectable Birds strongly advise you to inform your insurance company of the change, also it gives you that feeling of security god forbid if something did happen.
You have also got to think about your warranty and TLC that also becomes void if they trace it.
As for the upgrade, had it for a few days now and can honestly say is worth every penny, the car now is in a different league ( look at the Hartge 212-215bhp posts for more imfo )

Rasp.

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 1st, 2002, 02:00 PM

I also had mine done, a truly fantastic upgrade and well worth the money.

alan fae bonnie scotland

alexcroft · Dec 1st, 2002, 03:06 PM

Go for the works conversion, at least it's covered by BMW/Mini, you can always get the Hartge wheels and body work on top.

It's not cheap, but as you say, you're insuarance company will be happier with the JCW rather than the hartge.

minimc · Dec 1st, 2002, 03:16 PM

Just a thought...

Who of you have ever collected on an engine or transmission warranty? Most things that go bad typically are not covered under warranty - clutch, alternator, spark plugs, brake pads, rotors, etc.

If you're purchasing from a reputable tuner such as Hartage warranty really shouldn't be a concern.

alexcroft · Dec 1st, 2002, 03:20 PM

Quote:

If you're purchasing from a reputable tuner such as Hartage warranty really shouldn't be a concern.

I don't quite think BMW/Mini would agree with you!

Alex.

minimc · Dec 1st, 2002, 06:42 PM

Really? How surprising and unlikely.

Of course BMW/MINI would take this stance... regardless of which company one chose as tuner. Of course that IS... aside from JCW.

Did you come up with that inside information on your own or do you have a source within BMW/MINI?

What's the point of stating the obvious?

LMB · Dec 1st, 2002, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by minimc
What's the point of stating the obvious?

Easy now.

I'm sure James meant nothing by it.

alexcroft · Dec 2nd, 2002, 03:39 AM

ooooohhh touchy!!!

Defensive!! Guilty conscience over something?

you toss pot.

Alex.

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 2nd, 2002, 06:39 PM

Quote:

alexcroft wrote
It's not cheap, but as you say, you're insuarance company will be happier with the JCW rather than the hartge

Why will an insurance company be more happier with the JCW non existant conversion and how can you get a quote for it???

Quote:

alexcroft wrote
I don't quite think BMW/Mini would agree with you

My dealer was so impressed that i told him upfront what i was doing that they asked for a test drive and thought it was awesome, they are looking into getting their own car converted, oh and my warranty is intact as well!

alan fae confused bonnie scotland

LMB · Dec 2nd, 2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland
My dealer was so impressed that i told him upfront what i was doing that they asked for a test drive and thought it was awesome, they are looking into getting their own car converted, oh and my warranty is intact as well!

£1,500 you say....212BHP...hum..

The £2000 saving over a works is worth the risk alone. I've got to look into this one.

minimc · Dec 2nd, 2002, 07:39 PM

Quote:

[Why will an insurance company be more happier with the JCW non existant conversion and how can you get a quote for it???

alan fae confused bonnie scotland

Confused? Not likely. Diplomatic? Definitely

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:19 AM

Quote:

LMB Wrote
£1,500 you say....212BHP...hum

Don't forget to add VAT!!

Price = £1765.00 (ish)

alan fae bonnie scotland

MichaelK · Dec 3rd, 2002, 08:22 AM

Bonnie Scotland:

Warranty intact ! any modifications like the Hartage will void the warranty (unless MINI can't detect it or you purchased Birds/Hartages own)

The only way to keep warranty and TLC is JCW

On the insurance side of things, I think the JCW will be easier to insure as it should be classed as a standard car i.e they will have Cooper Works S on thier books, rather than having to insure your car as a modified Cooper S, IMHO

Cheers

Michael

LMB · Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelK
I think the JCW will be easier to insure as it should be classed as a standard car i.e they will have Cooper Works S on thier books

Really? Who told you that?

I know it's endorsed by BMW but surely as far as the insurance company is concerned it's a modified S.

LMB · Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland
Don't forget to add VAT!!

Price = £1765.00 (ish)

alan fae bonnie scotland

Ah yes..VAT

It's still not bad though.

MichaelK · Dec 4th, 2002, 04:56 AM

LMB:

The Works S is classed as a seperate car, not modified. If you phone up MINI insurance they have it down as the 'Works S', similarly they have the 'cooper works' as well. I think the information was only released a day or so ago.

I've not tried any other insurance companies yet, but I'm sure the info will trickle down to the other ones.

Now all I've got to do is phone round and get the car insured

Cheers

Michael

LMB · Dec 4th, 2002, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelK
LMB:

The Works S is classed as a seperate car, not modified. If you phone up MINI insurance they have it down as the 'Works S', similarly they have the 'cooper works' as well. I think the information was only released a day or so ago.

I've not tried any other insurance companies yet, but I'm sure the info will trickle down to the other ones.

Cool

...time to get a quote.

Nov 29th, 2002, 11:15 AM	#1
James Haigh MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sheffield, U.K Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 230 Offline	Very tempted to ....... Get the Hartge conversion done by Birds at 1500 quid but don't fancy taking one up the batti from my insurance company (Being 21). Apparently the upgrade is nigh on dectectable so would I be stupid to do the obvious, bearing in mind I don't plan on wrapping it around a tree in the near future. The thought of 212-215 bhp is making me feel inferior!! DS/Black Cooper S, Chilli pack, Full leather, Climate DSC, Clear lights and 212 ponies Hartge kit.

Nov 29th, 2002, 12:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 1,697 Offline	212-215 BHP JH. My original insurance ( £460.00 ) rose by £200.00 to £650.00 £200.00 very well spent in my view, Although the upgrade is virtualy undetectable Birds strongly advise you to inform your insurance company of the change, also it gives you that feeling of security god forbid if something did happen. You have also got to think about your warranty and TLC that also becomes void if they trace it. As for the upgrade, had it for a few days now and can honestly say is worth every penny, the car now is in a different league ( look at the Hartge 212-215bhp posts for more imfo ) Rasp.

Dec 1st, 2002, 02:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 1,961 Offline	Me Too I also had mine done, a truly fantastic upgrade and well worth the money. alan fae bonnie scotland

Dec 1st, 2002, 03:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
alexcroft MINI2 Master (Oh Wow!) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North London Local Time: 09:25 AM Posts: 599 Offline	James... Go for the works conversion, at least it's covered by BMW/Mini, you can always get the Hartge wheels and body work on top. It's not cheap, but as you say, you're insuarance company will be happier with the JCW rather than the hartge. Black and White Cooper here, soon to be an Electric Blue & White S, with the WORKS!!

Dec 1st, 2002, 03:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
alexcroft MINI2 Master (Oh Wow!) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North London Local Time: 09:25 AM Posts: 599 Offline	minimc said: Quote: If you're purchasing from a reputable tuner such as Hartage warranty really shouldn't be a concern. I don't quite think BMW/Mini would agree with you! Alex. Black and White Cooper here, soon to be an Electric Blue & White S, with the WORKS!!

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Dec 1st, 2002, 03:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
minimc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 04:25 AM Posts: 473 Offline	Just a thought... Who of you have ever collected on an engine or transmission warranty? Most things that go bad typically are not covered under warranty - clutch, alternator, spark plugs, brake pads, rotors, etc. If you're purchasing from a reputable tuner such as Hartage warranty really shouldn't be a concern.

Dec 1st, 2002, 06:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
minimc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 04:25 AM Posts: 473 Offline	Really? How surprising and unlikely. Of course BMW/MINI would take this stance... regardless of which company one chose as tuner. Of course that IS... aside from JCW. Did you come up with that inside information on your own or do you have a source within BMW/MINI? What's the point of stating the obvious?

Dec 1st, 2002, 07:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by minimc What's the point of stating the obvious? Easy now. I'm sure James meant nothing by it. Global Moderator

Dec 2nd, 2002, 03:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
alexcroft MINI2 Master (Oh Wow!) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North London Local Time: 09:25 AM Posts: 599 Offline	Minimc... ooooohhh touchy!!! Defensive!! Guilty conscience over something? you toss pot. Alex. Black and White Cooper here, soon to be an Electric Blue & White S, with the WORKS!!

Dec 2nd, 2002, 06:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 1,961 Offline	What JCW Quote: alexcroft wrote It's not cheap, but as you say, you're insuarance company will be happier with the JCW rather than the hartge Why will an insurance company be more happier with the JCW non existant conversion and how can you get a quote for it??? Quote: alexcroft wrote I don't quite think BMW/Mini would agree with you My dealer was so impressed that i told him upfront what i was doing that they asked for a test drive and thought it was awesome, they are looking into getting their own car converted, oh and my warranty is intact as well! alan fae confused bonnie scotland

Dec 2nd, 2002, 07:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Re: What JCW Quote: Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland My dealer was so impressed that i told him upfront what i was doing that they asked for a test drive and thought it was awesome, they are looking into getting their own car converted, oh and my warranty is intact as well! £1,500 you say....212BHP...hum.. The £2000 saving over a works is worth the risk alone. I've got to look into this one. Global Moderator

Dec 2nd, 2002, 07:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
minimc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 04:25 AM Posts: 473 Offline	Re: What JCW Quote: [Why will an insurance company be more happier with the JCW non existant conversion and how can you get a quote for it??? alan fae confused bonnie scotland Confused? Not likely. Diplomatic? Definitely

Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 1,961 Offline	Don't Forget Quote: LMB Wrote £1,500 you say....212BHP...hum Don't forget to add VAT!! Price = £1765.00 (ish) alan fae bonnie scotland

Dec 3rd, 2002, 08:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:25 AM Posts: 342 Offline	Bonnie Scotland: Warranty intact ! any modifications like the Hartage will void the warranty (unless MINI can't detect it or you purchased Birds/Hartages own) The only way to keep warranty and TLC is JCW On the insurance side of things, I think the JCW will be easier to insure as it should be classed as a standard car i.e they will have Cooper Works S on thier books, rather than having to insure your car as a modified Cooper S, IMHO Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MichaelK I think the JCW will be easier to insure as it should be classed as a standard car i.e they will have Cooper Works S on thier books Really? Who told you that? I know it's endorsed by BMW but surely as far as the insurance company is concerned it's a modified S. Global Moderator

Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Re: Don't Forget Quote: Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland Don't forget to add VAT!! Price = £1765.00 (ish) alan fae bonnie scotland Ah yes..VAT It's still not bad though. Global Moderator

Dec 4th, 2002, 04:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:25 AM Posts: 342 Offline	LMB: The Works S is classed as a seperate car, not modified. If you phone up MINI insurance they have it down as the 'Works S', similarly they have the 'cooper works' as well. I think the information was only released a day or so ago. I've not tried any other insurance companies yet, but I'm sure the info will trickle down to the other ones. Now all I've got to do is phone round and get the car insured Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Dec 4th, 2002, 03:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 10:25 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MichaelK LMB: The Works S is classed as a seperate car, not modified. If you phone up MINI insurance they have it down as the 'Works S', similarly they have the 'cooper works' as well. I think the information was only released a day or so ago. I've not tried any other insurance companies yet, but I'm sure the info will trickle down to the other ones. Cool...time to get a quote. Global Moderator

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