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helix13 · Dec 11th, 2002, 07:44 PM

otherwise I'm taking my dyno and going home!

jlm · Dec 11th, 2002, 08:22 PM

sounds like you haven't solved the exhaust gas problem yet Eric

macncheese · Dec 12th, 2002, 10:12 PM

One more question... is it ok to show up just to hang out? I really dont have the $50 to blow right before xmas and I've already baselined my car.

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Cheese

jlm · Dec 13th, 2002, 08:13 AM

cheese: do show up, you may be the only engineer among a bunch of Yunicks! it will be interesting, I can assure you of that. Helix is advertising it as an open house, with the option of dyno runs.

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Dec 13th, 2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jlm
cheese: do show up, you may be the only engineer among a bunch of Yunicks! it will be interesting, I can assure you of that. Helix is advertising it as an open house, with the option of dyno runs.

I'm an engineer as well:

Macncheese and I can geek out.

Grinder · Dec 13th, 2002, 01:28 PM

Whoa...just had a schedule change!! I might make it there after all! If I do come I'll probably come with an E39 M5, MCS, and maybe an E46 M3 (my friends

). What time are you guys planning on getting there?

stryder · Dec 13th, 2002, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grinder
Whoa...just had a schedule change!! I might make it there after all! If I do come I'll probably come with an E39 M5, MCS, and maybe an E46 M3 (my friends). What time are you guys planning on getting there?

You could just rent a car carrier, it'd be easier

jlivingood · Dec 15th, 2002, 03:39 PM

Nice seeing you folks at the dyno day. Could have been a bit warmer out but you can't have everything I guess. I departed early so I did not see other cars up on the dyno. Any interesting results?

You can see pics and AVIs from the day at my web site.

See ya

Jason

dpayne1 · Dec 15th, 2002, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jlivingood
Nice seeing you folks at the dyno day. Could have been a bit warmer out but you can't have everything I guess. I departed early so I did not see other cars up on the dyno. Any interesting results?

You can see pics and AVIs from the day at my web site.

See ya

Jason

When are you installing that Quaife in the pictures from your dyno day?

David

jlm · Dec 16th, 2002, 12:11 AM

he's not; but I am.

dpayne1 · Dec 16th, 2002, 12:23 AM

Cool

Have you sorted out the install details yet? I'm very curious about where to get that done...

David

jlivingood · Dec 16th, 2002, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dpayne1
Have you sorted out the install details yet? I'm very curious about where to get that done...

Shouldn't be too hard, should it? I mean it is just a differential right? I know when I had a Quaife installed on my VW Corrado VR6, it was not a terrible operation. I happened to need a new clutch at that time and chose to have a new one installed. In addition, I had my transmission rebuilt at that time as well but then I had 100,000 miles on the motor at that time.

Since the MCS is nearly factory fresh I'd think you could keep the stock clutch and not touch the tranny (wrt rebuilding it). Depending upon the power the clutch is ultimately rated for you may want an upgraded one. The only other thing some people seem to do when they are in there is to pull the flywheel and lighten that.

A Quaife is a wonderful, wonderful thing!

Jason

minhi · Dec 16th, 2002, 07:55 PM

ahem, how about some numbers for what people were hitting on the dyno?

jlm · Dec 16th, 2002, 09:00 PM

here is a repeat posting of my readings for 11/14 and 12/14:

Evotech chip, rogue intake and exhaust, 16" OZ Superleggera, Toyo T1. car has sunroof, nav, stereo with 25 lbs of dynamat!. Weight was with 165 lb driver, 1/4 tank gas and measured on a scale, not estimated. The tires and exhaust lose about 75 lbs from stock.

bigbaddaboom · Dec 17th, 2002, 06:31 AM

I notice on the dyno report it states the weight as 2675 lbs. Is that an estimate or the actual measured weight? If it is measured then what is the spec of your car?...i.e. sunroof, wheels, aircon, etc. thanks!

retroom · Dec 18th, 2002, 03:10 AM

JLM,

Did your results go down from the baseline test or am I reading the chart wrong?

retroom

jlm · Dec 18th, 2002, 08:01 AM

the results on 12/14 were lower in value than on 11/14, however, you must bear in mind that ambient conditions were considerably different. The relevant information is that the curves are so similar and the numbers for 12/14 were very close to the numbers other cars measured the same day.

since my car had considerable mods and it is making virtually the same hp as the two stock cars, the conclusion seems to be that the mods are doing nothing.

It is also possible that the dyno is somehow producing the notch and maybe skewing all the results, however the curve similarity between 11/14 1nd 12/14 and the similarity of the stock runs seems to indicate the numbers are valuable for comparison.

friedduck · Dec 18th, 2002, 11:28 AM

Quote:

since my car had considerable mods and it is making virtually the same hp as the two stock cars, the conclusion seems to be that the mods are doing nothing.

John,

Would you care to elaborate on the mods you currently have? I'd like to get an intake & exhaust, but not if there's no payoff. Thanks for any info.

Jeff

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jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	sounds like you haven't solved the exhaust gas problem yet Eric john

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jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	cheese: do show up, you may be the only engineer among a bunch of Yunicks! it will be interesting, I can assure you of that. Helix is advertising it as an open house, with the option of dyno runs. john

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Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 05:12 PM Posts: 1,324 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by jlm cheese: do show up, you may be the only engineer among a bunch of Yunicks! it will be interesting, I can assure you of that. Helix is advertising it as an open house, with the option of dyno runs. I'm an engineer as well: Macncheese and I can geek out. '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

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Grinder Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northern VA. Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,118 Offline	Whoa...just had a schedule change!! I might make it there after all! If I do come I'll probably come with an E39 M5, MCS, and maybe an E46 M3 (my friends). What time are you guys planning on getting there? Whatever.

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Dec 12th, 2002, 10:12 PM	#23 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:12 PM Posts: 1,212 Offline	One more question... is it ok to show up just to hang out? I really dont have the $50 to blow right before xmas and I've already baselined my car. -- Cheese

Dec 15th, 2002, 03:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
jlivingood MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA, US Local Time: 09:12 PM Posts: 808 Offline	Good time Nice seeing you folks at the dyno day. Could have been a bit warmer out but you can't have everything I guess. I departed early so I did not see other cars up on the dyno. Any interesting results? You can see pics and AVIs from the day at my web site. See ya Jason Jason Livingood \| personal web site 2002 DS/W MINI Cooper S Thank you for signing my rear fog light petition. Now we have rear fogs! :-)

Dec 15th, 2002, 10:57 PM	#29 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 86 Offline	Re: Good time Quote: Originally posted by jlivingood Nice seeing you folks at the dyno day. Could have been a bit warmer out but you can't have everything I guess. I departed early so I did not see other cars up on the dyno. Any interesting results? You can see pics and AVIs from the day at my web site. See ya Jason When are you installing that Quaife in the pictures from your dyno day? David

Dec 16th, 2002, 12:11 AM	#30 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	he's not; but I am. john

Dec 16th, 2002, 12:23 AM	#31 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 86 Offline	re: Dyno Day Cool Have you sorted out the install details yet? I'm very curious about where to get that done... David

Dec 16th, 2002, 10:58 AM	#32 (permalink)
jlivingood MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA, US Local Time: 09:12 PM Posts: 808 Offline	Re: re: Dyno Day Quote: Originally posted by dpayne1 Have you sorted out the install details yet? I'm very curious about where to get that done... Shouldn't be too hard, should it? I mean it is just a differential right? I know when I had a Quaife installed on my VW Corrado VR6, it was not a terrible operation. I happened to need a new clutch at that time and chose to have a new one installed. In addition, I had my transmission rebuilt at that time as well but then I had 100,000 miles on the motor at that time. Since the MCS is nearly factory fresh I'd think you could keep the stock clutch and not touch the tranny (wrt rebuilding it). Depending upon the power the clutch is ultimately rated for you may want an upgraded one. The only other thing some people seem to do when they are in there is to pull the flywheel and lighten that. A Quaife is a wonderful, wonderful thing! Jason Jason Livingood \| personal web site 2002 DS/W MINI Cooper S Thank you for signing my rear fog light petition. Now we have rear fogs! :-)

Dec 16th, 2002, 07:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
minhi MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Washington DC Local Time: 09:12 PM Posts: 472 Offline	ahem, how about some numbers for what people were hitting on the dyno?

Dec 16th, 2002, 09:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	here is a repeat posting of my readings for 11/14 and 12/14: Evotech chip, rogue intake and exhaust, 16" OZ Superleggera, Toyo T1. car has sunroof, nav, stereo with 25 lbs of dynamat!. Weight was with 165 lb driver, 1/4 tank gas and measured on a scale, not estimated. The tires and exhaust lose about 75 lbs from stock. Attached Thumbnails john Last edited by jlm : Dec 17th, 2002 at 08:00 AM.

Dec 17th, 2002, 06:31 AM	#35 (permalink)
bigbaddaboom MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 1,291 Offline	I notice on the dyno report it states the weight as 2675 lbs. Is that an estimate or the actual measured weight? If it is measured then what is the spec of your car?...i.e. sunroof, wheels, aircon, etc. thanks!

Dec 18th, 2002, 03:10 AM	#36 (permalink)
retroom MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, Ca. Local Time: 01:12 PM Posts: 559 Offline	Not a good Dyno showing JLM, Did your results go down from the baseline test or am I reading the chart wrong? retroom 2003 MC,LY/W, sport package, wht wheels, cruise, chrome, Kaleido cloth/black, OB computer

Dec 18th, 2002, 08:01 AM	#37 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:12 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	the results on 12/14 were lower in value than on 11/14, however, you must bear in mind that ambient conditions were considerably different. The relevant information is that the curves are so similar and the numbers for 12/14 were very close to the numbers other cars measured the same day. since my car had considerable mods and it is making virtually the same hp as the two stock cars, the conclusion seems to be that the mods are doing nothing. It is also possible that the dyno is somehow producing the notch and maybe skewing all the results, however the curve similarity between 11/14 1nd 12/14 and the similarity of the stock runs seems to indicate the numbers are valuable for comparison. john

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friedduck MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Local Time: 05:12 PM Posts: 248 Offline	Quote: since my car had considerable mods and it is making virtually the same hp as the two stock cars, the conclusion seems to be that the mods are doing nothing. John, Would you care to elaborate on the mods you currently have? I'd like to get an intake & exhaust, but not if there's no payoff. Thanks for any info. Jeff

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