[suprchrgdmini]

Has anyone installed this on there S.If you have did you feel a big difference. I want to get it, i have the borla exhaust.

[minhi]

i've been debating this too. my angle is that it would be wasted if i wasn't planning additional work on the car. I think the header + new cat/exhaust will open up more potential in the car.

I'm waiting to see what BMP does "next" with the supersprint system as a base.

[911ETR]

Dont know about the BMP but Mini-Madness told me that they are working on a real nice one and it should be available soon.

[suprchrgdmini]

Im not to thrilled about the mini-madness stuff. especially there prices. I want to stick with bmp.

[jlm]

super: I pm'd you.

[911ETR]

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Originally posted by suprchrgdmini
Im not to thrilled about the mini-madness stuff. especially there prices. I want to stick with bmp.

I have not had any issues with Mini Madness's prices its Mini Mania that is super high. Is that what you mean or if not what is high?

[suprchrgdmini]

Spoke to them once and they dont offer any discount to companies. Also $ 800.00 for a computer upgrade is just ridiculous. Also from what ive seen on cars there stuff doesnt perform like they say.

[911ETR]

With all due respect I have done allot of research on this subject. See www.mcshp.org and in my opinion I have found the opposite. All with the exception of the deals with companies you talked about. I do not have knowledge of this with Mini Madness.

The MM stage I ECU is 750.00 which is the cheapest I have found as a stand alone ECU. See my web page. If you know of a better deal with better numbers please tell.

I have actually tested myself the Mini-madness intake and it posted exactly the numbers advertised. I have yet seen the ECU however I have heard great things from people who actually had the correct base maps installed prior to the ECU upgrade. You will have poor results with any ECU software update unless you have the latest base ECU map from MINI.

I have also personally tested the BMP intake and I can tell you it did not post its boasted 12.9 hp gain. I can also tell you that the size of the BMP filter is about 40% smaller in comparison.

I will be posting all of the results and proof on the web page soon after I confirm these results with one more pass on the dyno just to be sure.

It seems that you are sold on BMP and that is fine with me but I don’t see how your arguments hold water.

By the way I have nothing to do with any of these companies.

[macncheese]

Quote:

Originally posted by 911ETR

I have also personally tested the BMP intake and I can tell you it did not post its boasted 12.9 hp gain. I can also tell you that the size of the BMP filter is about 40% smaller in comparison.

40% is alot of percent. Do you think that filter size is responsible for the difference in power?

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Cheese

[911ETR]

suprchrgdmini,

I noticed that in your signature block you mention you are waiting on a pulley upgrade. I just also want to warn you that this is a really bad idea as a lone upgrade. I have talked to many companies out there including Dinan, M7Speed and Ingram Engineering and Labs and MINI service. You WILL have cooling issues if you only address the pulley change. The water pump is also driven by that pulley and testing has proven overheat issues and blown head gaskets. When you create more boost you inject more air in the system. There are many reports of this already starting to happen in Europe with companies that have done this.

Just a heads up and FYI and I hope if you do have this done it is in conjunction with preventive coolant measures to ensure engine longevity.

Best regards,

[911ETR]

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Originally posted by macncheese


40% is alot of percent. Do you think that filter size is responsible for the difference in power?

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Cheese

Absolutely, the more air flow the better the numbers. The BMP filter was an inexpensive alternative. Remember you always pay for what you get and at 169.00 that what you get. I would like to see BMP revise this product.

I will also have pics of both filters side by side for you all to see.

[macncheese]

Quote:

Originally posted by 911ETR


Absolutely, the more air flow the better the numbers. The BMP filter was an inexpensive alternative. Remember you always pay for what you get and at 169.00 that what you get. I would like to see BMP revise this product.

I will also have pics of both filters side by side for you all to see.

I'd be interested in seeing those pictures.

[macncheese]

Quote:

Originally posted by 911ETR
suprchrgdmini,

I noticed that in your signature block you mention you are waiting on a pulley upgrade. I just also want to warn you that this is a really bad idea as a lone upgrade. I have talked to many companies out there including Dinan, M7Speed and Ingram Engineering and Labs and MINI service. You WILL have cooling issues if you only address the pulley change. The water pump is also driven by that pulley and testing has proven overheat issues and blown head gaskets. When you create more boost you inject more air in the system. There are many reports of this already starting to happen in Europe with companies that have done this.

Just a heads up and FYI and I hope if you do have this done it is in conjunction with preventive coolant measures to ensure engine longevity.

Best regards,

by "inject more air into the system," do you mean the cooling system?

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Cheese

[gowest]

911ETR & obehave,

Putting the BMP filter in the Rogue box sounds like a good test. If I remember correctly BlueThunder/BMP posted that they had tested a number of filters to come up with what worked best in their box. The Rogue filter could easily be to big for the BMP box though as the Rogue uses the hood as the top of the box, so the Rogue at least has more room in that direction.

[macncheese]

Quote:

Originally posted by gowest
911ETR & obehave,

Putting the BMP filter in the Rogue box sounds like a good test. If I remember correctly BlueThunder/BMP posted that they had tested a number of filters to come up with what worked best in their box. The Rogue filter could easily be to big for the BMP box though as the Rogue uses the hood as the top of the box, so the Rogue at least has more room in that direction.

I think I remember Al saying they modified the BMP so that the strutbar fit... I dont think that the rogue intake works with a strutbar. Not that I care about a strutbar, but if you're into that sort of thing, theres why the BMP filter is smaller?


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Cheese

[DaveNagy]

911ETR wrote:

Quote:

The water pump is also driven by that pulley and testing has proven overheat issues and blown head gaskets.

Interesting. Do you have links to this "proof"? I'd be interested in reading about those results. Intuitively, I wouldn't expect the results to be so dire. The RPM increases should only be on the order of 10%, which one would hope would be within the operating margins of the water pump and cooling system. (The pump would still be in spec whenever engine RPMs were below 6000, and only 10% out of spec at redline.)

If you don't have a link, can you paraphrase the issues that were encountered? Outright pump failure? Cavitation? Non-linear increases in the system's back pressure? Barring this sort of "abrupt" failure, a modest increase in waterpump speed should serve to increase cooling effectiveness at most engine RPMs, not impede it.

Wait, perhaps I misread your comment. Increasing boost without making appropriate engine management changes could easily lead to an over-lean condition and engine meltdown. As you say, changing the pulley "by itself" would be crazy. Was this the culprit? If so, that would be seperate from any issues arising from an overdriven waterpump.

-Dave

[suprchrgdmini]

911
My friend put the rogue intake on his car and it did absolutely nothing.We put the BMP intake in the car and it made a huge difference. We race our cars almost every week at the track.BMP has a computer upgrade that cost less than half of the price of the minimadness one. i am also waiting for the BMP supercharger upgrade. They are designing it to make more boost and keep the same pulley. I know everyone has there opionions and companies they like. Taking to al at BMP he knows his stuff and has been doing this for a long time.The BMP camp is going to have a big surprise come feb-march.

[minhi]

i'm also leaning towards stuff from BMP. They just seem to be going towards the complete package. First it was the intake, then the header, then the exhaust now the engine upgrades. To me it seems like they have a cohesive plan in place for adding power to the car. That just makes me feel better.


I know some people have gotten poor dyno results with the BMP but that's also true of the Rogue Intake. So buy what you like/believe in and enjoy your car. In the end we all drive the same car!

[Casey]

Both jlm saying the rogue was better and superchrgdmini have confirmed what I believe. jlm did the bmp first, and superchrgdmini did the rogue first. Well the car takes time to adapt to this...maybe only a few moments, maybe longer, not quite sure, but there is a time frame of adaptation. By doing one first you get some slightly better airflow that the ecu is adjusting to...then putting on the other...it adjusts more...so obviously the later will have more power. I would suggest putting back on the stock unit between comparisions. Additionally I would monitor both the entrance and exit plumes(sp?) on the intercooler as in talking with Al at BMP has said makes a HUGE difference. I know jlm did some measurements of temps etc but can't remember off hand if he tested both those temps as well as the temp of the air in the intake. I have a rogue intake on my car and it is nice, no complaints, but I will be switching to BMP on my new S coming in april from the standpoint of the whole package solutions they are working on....if you want to see some great upgrades...WATCH BMP...they have some AMAZING things in the works and anyone here that is power hunger...WATCH EVEN CLOSER

Cheers
Casey

[Davbret]

Hmm...not sure where you all are coming from. Madness has an ecu, exhaust, intake available. Lots of suspension mods. They are working on a header and other goodies. No different than BMP. What irked me about BMP (aside from DISMAL performance on the dyno..and before you nay-sayers get going, I had the BMP on my car for several days prior to the dyno...and it made junk power compared to the Rogue) was the quality. Thin, scratched up "heat shield" with a poor battery clip, and ill fitting seal. Cheap filter. Blah. Not to mention customer quality. Bought the product online and didn't get a confirmation email for over one week. Then got another email 2 weeks later saying the product was delayed. So it took them 3 WEEKS to tell me the product wouldn't be available for shipment. That is totally unacceptible. That alone deterred me from BMP, and the dyno proof was the icing on the cake.

Madness has been incredible to me and I can't complain about any of their products.

Badmouth all you want when you have proof in your hand. But if you are going on the assumption that since BMP is "known" that you'll get better products...well, I've got a bridge to sell you.

R