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M3NTAL Kev · Nov 18th, 2003, 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by PYUGALA

I emailed Quaife Engineering yesterday and here is the answer:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your enquiry.

A/A+ Series Mini - QDF14K4 @ ฃ450 GBP + Delivery

or

6 Speed Getrag (BMW Mini) - QDF38Z1M @ ฃ495 GBP + Delivery

Neither of the above Quaife ATB Differentials require any modifications to the housing before fitting. It is worth replacing the bearings when replacing the diff, but we do not supply those, as it is easier (and cheaper) for you to buy them locally.

Should you have any further questions, please contact us

Kind Regards

Sales@Quaife

So is this for sure? Does part number, QDF38Z1M, fit into the transmission casing without any modifications?

yuwei · Nov 20th, 2003, 02:47 AM

Hi,
I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise.
Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out?
Please help!!!
That noise really drive me crazy.......
Thanks everyone!!

TonyB · Nov 20th, 2003, 05:15 AM

You are not alone. A few others have expressed the same. Right or wrong, it appears to be not uncommon... With that said, if it is driving you crazy, maybe what you are hearing is different. If you haven't already done so, ask the guys at the shop where you had the work done. Good luck.

Bilbo Baggins · Jan 31st, 2004, 04:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by yuwei

Hi,
I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise.
Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out?
Please help!!!
That noise really drive me crazy.......
Thanks everyone!!

Are you sure that the spacing/shimming of the ring & pinnion gear is correct? If that is off it will be noisey. Did the installer use "Plastic-gauge" to check the mesh of the ring & pinnion?

PMello · Feb 1st, 2004, 03:12 PM

Any recommended installers in the North East (US)?? I'm doing some more autoXing this year and this seems like a mod that will pay off. It also will help with next winter's driving. I live in the RI area. Driving down to Pennsilvania would not be a problem.

jlm · Feb 1st, 2004, 03:57 PM

Helix in Philly did mine and several others

agiduda · Feb 1st, 2004, 04:17 PM

In the past I've heard of some quality inconsistencies and some people ending up with a noisy unit (on RX-7s). How are all the existing MCS/Quaife users doing in this regard? I'm willing to have it done but don't want a noisy diff.

gowest · Feb 1st, 2004, 09:59 PM

There is a slightly different noise to mine, I don't know that I'd even call it louder, just different and not bad. Get a good instal, go to Helix!

sadales · Feb 1st, 2004, 10:16 PM

Helix did mine as well, on a 2003 MCS. No noise, and the folks at Helix were great. For the record, I also drove to Philly from Indianapolis to have the work done. I'm not the least bit sorry I did it.

Scott
90SM

Penguinracer · Oct 6th, 2004, 12:15 PM

I had the Quaife fitted to my car here in the UK in June '04 (I live in the same town as the Quaife factory so I bought it direct) and NO MACHINING was required - it went straight in. No noise, no vibration - no problems! I bought my Quaife in December '03, so it may be a little different to some of the earlier versions - I don't know.

It may be that the earlier versions of the Quaife were identical to that used in the Focus RS and that later Quaife made some changes for the Mini because of the fitment problems. It's interesting to note that the Quaife part numbers for the Mini & the Focus are the same except that the Mini version has an "M" suffix - QDF38Z1 vs QDF38Z1M.

There's no doubt that it's an expensive and time consuming job. I'd bet on 20 - 24 hours labour to remove the engine, transmission, install the diff (you might as well do the flywheel while you're in there!) and get the whole kit & caboodle together again. May be a mechanic with a lot of mini engine removal experience would be quicker, but my guys hadn't done one before and being used to working on racing Aston Martins and other '60's stuff, they found things fairly fiddly!

ModoMini · Oct 6th, 2004, 12:55 PM

Whoa (20 hrs)? Shop I used to work for charged a standard rate of 13 hrs for the Quaiffe install and usually had it done sooner.
If your doing it yourself, then yes 20+ hrs would be appropriate.

S2000&CooperS · Oct 6th, 2004, 08:04 PM

For those who had it done at Helix, how long did it take?

Penguinracer · Oct 8th, 2004, 08:58 AM

You guys in the States have to realise that we're having to contend with the British tradesman's work ethic here. What is a 20 hour job in the UK is probably a 12 hour job Stateside. By the time our mechanics have made a cup of tea, realised some parts are missing, told no one about it, figured out that they have the wrong tools, chatted to their co-worker about the football, had another cup of tea, told their boss some parts are missing, had another cup of tea, whinged about the weather etc... get the picture! I'm a Kiwi who's been living here many years, but I have never found a mechanic like those back home - guys with a "can do" attitude. Guys who can improvise, fabricate and manufacture parts in their workshop in no time flat! This all comes from New Zealand's remoteness and the need to make parts to avoid the long delays and high prices of imported parts.Everytime I get a car back from mechanics here it is late, over budget and the work of a poor standard. When questioned the mechanics open their big book of excuses - it is truly unbelieveable! My Mini has been off the road for five months due to the incompetence of the guys working on it! And that's two differnet shops - so it's not just an isolated problem! Don't get me going on franchised dealers - they're just fitters! Bottom line - 12-16 man hours is probably nearer the mark.

supercoopers · Oct 8th, 2004, 12:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinracer

You guys in the States have to realise that we're having to contend with the British tradesman's work ethic here. What is a 20 hour job in the UK is probably a 12 hour job Stateside. By the time our mechanics have made a cup of tea, realised some parts are missing, told no one about it, figured out that they have the wrong tools, chatted to their co-worker about the football, had another cup of tea, told their boss some parts are missing, had another cup of tea, whinged about the weather etc... get the picture! I'm a Kiwi who's been living here many years, but I have never found a mechanic like those back home - guys with a "can do" attitude. Guys who can improvise, fabricate and manufacture parts in their workshop in no time flat! This all comes from New Zealand's remoteness and the need to make parts to avoid the long delays and high prices of imported parts.Everytime I get a car back from mechanics here it is late, over budget and the work of a poor standard. When questioned the mechanics open their big book of excuses - it is truly unbelieveable! My Mini has been off the road for five months due to the incompetence of the guys working on it! And that's two differnet shops - so it's not just an isolated problem! Don't get me going on franchised dealers - they're just fitters! Bottom line - 12-16 man hours is probably nearer the mark.

The above is sooo true penguinracer. I LOVED the high standards of workmanship and overt enthusiasm of people in America when I lived there a few years back. This is one of the reasons why I shall be returning to the states again in about 2 years time

Henry (British born and bred before anyone asks)

obehave · Oct 8th, 2004, 01:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers

The above is sooo true penguinracer. I LOVED the high standards of workmanship and overt enthusiasm of people in America when I lived there a few years back. This is one of the reasons why I shall be returning to the states again in about 2 years time

Henry (British born and bred before anyone asks)

You obviously didn't go to my dealership

Thanks
We're lucky to get 2 weeks a year of vacation though

And we're pretty good at bi'chin at work too.

S2000&CooperS · Oct 8th, 2004, 02:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

You obviously didn't go to my dealership

Thanks
We're lucky to get 2 weeks a year of vacation though

And we're pretty good at bi'chin at work too.

LOL Yeah, some of the dealerships here can take a long time too and/or not get it right the first time.

My company added a 3rd week of vacation this year which has been nice

.

obehave · Oct 8th, 2004, 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by S2000&CooperS

LOL Yeah, some of the dealerships here can take a long time too and/or not get it right the first time.

My company added a 3rd week of vacation this year which has been nice

.

After 14 years and my 4th Gov't contract job I finally got my 3rd week.

Now if I could only get to use it

Bisch · Oct 8th, 2004, 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

After 14 years and my 4th Gov't contract job I finally got my 3rd week.

Now if I could only get to use it

I took an 8 day vacation in January of 1995! That was my last vacation. Since then, I have worked 6 days a week (sometimes 7). The last time I took even two days off in a row was October 11-12, 2002. My son was born on Oct.11.

I'm freakin' exhausted.

GARY GP · Jan 26th, 2006, 08:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HI-MINI

For those who already got the quaife, please post update if you blew a gear or if you've got excellent results.

hello i v got 270bhp but with no quaife it will stand still smoking!!!! (wheel spinn) thanks.

GARY GP · Jan 26th, 2006, 08:11 PM

[quote=yuwei]Hi,
I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise.
Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out?
Please help!!!
That noise really drive me crazy.......
Thanks everyone!![/QUOTE ]hi, have you had a race fly wheel fitted (or h duty
clutch.thanks,

Nov 20th, 2003, 05:15 AM	#63 (permalink)
TonyB Don MINIo Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: South Bay Area, CA Local Time: 02:15 PM Posts: 1,669 Offline	You are not alone. A few others have expressed the same. Right or wrong, it appears to be not uncommon... With that said, if it is driving you crazy, maybe what you are hearing is different. If you haven't already done so, ask the guys at the shop where you had the work done. Good luck. '03 (9.6.02) MCS IB/W Lapis Blue Leather Mission = 10:1 (Weight:HP)

Jan 31st, 2004, 04:36 AM	#64 (permalink)
Bilbo Baggins MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Shire, Middle Earth Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 8,852 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by yuwei Hi, I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise. Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out? Please help!!! That noise really drive me crazy....... Thanks everyone!! Are you sure that the spacing/shimming of the ring & pinnion gear is correct? If that is off it will be noisey. Did the installer use "Plastic-gauge" to check the mesh of the ring & pinnion? Motor on, Dudes and Dudettes!!! '06 MCS SB/S '02 MCS DS/W (retired)

Feb 1st, 2004, 03:57 PM	#66 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 1,072 Offline	Helix in Philly did mine and several others john

Feb 1st, 2004, 09:59 PM	#68 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 208 Offline	There is a slightly different noise to mine, I don't know that I'd even call it louder, just different and not bad. Get a good instal, go to Helix! 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Oct 6th, 2004, 12:15 PM	#70 (permalink)
Penguinracer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 61 Offline	Quaife Fitment I had the Quaife fitted to my car here in the UK in June '04 (I live in the same town as the Quaife factory so I bought it direct) and NO MACHINING was required - it went straight in. No noise, no vibration - no problems! I bought my Quaife in December '03, so it may be a little different to some of the earlier versions - I don't know. It may be that the earlier versions of the Quaife were identical to that used in the Focus RS and that later Quaife made some changes for the Mini because of the fitment problems. It's interesting to note that the Quaife part numbers for the Mini & the Focus are the same except that the Mini version has an "M" suffix - QDF38Z1 vs QDF38Z1M. There's no doubt that it's an expensive and time consuming job. I'd bet on 20 - 24 hours labour to remove the engine, transmission, install the diff (you might as well do the flywheel while you're in there!) and get the whole kit & caboodle together again. May be a mechanic with a lot of mini engine removal experience would be quicker, but my guys hadn't done one before and being used to working on racing Aston Martins and other '60's stuff, they found things fairly fiddly!

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Nov 18th, 2003, 06:35 PM	#61
M3NTAL Kev MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 137 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by PYUGALA I emailed Quaife Engineering yesterday and here is the answer: Dear Sir, Thank you for your enquiry. A/A+ Series Mini - QDF14K4 @ ฃ450 GBP + Delivery or 6 Speed Getrag (BMW Mini) - QDF38Z1M @ ฃ495 GBP + Delivery Neither of the above Quaife ATB Differentials require any modifications to the housing before fitting. It is worth replacing the bearings when replacing the diff, but we do not supply those, as it is easier (and cheaper) for you to buy them locally. Should you have any further questions, please contact us Kind Regards Sales@Quaife So is this for sure? Does part number, QDF38Z1M, fit into the transmission casing without any modifications?

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Nov 20th, 2003, 02:47 AM	#62 (permalink)
yuwei MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Taipei Local Time: 05:15 AM Posts: 4 Offline	Hi, I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise. Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out? Please help!!! That noise really drive me crazy....... Thanks everyone!!

Feb 1st, 2004, 03:12 PM	#65 (permalink)
PMello MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Middletown, RI Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 40 Offline	Any recommended installers in the North East (US)?? I'm doing some more autoXing this year and this seems like a mod that will pay off. It also will help with next winter's driving. I live in the RI area. Driving down to Pennsilvania would not be a problem.

Feb 1st, 2004, 04:17 PM	#67 (permalink)
agiduda work, work, work... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Berlin, MA Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 185 Offline	In the past I've heard of some quality inconsistencies and some people ending up with a noisy unit (on RX-7s). How are all the existing MCS/Quaife users doing in this regard? I'm willing to have it done but don't want a noisy diff.

Feb 1st, 2004, 10:16 PM	#69 (permalink)
sadales MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 46 Offline	Helix did mine as well, on a 2003 MCS. No noise, and the folks at Helix were great. For the record, I also drove to Philly from Indianapolis to have the work done. I'm not the least bit sorry I did it. Scott 90SM

Oct 6th, 2004, 12:55 PM	#71 (permalink)
ModoMini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 267 Offline	Whoa (20 hrs)? Shop I used to work for charged a standard rate of 13 hrs for the Quaiffe install and usually had it done sooner. If your doing it yourself, then yes 20+ hrs would be appropriate. Mark -'04 Cooper S MC40

Oct 6th, 2004, 08:04 PM	#72 (permalink)
S2000&CooperS MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Glen Allen, VA USA Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 936 Offline	For those who had it done at Helix, how long did it take?

Oct 8th, 2004, 08:58 AM	#73 (permalink)
Penguinracer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 61 Offline	Quaife Install Time You guys in the States have to realise that we're having to contend with the British tradesman's work ethic here. What is a 20 hour job in the UK is probably a 12 hour job Stateside. By the time our mechanics have made a cup of tea, realised some parts are missing, told no one about it, figured out that they have the wrong tools, chatted to their co-worker about the football, had another cup of tea, told their boss some parts are missing, had another cup of tea, whinged about the weather etc... get the picture! I'm a Kiwi who's been living here many years, but I have never found a mechanic like those back home - guys with a "can do" attitude. Guys who can improvise, fabricate and manufacture parts in their workshop in no time flat! This all comes from New Zealand's remoteness and the need to make parts to avoid the long delays and high prices of imported parts.Everytime I get a car back from mechanics here it is late, over budget and the work of a poor standard. When questioned the mechanics open their big book of excuses - it is truly unbelieveable! My Mini has been off the road for five months due to the incompetence of the guys working on it! And that's two differnet shops - so it's not just an isolated problem! Don't get me going on franchised dealers - they're just fitters! Bottom line - 12-16 man hours is probably nearer the mark.

Oct 8th, 2004, 12:54 PM	#74 (permalink)
supercoopers MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 537 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Penguinracer You guys in the States have to realise that we're having to contend with the British tradesman's work ethic here. What is a 20 hour job in the UK is probably a 12 hour job Stateside. By the time our mechanics have made a cup of tea, realised some parts are missing, told no one about it, figured out that they have the wrong tools, chatted to their co-worker about the football, had another cup of tea, told their boss some parts are missing, had another cup of tea, whinged about the weather etc... get the picture! I'm a Kiwi who's been living here many years, but I have never found a mechanic like those back home - guys with a "can do" attitude. Guys who can improvise, fabricate and manufacture parts in their workshop in no time flat! This all comes from New Zealand's remoteness and the need to make parts to avoid the long delays and high prices of imported parts.Everytime I get a car back from mechanics here it is late, over budget and the work of a poor standard. When questioned the mechanics open their big book of excuses - it is truly unbelieveable! My Mini has been off the road for five months due to the incompetence of the guys working on it! And that's two differnet shops - so it's not just an isolated problem! Don't get me going on franchised dealers - they're just fitters! Bottom line - 12-16 man hours is probably nearer the mark. The above is sooo true penguinracer. I LOVED the high standards of workmanship and overt enthusiasm of people in America when I lived there a few years back. This is one of the reasons why I shall be returning to the states again in about 2 years time Henry (British born and bred before anyone asks)

Oct 8th, 2004, 01:06 PM	#75 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers The above is sooo true penguinracer. I LOVED the high standards of workmanship and overt enthusiasm of people in America when I lived there a few years back. This is one of the reasons why I shall be returning to the states again in about 2 years time Henry (British born and bred before anyone asks) You obviously didn't go to my dealership Thanks We're lucky to get 2 weeks a year of vacation though And we're pretty good at bi'chin at work too.

Oct 8th, 2004, 02:36 PM	#76 (permalink)
S2000&CooperS MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Glen Allen, VA USA Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 936 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave You obviously didn't go to my dealership Thanks We're lucky to get 2 weeks a year of vacation though And we're pretty good at bi'chin at work too. LOL Yeah, some of the dealerships here can take a long time too and/or not get it right the first time. My company added a 3rd week of vacation this year which has been nice . 08 Smart ForTwo Passion Silver/Black/Red (Going on Ebay!) 07 Honda Accord V6 6-speed Taffeta White/Tan (wife's) 06 MINI Cooper S JCW Checkmate Astro Black/Silver

Oct 8th, 2004, 02:56 PM	#77 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by S2000&CooperS LOL Yeah, some of the dealerships here can take a long time too and/or not get it right the first time. My company added a 3rd week of vacation this year which has been nice . After 14 years and my 4th Gov't contract job I finally got my 3rd week. Now if I could only get to use it

Oct 8th, 2004, 03:10 PM	#78 (permalink)
Bisch Nut Job Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: In a van, down by th Local Time: 04:15 PM Posts: 201 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave After 14 years and my 4th Gov't contract job I finally got my 3rd week. Now if I could only get to use it I took an 8 day vacation in January of 1995! That was my last vacation. Since then, I have worked 6 days a week (sometimes 7). The last time I took even two days off in a row was October 11-12, 2002. My son was born on Oct.11. I'm freakin' exhausted.

Jan 26th, 2006, 08:02 PM	#79 (permalink)
GARY GP GP-1528 My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 800 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by HI-MINI For those who already got the quaife, please post update if you blew a gear or if you've got excellent results. hello i v got 270bhp but with no quaife it will stand still smoking!!!! (wheel spinn) thanks.

Jan 26th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#80 (permalink)
GARY GP GP-1528 My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:15 PM Posts: 800 Offline	[quote=yuwei]Hi, I just have my Quaife LSD fitted, but there is a kind of bearing noise. Is there anybody having the same problem and how you sorted out? Please help!!! That noise really drive me crazy....... Thanks everyone!![/QUOTE ]hi, have you had a race fly wheel fitted (or h duty clutch.thanks,

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