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gowest · Dec 20th, 2002, 11:36 PM

Just putting some more info out in a seperate thread as the other one is getting very long.

My Quaife is now in and I was there for the entire assembly and most of the disassembly so I can speak with a little more knowledge now.

Some of this is mentioned elsewhere.

BMW synthetic oil for diff. $40 a qt. 2.5 qts. needed.
From a post on MCO, It was reported that their BMW dealer said the gear oil they were using is Texaco MTF 94 $15 L. and 2 L. needed another person said they, not the dealer, used 2 qts. of Red Line MTL and this is what Red Line told me also and that they had sampled the oil from a MINI. (Actually it used a little less than 2 quarts but get 2.)

BMW reuses the oil for warranty work!

No internal specs available from BMW as the factory diffs are replaced as a whole.

No bearing part numbers available, see above, 2 needed.

Ford SVT 6 speed bearing numbers listed elsewhere didn't prove correct here in Virginia but my mechanic/codriver was able to come up with the correct parts, now on order. I think he said $20 each but I'm not sure, they seemed cheap anyway.

Edit, part # F7RZ4221AC apx. $18 ea.
Merry Christmas

IMPORTANT!!! The Ford Bearings DID NOT fit my MCS! The bearings fit the Quaife but not the Diff. case. The stock bearings had a part number on them though and NAPA had them in stock, they fit the Quaife and the case. Part # LM501349 apx. $17 each.

Trained BMW mechanic said it took 12 hours too replace the stock diff. but paid 6 hours as warranty work. (It took about 12 hours, with two people working on it a few of those 12, to get in.)

I will post SVT bearing part numbers here, hopefully in the next few days. (did not fit my MCS)
You may be able to reuse the bearings off your diff. but I'd consider that an emergency last resort. (one of the bearings looks like it would be very hard to remove without damaging the bearing.)

From a later post in this thread, Two BMW axel seals are needed.
Part #'s are 231 175 186 38 and 231 175 186 47. apx. $14 each.
Thanks, dypayne1 !

(We did not need these seals even though I got some)

Later in this thread there is a clearance issue mentioned, I have personally confirmed this with my own eyes. The Quaife will not turn freely without hitting the inside of the case unless some material is removed from the offending area(s). Think of looking down in an ice creme cone that has part of one side pushed in, that is the area that needs to be addressed, apx. 2"-3" lenght by apx. 1/2" high area needs to be removed, maybe 2 mm off the high spot. It was decided, after having spoken with Helix13 about this before my install and after theirs, that it would be a good idea to flush the case out after the material was removed. Every thing was covered as much as possible during the removal of the material, then cleaned with brake cleaner, then installed on the car with the original oil put back in, after having been saved in a clean drain container, then the car was run for several minutes while on the lift and in all the gears, then the original BMW gear oil was draind and Red Line MTL installed.

Driving impressions later, as I have a test and tune and an autocross next weekend.

Richard

jlm · Dec 21st, 2002, 07:08 AM

me too. i don't know about that bmw oil though!

dpayne1 · Dec 21st, 2002, 01:26 PM

gowest:

Thanks for the info. My Quaife arrived today. I've been unable to find out all the details needed for the install as yet. I will probably have a transmission shop do the work.

You said your mechanic/co-driver came up with the correct bearing parts? Can you share that info please.

thanks
David

ModoMini · Dec 21st, 2002, 02:04 PM

Yes, please! More info on the bearings.

gowest · Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:08 AM

I will try to get the part numbers for the bearings in the next few days and post it as an edit to the top of this thread, then bump the thread up to the top. Any additional info I come up with I will post in the same manner and by the same token I will edit to the top any info others post later in this this thread or other threads, if it's not contray to something I know.

gowest · Dec 24th, 2002, 08:43 PM

Bump, Just posted the part number for the bearings at the head of this thread but here they are again. F7RZ4221AC apx.$18 ea.

Merry Christmas

dpayne1 · Dec 24th, 2002, 08:46 PM

Thanks for sharing -- Goodbye wheel spin

Merry Christmas

alstt · Jan 7th, 2003, 08:03 PM

Have not heard (read) any news on the installs. How is it going guys? Anyone complete the job yet? A review perhaps?

ModoMini · Jan 7th, 2003, 08:22 PM

Still waiting on the parts to come in.

gowest · Jan 7th, 2003, 08:36 PM

UPS missplaced my bearings, so they did not get to the Ford dealer last Tuesday, which seems to be the only day they get parts on a regular basis ay that Ford dealer. Hopefully they got there today as the plan is to do the install this weekend, if they did. Seems like several others have Quaifes as well, maybe one of them got theirs in already.

jlm · Jan 7th, 2003, 09:41 PM

yipee yip yip;
i'm supposed to pick up my quaif'ed and flywheeled mini TOMORROW!

naturally i won't report anything.

;-#

dpayne1 · Jan 7th, 2003, 11:06 PM

Talked to the shop today - the car will be ready for pickup on Thursday - details will follow.

The bearing part numbers gowest posted were correct, plus there are also some seals that are needed

chris@helix · Jan 8th, 2003, 12:20 AM

Did you miss her? See you Tommorow jlm.

Chris
helix MINIsports
helix13.com

gowest · Jan 8th, 2003, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dpayne1

The bearing part numbers gowest posted were correct, plus there are also some seals that are needed

#!/%*, do I need to order some seals now! Part numbers please.

dpayne1 · Jan 8th, 2003, 02:42 AM

I'll check with the shop and post the part numbers for the seals tomorrow

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Jan 8th, 2003, 02:49 AM

Thanks for the above info. John, your car has gotta be a screamer!

HI-MINI · Jan 8th, 2003, 08:24 AM

For those who already got the quaife, please post update if you blew a gear or if you've got excellent results.

dpayne1 · Jan 8th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gowest
#!/%*, do I need to order some seals now! Part numbers please.

gowest
Axle seals
BMW parts about $14 each

23117518638
23117518647

helix13 · Jan 8th, 2003, 03:30 PM

The Quaife is in and running on JLM's car (along with a lightened flywheel). Everything went smoothly except that a little machining must be done to the tranny case to fit the diff. If the machining isn't done, the tranny locks. Driving impressions to follow.

dpayne1 · Jan 8th, 2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by helix13
The Quaife is in and running on JLM's car (along with a lightened flywheel). Everything went smoothly except that a little machining must be done to the tranny case to fit the diff. If the machining isn't done, the tranny locks. Driving impressions to follow.

Helix13 - my transmission shop reported doing the same machining to get the diff to fit correctly in the case.
I can't wait to go for a spin.....

Dec 20th, 2002, 11:36 PM	#1
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 208 Offline	Quaife install thread Just putting some more info out in a seperate thread as the other one is getting very long. My Quaife is now in and I was there for the entire assembly and most of the disassembly so I can speak with a little more knowledge now. Some of this is mentioned elsewhere. BMW synthetic oil for diff. $40 a qt. 2.5 qts. needed. From a post on MCO, It was reported that their BMW dealer said the gear oil they were using is Texaco MTF 94 $15 L. and 2 L. needed another person said they, not the dealer, used 2 qts. of Red Line MTL and this is what Red Line told me also and that they had sampled the oil from a MINI. (Actually it used a little less than 2 quarts but get 2.) BMW reuses the oil for warranty work! No internal specs available from BMW as the factory diffs are replaced as a whole. No bearing part numbers available, see above, 2 needed. Ford SVT 6 speed bearing numbers listed elsewhere didn't prove correct here in Virginia but my mechanic/codriver was able to come up with the correct parts, now on order. I think he said $20 each but I'm not sure, they seemed cheap anyway. Edit, part # F7RZ4221AC apx. $18 ea. Merry Christmas IMPORTANT!!! The Ford Bearings DID NOT fit my MCS! The bearings fit the Quaife but not the Diff. case. The stock bearings had a part number on them though and NAPA had them in stock, they fit the Quaife and the case. Part # LM501349 apx. $17 each. Trained BMW mechanic said it took 12 hours too replace the stock diff. but paid 6 hours as warranty work. (It took about 12 hours, with two people working on it a few of those 12, to get in.) I will post SVT bearing part numbers here, hopefully in the next few days. (did not fit my MCS) You may be able to reuse the bearings off your diff. but I'd consider that an emergency last resort. (one of the bearings looks like it would be very hard to remove without damaging the bearing.) From a later post in this thread, Two BMW axel seals are needed. Part #'s are 231 175 186 38 and 231 175 186 47. apx. $14 each. Thanks, dypayne1 ! (We did not need these seals even though I got some) Later in this thread there is a clearance issue mentioned, I have personally confirmed this with my own eyes. The Quaife will not turn freely without hitting the inside of the case unless some material is removed from the offending area(s). Think of looking down in an ice creme cone that has part of one side pushed in, that is the area that needs to be addressed, apx. 2"-3" lenght by apx. 1/2" high area needs to be removed, maybe 2 mm off the high spot. It was decided, after having spoken with Helix13 about this before my install and after theirs, that it would be a good idea to flush the case out after the material was removed. Every thing was covered as much as possible during the removal of the material, then cleaned with brake cleaner, then installed on the car with the original oil put back in, after having been saved in a clean drain container, then the car was run for several minutes while on the lift and in all the gears, then the original BMW gear oil was draind and Red Line MTL installed. Driving impressions later, as I have a test and tune and an autocross next weekend. Richard 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways Last edited by gowest : Jan 12th, 2003 at 04:46 AM.

Dec 21st, 2002, 07:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 1,083 Offline	me too. i don't know about that bmw oil though! john

Dec 21st, 2002, 01:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	Quaife Install details gowest: Thanks for the info. My Quaife arrived today. I've been unable to find out all the details needed for the install as yet. I will probably have a transmission shop do the work. You said your mechanic/co-driver came up with the correct bearing parts? Can you share that info please. thanks David

Dec 21st, 2002, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
ModoMini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 281 Offline	Yes, please! More info on the bearings. Mark -'04 Cooper S MC40

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 208 Offline	I will try to get the part numbers for the bearings in the next few days and post it as an edit to the top of this thread, then bump the thread up to the top. Any additional info I come up with I will post in the same manner and by the same token I will edit to the top any info others post later in this this thread or other threads, if it's not contray to something I know. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways Last edited by gowest : Jan 9th, 2003 at 02:43 PM.

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Dec 24th, 2002, 08:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 208 Offline	Bump, Just posted the part number for the bearings at the head of this thread but here they are again. F7RZ4221AC apx.$18 ea. Merry Christmas 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Dec 24th, 2002, 08:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	Thanks for sharing -- Goodbye wheel spin Merry Christmas

Jan 7th, 2003, 08:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
alstt MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 04:02 PM Posts: 3 Offline	LSD installs? Update? Have not heard (read) any news on the installs. How is it going guys? Anyone complete the job yet? A review perhaps?

Jan 7th, 2003, 08:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
ModoMini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 281 Offline	Still waiting on the parts to come in. Mark -'04 Cooper S MC40

Jan 7th, 2003, 08:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 208 Offline	UPS missplaced my bearings, so they did not get to the Ford dealer last Tuesday, which seems to be the only day they get parts on a regular basis ay that Ford dealer. Hopefully they got there today as the plan is to do the install this weekend, if they did. Seems like several others have Quaifes as well, maybe one of them got theirs in already. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 7th, 2003, 09:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
jlm MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ny,ny Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 1,083 Offline	yipee yip yip; i'm supposed to pick up my quaif'ed and flywheeled mini TOMORROW! naturally i won't report anything. ;-# john

Jan 7th, 2003, 11:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	Quaife install update Talked to the shop today - the car will be ready for pickup on Thursday - details will follow. The bearing part numbers gowest posted were correct, plus there are also some seals that are needed

Jan 8th, 2003, 12:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
chris@helix MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Local Time: 04:02 PM Posts: 72 Offline	Did you miss her? See you Tommorow jlm. Chris helix MINIsports helix13.com

Jan 8th, 2003, 02:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 208 Offline	Re: Quaife install update Quote: Originally posted by dpayne1 The bearing part numbers gowest posted were correct, plus there are also some seals that are needed #!/%*, do I need to order some seals now! Part numbers please. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 8th, 2003, 02:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	I'll check with the shop and post the part numbers for the seals tomorrow

Jan 8th, 2003, 02:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 1,338 Offline	Thanks for the above info. John, your car has gotta be a screamer! '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Jan 8th, 2003, 08:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
HI-MINI MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Local Time: 04:02 PM Posts: 47 Offline	For those who already got the quaife, please post update if you blew a gear or if you've got excellent results.

Jan 8th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	Re: Re: Quaife install update Quote: Originally posted by gowest *#!/%, do I need to order some seals now! Part numbers please.** gowest Axle seals BMW parts about $14 each 23117518638 23117518647

Jan 8th, 2003, 03:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
helix13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: philadelphia area Local Time: 12:02 PM Posts: 103 Offline	LSD in The Quaife is in and running on JLM's car (along with a lightened flywheel). Everything went smoothly except that a little machining must be done to the tranny case to fit the diff. If the machining isn't done, the tranny locks. Driving impressions to follow.

Jan 8th, 2003, 03:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
dpayne1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern VA Local Time: 11:02 AM Posts: 86 Offline	A little machining Quote: Originally posted by helix13 The Quaife is in and running on JLM's car (along with a lightened flywheel). Everything went smoothly except that a little machining must be done to the tranny case to fit the diff. If the machining isn't done, the tranny locks. Driving impressions to follow. Helix13 - my transmission shop reported doing the same machining to get the diff to fit correctly in the case. I can't wait to go for a spin.....

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