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KLF · Feb 16th, 2003, 05:20 PM

Hello people,

Yeah bought "Cars & Car Conversions" magazine yesterday, they have an article about Mini conversions available - including Falkland's Performance MiniONE, LAD's COOPER, Janspeed's COOPER, GrahamGoodeRacing(GGR)COOPER S, and finally Hartge's COOPER S.

They seem to like the GGR conversion more than the Hartge's, purely because of low end driveability, price. *Quote from the magazine about Hartge -
"Low speed part throttle driveability is not good, as the engine hunts and wavers as the ECU seems unsure of which tune to play.Give it some throttle though, and a full symphony is unleashed, with a wall of torque from low revs through a storming midrange, right up to topend performance that goes on to 7000rpm plus."

With reference to the "Hartge Review on Top Gear" thread i think QQQ mentioned the same as above, CCC seem to agree when driving at low revs its hunting for revs - have'nt heard anyone else say this namely people that have had the conversion and EVO mag.

So the GGR conversion(207bhp) they seem very impressed with it for the price of £999 (£1175 fitted) which is good value for money IMO.

Would be good if someone could scan the article as i have no scanner

Chris

MINI Raider · Feb 16th, 2003, 05:41 PM

Sounds very interesting I'll be picking up a copy tomorrow for sure.

Thanks.

mn_angrybeats · Feb 16th, 2003, 06:07 PM

No problems with my Hartge conversion, infact driveability has been improved IMO..

I had the car out at Donington yesterday and revved the nuts of it 7500rpm lap after lap...

Paul · Feb 16th, 2003, 06:18 PM

I think the issue (if there at all) is always with low down the rev range, nobody seems to have a bad word to say about it's high revving fun.

GeoffP · Feb 17th, 2003, 04:33 PM

I have visited a number of Leeds news agents including 2 branches of WH Smith for March CCC, but all sold out. My local news agent called her wholesaler & they were also sold out!! Can someone 'bend the rules' and scan in a copy of the MINI article, PLEASE.

Geoff Poad.

podger · Feb 18th, 2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Mullett
I think the issue (if there at all) is always with low down the rev range, nobody seems to have a bad word to say about it's high revving fun.

That's just the point, every day, in all traffic conditions,after trying both,and using the "I've got to live with this" criteria , thats why I went the GGR route

Dark Mini · Feb 18th, 2003, 12:30 PM

Podger as I live in Leicester near GGR and know the company quite well was thinking of getting the chip and the Magnaflow exhaust from them.
What BHP are you pushing out??

podger · Feb 18th, 2003, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dark Mini
Podger as I live in Leicester near GGR and know the company quite well was thinking of getting the chip and the Magnaflow exhaust from them.
What BHP are you pushing out??

I'm getting 212 bhp,on an rolling road I use in the Midlands and that was with a PiperCross Cone filter, that was/is not part of the GGR Conversion, as I already had it.

I would really advice anybody not to be to hung up about max bhp though, it's torque and drive-ability that is most important.In standard form GGR would claim around 207 bhp I think ?.Their test car had not been run in when I drove it with less than 900 miles on the clock,but it has big brakes , which I didn't have.

I have 11,000 miles on the clock.

Dark Mini · Feb 18th, 2003, 04:37 PM

Thats what i'am after really torque, I want power off the lights!!lol
What 0-60 you getting?

podger · Feb 18th, 2003, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dark Mini
What 0-60 you getting?

A highly inaccurately measured sub 7.00 secs,but I know that this could be further improved (but I'm not) if the run flat tyres were substituted !

mn_angrybeats · Feb 18th, 2003, 07:23 PM

Podger what is the 4.7 TVR engine does your Morgan have ??

podger · Feb 19th, 2003, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mn_angrybeats
Podger what is the 4.7 TVR engine does your Morgan have ??

The basic engine for any +8 Morgan is the Rover V8 from the Range Rover.
Mine is an engine developed by TVR Power in Coventry who prepare all the engines for TVR, it was then further developed by John Eales also based in Coventry, another exponent of the V8, the drive is through a BMW Getrag box, which is the only box that will take the developed power.

Tone · Feb 20th, 2003, 01:18 PM

W.H.Smiths in Poole had never heard of the mag. nor could they find it on some list the girl dug out. That is the title of it, isn't it?

KLF · Feb 20th, 2003, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tone
W.H.Smiths in Poole had never heard of the mag. nor could they find it on some list the girl dug out. That is the title of it, isn't it?

Funny that i bought my copy in a W.H.Smiths

and yes its called CARS & car conversions

Chris

www.cccmagazine.com

podger · Feb 20th, 2003, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KompressorChris
Funny that i bought my copy in a W.H.Smiths

and yes its called CARS & car conversions

Chris

www.cccmagazine.com

or known as CCC !!

Tone · Feb 21st, 2003, 07:12 AM

Yep, thanks, local newsagent is contacting warehouse. Fingers crossed

Tone · Feb 24th, 2003, 01:39 PM

Yep Chris, thanks for bringing it to our notice. Brilliant read, especially for anyone seriously contemplating a conversion. As you say GGR seems to come out tops. Not much longer to wait for JCW, then it's eyes peeled for the first press report!

sxhinkle · Feb 24th, 2003, 03:15 PM

Help!

Can someone please post the CCCmagazine article?

So we can all comment

Cheers

Steve

Tone · Feb 25th, 2003, 09:41 AM

Sorry pal, would not have a clue how to. Presumably you've tried the newsagent/warehouse route

Feb 16th, 2003, 05:20 PM	#1
KLF Hmm....silly name now Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Durham Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 347 Offline	CCC mag's Review - Hartge, GGR conversions Hello people, Yeah bought "Cars & Car Conversions" magazine yesterday, they have an article about Mini conversions available - including Falkland's Performance MiniONE, LAD's COOPER, Janspeed's COOPER, GrahamGoodeRacing(GGR)COOPER S, and finally Hartge's COOPER S. They seem to like the GGR conversion more than the Hartge's, purely because of low end driveability, price. *Quote from the magazine about Hartge - "Low speed part throttle driveability is not good, as the engine hunts and wavers as the ECU seems unsure of which tune to play.Give it some throttle though, and a full symphony is unleashed, with a wall of torque from low revs through a storming midrange, right up to topend performance that goes on to 7000rpm plus." With reference to the "Hartge Review on Top Gear" thread i think QQQ mentioned the same as above, CCC seem to agree when driving at low revs its hunting for revs - have'nt heard anyone else say this namely people that have had the conversion and EVO mag. So the GGR conversion(207bhp) they seem very impressed with it for the price of £999 (£1175 fitted) which is good value for money IMO. Would be good if someone could scan the article as i have no scanner Chris (51) Renaultsport Clio 172 ! - I know I know ........ It was cheap alright

Feb 16th, 2003, 06:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
mn_angrybeats MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 140 Offline	No problems with my Hartge conversion, infact driveability has been improved IMO.. I had the car out at Donington yesterday and revved the nuts of it 7500rpm lap after lap... http://www.angrybeats.co.uk

Feb 18th, 2003, 11:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
podger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There , over there, Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 98 Offline	Drivability Quote: Originally posted by Paul Mullett I think the issue (if there at all) is always with low down the rev range, nobody seems to have a bad word to say about it's high revving fun. That's just the point, every day, in all traffic conditions,after trying both,and using the "I've got to live with this" criteria , thats why I went the GGR route Cooper S,200Bhp+ Graham Goode Racing/Superchip Conversion, MagnaFlow Exhaust,British Racing Green,White Roof,Chilli Pack ,Gravity Full Leather, 17" S Spoke Alloys,Multi-Function Strg Wheel,Elec. Pan. Glass Roof,Heated Seats,Park Ctrl,Auto Air,SatNav,Radio Boost,Cd Changer,Bonnet Stripes by Action Graphics Ltd..... Other Toys:Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa FullRace 4.7 litre(TVR)375Bhp Morgan +8

Feb 18th, 2003, 12:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dark Mini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Leicester Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 520 Offline	What BHP you getting Podger as I live in Leicester near GGR and know the company quite well was thinking of getting the chip and the Magnaflow exhaust from them. What BHP are you pushing out?? Cooper S : Dark silver, white roof

Feb 18th, 2003, 03:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
podger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There , over there, Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 98 Offline	BHP ?? Quote: Originally posted by Dark Mini Podger as I live in Leicester near GGR and know the company quite well was thinking of getting the chip and the Magnaflow exhaust from them. What BHP are you pushing out?? I'm getting 212 bhp,on an rolling road I use in the Midlands and that was with a PiperCross Cone filter, that was/is not part of the GGR Conversion, as I already had it. I would really advice anybody not to be to hung up about max bhp though, it's torque and drive-ability that is most important.In standard form GGR would claim around 207 bhp I think ?.Their test car had not been run in when I drove it with less than 900 miles on the clock,but it has big brakes , which I didn't have. I have 11,000 miles on the clock. Cooper S,200Bhp+ Graham Goode Racing/Superchip Conversion, MagnaFlow Exhaust,British Racing Green,White Roof,Chilli Pack ,Gravity Full Leather, 17" S Spoke Alloys,Multi-Function Strg Wheel,Elec. Pan. Glass Roof,Heated Seats,Park Ctrl,Auto Air,SatNav,Radio Boost,Cd Changer,Bonnet Stripes by Action Graphics Ltd..... Other Toys:Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa FullRace 4.7 litre(TVR)375Bhp Morgan +8

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Feb 16th, 2003, 05:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
MINI Raider MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 7 Offline	Sounds very interesting I'll be picking up a copy tomorrow for sure. Thanks.

Feb 16th, 2003, 06:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 40,778 Offline	I think the issue (if there at all) is always with low down the rev range, nobody seems to have a bad word to say about it's high revving fun.

Feb 17th, 2003, 04:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
GeoffP MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Leeds uk Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 112 Offline	I have visited a number of Leeds news agents including 2 branches of WH Smith for March CCC, but all sold out. My local news agent called her wholesaler & they were also sold out!! Can someone 'bend the rules' and scan in a copy of the MINI article, PLEASE. Geoff Poad.

Feb 18th, 2003, 04:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dark Mini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Leicester Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 520 Offline	Thats what i'am after really torque, I want power off the lights!!lol What 0-60 you getting? Cooper S : Dark silver, white roof

Feb 18th, 2003, 06:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
podger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There , over there, Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 98 Offline	Inaccurate Measurement...... Quote: Originally posted by Dark Mini What 0-60 you getting? A highly inaccurately measured sub 7.00 secs,but I know that this could be further improved (but I'm not) if the run flat tyres were substituted ! Cooper S,200Bhp+ Graham Goode Racing/Superchip Conversion, MagnaFlow Exhaust,British Racing Green,White Roof,Chilli Pack ,Gravity Full Leather, 17" S Spoke Alloys,Multi-Function Strg Wheel,Elec. Pan. Glass Roof,Heated Seats,Park Ctrl,Auto Air,SatNav,Radio Boost,Cd Changer,Bonnet Stripes by Action Graphics Ltd..... Other Toys:Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa FullRace 4.7 litre(TVR)375Bhp Morgan +8

Feb 18th, 2003, 07:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
mn_angrybeats MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 140 Offline	Podger what is the 4.7 TVR engine does your Morgan have ?? http://www.angrybeats.co.uk

Feb 19th, 2003, 09:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
podger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There , over there, Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 98 Offline	What Engine Quote: Originally posted by mn_angrybeats Podger what is the 4.7 TVR engine does your Morgan have ?? The basic engine for any +8 Morgan is the Rover V8 from the Range Rover. Mine is an engine developed by TVR Power in Coventry who prepare all the engines for TVR, it was then further developed by John Eales also based in Coventry, another exponent of the V8, the drive is through a BMW Getrag box, which is the only box that will take the developed power. Cooper S,200Bhp+ Graham Goode Racing/Superchip Conversion, MagnaFlow Exhaust,British Racing Green,White Roof,Chilli Pack ,Gravity Full Leather, 17" S Spoke Alloys,Multi-Function Strg Wheel,Elec. Pan. Glass Roof,Heated Seats,Park Ctrl,Auto Air,SatNav,Radio Boost,Cd Changer,Bonnet Stripes by Action Graphics Ltd..... Other Toys:Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa FullRace 4.7 litre(TVR)375Bhp Morgan +8

Feb 20th, 2003, 01:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 5,795 Offline	W.H.Smiths in Poole had never heard of the mag. nor could they find it on some list the girl dug out. That is the title of it, isn't it? "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Feb 20th, 2003, 04:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
KLF Hmm....silly name now Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Durham Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 347 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Tone W.H.Smiths in Poole had never heard of the mag. nor could they find it on some list the girl dug out. That is the title of it, isn't it? Funny that i bought my copy in a W.H.Smiths and yes its called CARS & car conversions Chris www.cccmagazine.com (51) Renaultsport Clio 172 ! - I know I know ........ It was cheap alright

Feb 20th, 2003, 05:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
podger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There , over there, Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 98 Offline	Better known as............ Quote: Originally posted by KompressorChris Funny that i bought my copy in a W.H.Smiths and yes its called CARS & car conversions Chris www.cccmagazine.com or known as CCC !! Cooper S,200Bhp+ Graham Goode Racing/Superchip Conversion, MagnaFlow Exhaust,British Racing Green,White Roof,Chilli Pack ,Gravity Full Leather, 17" S Spoke Alloys,Multi-Function Strg Wheel,Elec. Pan. Glass Roof,Heated Seats,Park Ctrl,Auto Air,SatNav,Radio Boost,Cd Changer,Bonnet Stripes by Action Graphics Ltd..... Other Toys:Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa FullRace 4.7 litre(TVR)375Bhp Morgan +8

Feb 21st, 2003, 07:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 5,795 Offline	Yep, thanks, local newsagent is contacting warehouse. Fingers crossed "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Feb 24th, 2003, 01:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 5,795 Offline	Yep Chris, thanks for bringing it to our notice. Brilliant read, especially for anyone seriously contemplating a conversion. As you say GGR seems to come out tops. Not much longer to wait for JCW, then it's eyes peeled for the first press report! "I get by with a little help from my friends"

Feb 24th, 2003, 03:15 PM	#18 (permalink)
sxhinkle MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 99 Offline	CCC Mag Help! Can someone please post the CCCmagazine article? So we can all comment Cheers Steve

Feb 25th, 2003, 09:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tone MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dorset, U.K. Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 5,795 Offline	Sorry pal, would not have a clue how to. Presumably you've tried the newsagent/warehouse route "I get by with a little help from my friends"

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