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Jeppe · Dec 15th, 2001, 11:40 AM

Both the Works and Superchips have about 130PS. But the Works is 2408£! and the superchips is only 165£. And if you also buy a sports exhaust and airfilter the power would almost be 140PS on the superchips! So what i would like to see is a head to head test between these two tuning options, has it been done?

Nikk · Dec 17th, 2001, 04:30 AM

My first post ~ joined today!

Where can you get an aftermarket stainless steel exhaust from? BMW say they don't expect to get any in for at least 4 months. There must be someone out there doing them now.

monsta · Dec 17th, 2001, 05:23 AM

Keep an eye on play mini, www.playmini.co.uk - They will be doing one soon...

Jeppe · Dec 17th, 2001, 03:13 PM

I was at the essen motorshow and all the minis there had a aftermarked exhaust. Try Digi-tec and i know they have one. And John Cooper also makes one. Try schnitzerand hamann also.

Root Ginger · Dec 17th, 2001, 09:12 PM

Well I'm up for a race in my Works but I don't know anyone who's actually got a chipped car.

Also BTW guys the 131PS the Works has is only for the closed induction system. You get more with the open one but no figures for the open version. I've driven both and the open is definitely faster above 4000rpm.

Jeppe · Dec 18th, 2001, 02:59 AM

Is the open induction system available to buy now?

smiffy · Dec 18th, 2001, 03:28 AM

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monsta · Dec 18th, 2001, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ginge
Also BTW guys the 131PS the Works has is only for the closed induction system. You get more with the open one but no figures for the open version. I've driven both and the open is definitely faster above 4000rpm.

I was told by JCW that the only difference was the noise and there is no performance gain from the open induction kit.

Root Ginger · Dec 18th, 2001, 02:47 PM

That's not what it says in the brochure and I would say it was impossible for a closed and open induction system to perform identically to each other.

Flowki · Dec 20th, 2001, 05:42 PM

I ordered a JC Works Cooper just over a week ago with the Open Air Filter. They said it might add a "few bhp" but that it was mostly psychological in that the sound of the engine is so much better!

Warranty but no TLC as ordered direct from JCW.

Looking forward to taking a day off to collect it next year...

Flowki

Root Ginger · Dec 20th, 2001, 07:03 PM

See i knew it. A few more BHP.

Dom · Jan 5th, 2002, 11:54 AM

I'm interested in the works conversion over the chip because of the warranty issues (and the noise!!), but I'm unsure about the power figures quoted.... are there any graphs around showing the difference between before and after? surely the conversion pushes more than 132bhp... what about torque difference?

Cheers,

Dom

Root Ginger · Jan 5th, 2002, 12:09 PM

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Dom · Jan 5th, 2002, 12:59 PM

If coopers are normally pushing out 124bhp, it seems a lot for just 8bhp...

although obviously this is just on paper, do you notice much difference between your works and a standard cooper?

What's 162Nm in lb/ft? might be easier to make a comparison... the old saying "torque turns the wheels, bhp sells the car" comes into mind here!

Cheers,

Dom

Root Ginger · Jan 5th, 2002, 01:13 PM

No official figures are 115 for the Cooper and 131 for the Works. As far as I'm aware these figures are both from Germany so you don't need to take into account BMW's high testing facility.

Dom · Jan 5th, 2002, 01:34 PM

That's what I was hoping! Cheers ginge!

That's another works conversion sold then... just need some funds

Dom

Root Ginger · Jan 5th, 2002, 01:39 PM

I tell you what I'm gonna ask Mike Cooper if I can get commission!

BruceK · Jan 5th, 2002, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ginge
No official figures are 115 for the Cooper and 131 for the Works. As far as I'm aware these figures are both from Germany so you don't need to take into account BMW's high testing facility.

Ginge, you know much more about this then almost anyone - has a Works Cooper been taken to Germany for evaluation? We know the 115 hp is from Germany, but isn't the Works number from JCW in Sussex (near sea level)?

Dom · Jan 5th, 2002, 08:56 PM

I expect BMW may have specified that the works was to be tested in Germany on their rollers for consistency and to see for themselves what it pushes out alongside a standard cooper. Well, I know what I mean anyway!

And yes, Ginge should be on commission...

Dom

Dec 15th, 2001, 11:40 AM	#1
Jeppe MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oslo Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 21 Offline	Works Cooper VS Superchips Both the Works and Superchips have about 130PS. But the Works is 2408£! and the superchips is only 165£. And if you also buy a sports exhaust and airfilter the power would almost be 140PS on the superchips! So what i would like to see is a head to head test between these two tuning options, has it been done?

Dec 17th, 2001, 05:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
monsta MINI2 Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Brighton Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,669 Offline	Keep an eye on play mini, www.playmini.co.uk - They will be doing one soon... the MINI has gone...

Dec 17th, 2001, 03:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jeppe MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oslo Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 21 Offline	I was at the essen motorshow and all the minis there had a aftermarked exhaust. Try Digi-tec and i know they have one. And John Cooper also makes one. Try schnitzerand hamann also. Last edited by Jeppe : Dec 17th, 2001 at 03:18 PM.

Dec 17th, 2001, 09:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Well I'm up for a race in my Works but I don't know anyone who's actually got a chipped car. Also BTW guys the 131PS the Works has is only for the closed induction system. You get more with the open one but no figures for the open version. I've driven both and the open is definitely faster above 4000rpm. It was acceptable in the 80's

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Dec 17th, 2001, 04:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nikk MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 10:40 PM Posts: 25 Offline	My first post ~ joined today! Where can you get an aftermarket stainless steel exhaust from? BMW say they don't expect to get any in for at least 4 months. There must be someone out there doing them now.

Dec 18th, 2001, 02:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jeppe MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oslo Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 21 Offline	Is the open induction system available to buy now?

Dec 18th, 2001, 04:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
monsta MINI2 Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Brighton Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,669 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Ginge Also BTW guys the 131PS the Works has is only for the closed induction system. You get more with the open one but no figures for the open version. I've driven both and the open is definitely faster above 4000rpm. I was told by JCW that the only difference was the noise and there is no performance gain from the open induction kit. the MINI has gone...

Dec 18th, 2001, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	That's not what it says in the brochure and I would say it was impossible for a closed and open induction system to perform identically to each other. It was acceptable in the 80's

Dec 20th, 2001, 05:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Flowki MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 10:40 PM Posts: 35 Offline	Open Air Filter I ordered a JC Works Cooper just over a week ago with the Open Air Filter. They said it might add a "few bhp" but that it was mostly psychological in that the sound of the engine is so much better! Warranty but no TLC as ordered direct from JCW. Looking forward to taking a day off to collect it next year... Flowki

Dec 20th, 2001, 07:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	See i knew it. A few more BHP. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 5th, 2002, 11:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	I'm interested in the works conversion over the chip because of the warranty issues (and the noise!!), but I'm unsure about the power figures quoted.... are there any graphs around showing the difference between before and after? surely the conversion pushes more than 132bhp... what about torque difference? Cheers, Dom

Jan 5th, 2002, 12:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	For all details Click Here It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 5th, 2002, 12:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	If coopers are normally pushing out 124bhp, it seems a lot for just 8bhp... although obviously this is just on paper, do you notice much difference between your works and a standard cooper? What's 162Nm in lb/ft? might be easier to make a comparison... the old saying "torque turns the wheels, bhp sells the car" comes into mind here! Cheers, Dom

Jan 5th, 2002, 01:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	No official figures are 115 for the Cooper and 131 for the Works. As far as I'm aware these figures are both from Germany so you don't need to take into account BMW's high testing facility. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 5th, 2002, 01:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	That's what I was hoping! Cheers ginge! That's another works conversion sold then... just need some funds Dom

Jan 5th, 2002, 01:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	I tell you what I'm gonna ask Mike Cooper if I can get commission! It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 5th, 2002, 01:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 04:40 PM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Ginge No official figures are 115 for the Cooper and 131 for the Works. As far as I'm aware these figures are both from Germany so you don't need to take into account BMW's high testing facility. Ginge, you know much more about this then almost anyone - has a Works Cooper been taken to Germany for evaluation? We know the 115 hp is from Germany, but isn't the Works number from JCW in Sussex (near sea level)? + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Jan 5th, 2002, 08:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:40 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	I expect BMW may have specified that the works was to be tested in Germany on their rollers for consistency and to see for themselves what it pushes out alongside a standard cooper. Well, I know what I mean anyway! And yes, Ginge should be on commission... Dom

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