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rocketpop · Jul 8th, 2003, 01:47 PM

I heard all the sound files and seen all the pictures but I'm still not convinced that this is the exhaust for me.

I'm looking for something louder and throatier then the factory exhaust, but not sooo loud you going to here me coming a block away. My wife drives my MINI a lot and I know she not going want attract a lot of attention to her. Cabin sound is very important (not to loud).

For those who have the Borla how much louder is the Borla compared to stock?

Any suggestions are welcome….

minhi · Jul 8th, 2003, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rocketpop
I heard all the sound files and seen all the pictures but I'm still not convinced that this is the exhaust for me.

I'm looking for something louder and throatier then the factory exhaust, but not sooo loud you going to here me coming a block away. My wife drives my MINI a lot and I know she not going want attract a lot of attention to her. Cabin sound is very important (not to loud).

For those who have the Borla how much louder is the Borla compared to stock?

Any suggestions are welcome….

i've heard the borla, quicksilver and magnaflow standing at the side of the road with the cars driving by.

the borla is quietest of the three not that much louder then stock--especially if you're not on the gas hard. but that's my interpretation, exhaust "noise" is hugely subjective if you're really worried you need to get a ride in a car with the borla.

Out Motoring · Jul 9th, 2003, 03:21 AM

Magaflow= LOUD, drones at crusing speeds, growly/raspy note. Dual trumpet tips, dual muffler design.

Borla= Nice and refined growl, very serious note, not as loud as many other systems. Twin round tips, slightly larger diameter than stock, dual muffler.

Quicksilver= Quieter than Magnaflow, louder than Borla, serious, refined note. Large oval tip, similar to Boxster (optional dual tip available) Single muffler design.

Just my observations, hope it helps a little.

Check them all out here:

http://www.outmotoring.com/speed.html

RedUn · Jul 9th, 2003, 12:18 PM

I believe paddy has a Borla exhaust PM???

Redleg13 · Jul 9th, 2003, 12:23 PM

hey, I've got a magnaflow and have no idea what this "drone" "raspy noise" hogwash is about. My wife -- who thinks everything is too loud -- and 11 year old son love the sweet sounds that the magnaflow produces. People actually no come up to my Mini in parking lots and ask about my exhaust system! Magnaflow owners out there speak up!

Keith · Jul 10th, 2003, 01:32 AM

I have had both the Magnaflow and Borla on my car. Subjectively I would put the Magnaflow at 300% stock volume and Borla at 150%. The Borla makes an extra 5hp and I got 10hp from the Magnaflow. The Borla has a great rumble from outside the car and can only really be heard inside when statioary. The Borla is a great fit for what you are looking for.

MINIMiller · Jul 10th, 2003, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedUn
I believe paddy has a Borla exhaust PM???

Paddy does have a borla but his is a MC. If you want growling, sounds like a 69 chevelle, bad a*s sounds get yourself a Cooper and put a Borla on. The borla for the S is much more quiet.

minhi · Jul 10th, 2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIMiller
Paddy does have a borla but his is a MC. If you want growling, sounds like a 69 chevelle, bad a*s sounds get yourself a Cooper and put a Borla on. The borla for the S is much more quiet.

i think that's just paddy's car, it sounds a lot more like a small-block v8 then a dinky 4-cylinder.

i don't know what it is, but his car just sounds way too loud and growling for a cooper!

paddy · Jul 10th, 2003, 11:22 PM

Thanks for the compliments. I really do love my Borla. I still go with the theory that the opened up Pipercross Viper really contributes to the overall exhaust note. I guess that we will have to compare 'notes' on the 19th....

dinlo · Jul 10th, 2003, 11:29 PM

I'm thinking to upgrade the exhaust for my MCS, which is the best? I want good performance, and nice sound, I don't wantloud loud sound, I want some good performance sound, I know there is some exhaust give you loud sound, but no performance. Which one is the best on the market now? Thanks for your help

** Also which header is the best for it? I would like to have a good match. Thanks

paddy · Jul 10th, 2003, 11:38 PM

Yes, I have a Borla exhaust, here is a pic of the nice big tip..... it is on a Cooper. Very happy.....

MINIMiller · Jul 11th, 2003, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dinlo
I'm thinking to upgrade the exhaust for my MCS, which is the best? I want good performance, and nice sound, I don't wantloud loud sound, I want some good performance sound, I know there is some exhaust give you loud sound, but no performance. Which one is the best on the market now? Thanks for your help

** Also which header is the best for it? I would like to have a good match. Thanks

Dinlo - The Borla is considered by most the correct exhaust upgrade if you are looking for that little bit extra without too much extra loudness. Nothing against the Magnaflow, SuperSprint and others. I've heard the Borla on a freinds car (an S) and it adds a slightly deeper, throaty note but does not intrude on the cabin levels much. There is a great group buy going on here (BORLA). It is a great price, but it will not happen until 5 are ordered. So far I am the only one. I spoke to the vendor on the phone today and feel good about them. Check it out!

snid · Jul 11th, 2003, 12:49 AM

Anybody compare the Borla and the Helix for the Cooper? I saw / heard a Helix recently and really like it, but my dealership has Borlas laying around ready to install and people seem to like them.

dinlo · Jul 11th, 2003, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIMiller
Dinlo - The Borla is considered by most the correct exhaust upgrade if you are looking for that little bit extra without too much extra loudness. Nothing against the Magnaflow, SuperSprint and others. I've heard the Borla on a freinds car (an S) and it adds a slightly deeper, throaty note but does not intrude on the cabin levels much. There is a great group buy going on here (BORLA). It is a great price, but it will not happen until 5 are ordered. So far I am the only one. I spoke to the vendor on the phone today and feel good about them. Check it out!

Thanks MINIMiller
I'm going to upgrade the pulley, ECU and the intake next week, so I need to save somemore $$$ before the header and the exhaust. But which header will you go for?

MINIMiller · Jul 11th, 2003, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dinlo
Thanks MINIMiller
I'm going to upgrade the pulley, ECU and the intake next week, so I need to save somemore $$$ before the header and the exhaust. But which header will you go for?

Oh! a header!!! You're a few steps ahead of me. I've got the intake and of course have now ordered the exhaust. I'm waiting for my dealership to quote their installed price for the pulley/ecu combo. Then, before a header, I'll be looking into rims and tires.

Oh the humanity....when will the spending end??? at least that is what my wife wants to know

dinlo · Jul 11th, 2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIMiller
Oh! a header!!! You're a few steps ahead of me. I've got the intake and of course have now ordered the exhaust. I'm waiting for my dealership to quote their installed price for the pulley/ecu combo. Then, before a header, I'll be looking into rims and tires.

Oh the humanity....when will the spending end??? at least that is what my wife wants to know

Actually I'm getting my ECU/Pulley/intake upgrade next week. $400 pulley, $700ECU and $200 for the intake
total $1300

rtg · Jul 12th, 2003, 03:26 AM

Not to take business away from anyone but I've heard of quality problems with the Borla exhaust. I was looking at picking up one since I like its "stock" appearance but I was told of the quality issue and that another brand of stock looking exhaust would be out soon (a 2 1/2" model with should provide more hp than the Borla). I can't remember who the manufacturer is of the new exhaust but I can report back if anyone is interested.

Handy Andy · Jul 12th, 2003, 04:46 AM

I am kinda confused!!!
Mini mania lists two different Borla exhaust systems for the Cooper S.

A Borla S
http://new.minimania.com/web/item/NME1020/invDetail.cfm

and a Borla SPORT
http://new.minimania.com/web/item/NME1021/invDetail.cfm

So when you guys say that the Borla is not that much louder than stock which Borla are you talking about?

Does anyone have this SPORT version installed??

Keith · Jul 12th, 2003, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rtg
Not to take business away from anyone but I've heard of quality problems with the Borla exhaust. I was looking at picking up one since I like its "stock" appearance but I was told of the quality issue and that another brand of stock looking exhaust would be out soon (a 2 1/2" model with should provide more hp than the Borla). I can't remember who the manufacturer is of the new exhaust but I can report back if anyone is interested.

I have not heard about any quality problems. The Borla uses a smaller diameter pipe after the "Y" connector and some say that keeping the larger pipe all the way back would increase power. I'm not sure why as there's only half the flow through each pipe after the split.

Adel · Jul 13th, 2003, 02:54 AM

It can not get much simpler, cheaper, better sounding..... than this!
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=33190

Jul 8th, 2003, 01:47 PM	#1
rocketpop MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas,TX Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 70 Offline	Borla exhaust ??? I heard all the sound files and seen all the pictures but I'm still not convinced that this is the exhaust for me. I'm looking for something louder and throatier then the factory exhaust, but not sooo loud you going to here me coming a block away. My wife drives my MINI a lot and I know she not going want attract a lot of attention to her. Cabin sound is very important (not to loud). For those who have the Borla how much louder is the Borla compared to stock? Any suggestions are welcome…. MCS DS/W black leather Premium package (bonnet strips, sun roof, OBC, MFSW) Sport Package (DSC, 17' S-Lites, Zenon, Fog lamps) HK. Madness Intake Borla Exhaust OZ Racing Prodrive P1's

Jul 8th, 2003, 04:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
minhi MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Washington DC Local Time: 11:13 AM Posts: 473 Offline	Re: Borla exhaust ??? Quote: Originally posted by rocketpop I heard all the sound files and seen all the pictures but I'm still not convinced that this is the exhaust for me. I'm looking for something louder and throatier then the factory exhaust, but not sooo loud you going to here me coming a block away. My wife drives my MINI a lot and I know she not going want attract a lot of attention to her. Cabin sound is very important (not to loud). For those who have the Borla how much louder is the Borla compared to stock? Any suggestions are welcome…. i've heard the borla, quicksilver and magnaflow standing at the side of the road with the cars driving by. the borla is quietest of the three not that much louder then stock--especially if you're not on the gas hard. but that's my interpretation, exhaust "noise" is hugely subjective if you're really worried you need to get a ride in a car with the borla.

Jul 9th, 2003, 03:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Out Motoring MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio Local Time: 11:13 AM Posts: 134 Offline	Magaflow= LOUD, drones at crusing speeds, growly/raspy note. Dual trumpet tips, dual muffler design. Borla= Nice and refined growl, very serious note, not as loud as many other systems. Twin round tips, slightly larger diameter than stock, dual muffler. Quicksilver= Quieter than Magnaflow, louder than Borla, serious, refined note. Large oval tip, similar to Boxster (optional dual tip available) Single muffler design. Just my observations, hope it helps a little. Check them all out here: http://www.outmotoring.com/speed.html Aaron Cornaby : Head Motorer www.outmotoring.com

Jul 9th, 2003, 12:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Redleg13 MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington, DC Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 170 Offline	hey, I've got a magnaflow and have no idea what this "drone" "raspy noise" hogwash is about. My wife -- who thinks everything is too loud -- and 11 year old son love the sweet sounds that the magnaflow produces. People actually no come up to my Mini in parking lots and ask about my exhaust system! Magnaflow owners out there speak up! '02 EB/W MCS w/Sport pkg, Rogue intake, Helix 15% pulley, Magnecor wires, Bosch platinums, Magnaflow exhaust, Exel white wheels.

Jul 10th, 2003, 01:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 11:13 AM Posts: 687 Offline	I have had both the Magnaflow and Borla on my car. Subjectively I would put the Magnaflow at 300% stock volume and Borla at 150%. The Borla makes an extra 5hp and I got 10hp from the Magnaflow. The Borla has a great rumble from outside the car and can only really be heard inside when statioary. The Borla is a great fit for what you are looking for. 2007 DS/W MCS LSD, sport suspension, Enkei RPM2 wheels 2002 EB/W MCS Sport package, Rogue intake, Borla exhaust, 15% pulley & Madness sway bar

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Jul 9th, 2003, 12:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 12:13 PM Posts: 11,615 Offline	I believe paddy has a Borla exhaust PM???

Jul 10th, 2003, 02:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 741 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by RedUn I believe paddy has a Borla exhaust PM??? Paddy does have a borla but his is a MC. If you want growling, sounds like a 69 chevelle, bad a*s sounds get yourself a Cooper and put a Borla on. The borla for the S is much more quiet. Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Jul 10th, 2003, 04:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
minhi MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Washington DC Local Time: 11:13 AM Posts: 473 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MINIMiller *Paddy does have a borla but his is a MC. If you want growling, sounds like a 69 chevelle, bad as sounds get yourself a Cooper and put a Borla on. The borla for the S is much more quiet.** i think that's just paddy's car, it sounds a lot more like a small-block v8 then a dinky 4-cylinder. i don't know what it is, but his car just sounds way too loud and growling for a cooper!

Jul 10th, 2003, 11:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
paddy Anyone seen MP lately??? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Olney, MD Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 1,126 Offline	MM & Minhi, Thanks for the compliments. I really do love my Borla. I still go with the theory that the opened up Pipercross Viper really contributes to the overall exhaust note. I guess that we will have to compare 'notes' on the 19th.... "We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail..." -- President George W. Bush - Sept. 20, 2001

Jul 10th, 2003, 11:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
dinlo MINI2 Master / Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern California Local Time: 04:13 AM Posts: 1,508 Offline	I'm thinking to upgrade the exhaust for my MCS, which is the best? I want good performance, and nice sound, I don't wantloud loud sound, I want some good performance sound, I know there is some exhaust give you loud sound, but no performance. Which one is the best on the market now? Thanks for your help ** Also which header is the best for it? I would like to have a good match. Thanks 1962 mini, 2004 MCS, 2003 MCS, 1965 mini Click here to NorCalMINIs.com

Jul 10th, 2003, 11:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
paddy Anyone seen MP lately??? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Olney, MD Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 1,126 Offline	RedUn Yes, I have a Borla exhaust, here is a pic of the nice big tip..... it is on a Cooper. Very happy..... Attached Thumbnails "We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail..." -- President George W. Bush - Sept. 20, 2001

Jul 11th, 2003, 12:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 741 Offline	Great deal on a Borla here... Quote: Originally posted by dinlo I'm thinking to upgrade the exhaust for my MCS, which is the best? I want good performance, and nice sound, I don't wantloud loud sound, I want some good performance sound, I know there is some exhaust give you loud sound, but no performance. Which one is the best on the market now? Thanks for your help ** Also which header is the best for it? I would like to have a good match. Thanks Dinlo - The Borla is considered by most the correct exhaust upgrade if you are looking for that little bit extra without too much extra loudness. Nothing against the Magnaflow, SuperSprint and others. I've heard the Borla on a freinds car (an S) and it adds a slightly deeper, throaty note but does not intrude on the cabin levels much. There is a great group buy going on here (BORLA). It is a great price, but it will not happen until 5 are ordered. So far I am the only one. I spoke to the vendor on the phone today and feel good about them. Check it out! Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Jul 11th, 2003, 12:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
snid brown is back Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 4,217 Offline	Anybody compare the Borla and the Helix for the Cooper? I saw / heard a Helix recently and really like it, but my dealership has Borlas laying around ready to install and people seem to like them. jtross \| snid \| jason - bloggage (including videos)

Jul 11th, 2003, 12:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
dinlo MINI2 Master / Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern California Local Time: 04:13 AM Posts: 1,508 Offline	Re: Great deal on a Borla here... Quote: Originally posted by MINIMiller Dinlo - The Borla is considered by most the correct exhaust upgrade if you are looking for that little bit extra without too much extra loudness. Nothing against the Magnaflow, SuperSprint and others. I've heard the Borla on a freinds car (an S) and it adds a slightly deeper, throaty note but does not intrude on the cabin levels much. There is a great group buy going on here (BORLA). It is a great price, but it will not happen until 5 are ordered. So far I am the only one. I spoke to the vendor on the phone today and feel good about them. Check it out! Thanks MINIMiller I'm going to upgrade the pulley, ECU and the intake next week, so I need to save somemore $$$ before the header and the exhaust. But which header will you go for? 1962 mini, 2004 MCS, 2003 MCS, 1965 mini Click here to NorCalMINIs.com

Jul 11th, 2003, 03:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 741 Offline	Re: Re: Great deal on a Borla here... Quote: Originally posted by dinlo Thanks MINIMiller I'm going to upgrade the pulley, ECU and the intake next week, so I need to save somemore $$$ before the header and the exhaust. But which header will you go for? Oh! a header!!! You're a few steps ahead of me. I've got the intake and of course have now ordered the exhaust. I'm waiting for my dealership to quote their installed price for the pulley/ecu combo. Then, before a header, I'll be looking into rims and tires. Oh the humanity....when will the spending end??? at least that is what my wife wants to know Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Jul 11th, 2003, 07:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
dinlo MINI2 Master / Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern California Local Time: 04:13 AM Posts: 1,508 Offline	Re: Re: Re: Great deal on a Borla here... Quote: Originally posted by MINIMiller Oh! a header!!! You're a few steps ahead of me. I've got the intake and of course have now ordered the exhaust. I'm waiting for my dealership to quote their installed price for the pulley/ecu combo. Then, before a header, I'll be looking into rims and tires. Oh the humanity....when will the spending end??? at least that is what my wife wants to know Actually I'm getting my ECU/Pulley/intake upgrade next week. $400 pulley, $700ECU and $200 for the intake total $1300 1962 mini, 2004 MCS, 2003 MCS, 1965 mini Click here to NorCalMINIs.com

Jul 12th, 2003, 03:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
rtg MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Local Time: 04:13 AM Posts: 6 Offline	Not to take business away from anyone but I've heard of quality problems with the Borla exhaust. I was looking at picking up one since I like its "stock" appearance but I was told of the quality issue and that another brand of stock looking exhaust would be out soon (a 2 1/2" model with should provide more hp than the Borla). I can't remember who the manufacturer is of the new exhaust but I can report back if anyone is interested.

Jul 12th, 2003, 04:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Handy Andy MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle,Ontario Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 15 Offline	I am kinda confused!!! Mini mania lists two different Borla exhaust systems for the Cooper S. A Borla S http://new.minimania.com/web/item/NME1020/invDetail.cfm and a Borla SPORT http://new.minimania.com/web/item/NME1021/invDetail.cfm So when you guys say that the Borla is not that much louder than stock which Borla are you talking about? Does anyone have this SPORT version installed?? Andy. Liquid Yellow Cooper S. Sunroof, Mulifunction Wheel, Climate Control, Heated Seats, DSC, Fog Lights,Xenon Head Lights, Trailer Hitch.

Jul 12th, 2003, 11:24 AM	#19 (permalink)
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 11:13 AM Posts: 687 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by rtg Not to take business away from anyone but I've heard of quality problems with the Borla exhaust. I was looking at picking up one since I like its "stock" appearance but I was told of the quality issue and that another brand of stock looking exhaust would be out soon (a 2 1/2" model with should provide more hp than the Borla). I can't remember who the manufacturer is of the new exhaust but I can report back if anyone is interested. I have not heard about any quality problems. The Borla uses a smaller diameter pipe after the "Y" connector and some say that keeping the larger pipe all the way back would increase power. I'm not sure why as there's only half the flow through each pipe after the split. 2007 DS/W MCS LSD, sport suspension, Enkei RPM2 wheels 2002 EB/W MCS Sport package, Rogue intake, Borla exhaust, 15% pulley & Madness sway bar

Jul 13th, 2003, 02:54 AM	#20 (permalink)
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