[Dom]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ibb

Gotta be tested to say if it works or not, its the only way.

Not really - simple test:

Is the MINI an old shed like a Nova?

If yes, it'll work. If not, it won't.

Point being, engines are far too advanced nowadays for gimmicks like that to work. You'd be better off saving for an induction kit for performance. Sounds and looks better too...

Dom

[Ibb]

Very Valid point m8!

But a lil testing won't do any harm, if ya know what I mean, and I am currently saving up for an induction, K&N are bringing one out at the end of this month or next month according to them.

Cheers bud

PS:

What do reckon the Vibe SA69(6x9) speakers are like?
I might be getting these, apparently they're meant to be really good, don't want a sub, purely cos I'm gonna be needing my boot.
Gonna get an amp too to power em, check www.caraudiodirect.com or co.uk

[Root Ginger]

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
The way I see it, if it made the engine more efficient and using less fuel, BMW would have done it. If there was something that gave the car more power and use less petrol, I can't see why it would have been missed off!


Dom

So why don't all MINI's come with an induction kit then? This improves performance and saves fuel as well.

This device is backed by official government tests and if you read the magazine articles on the website even they are shocked that the device does actually work. I'm as sceptical as the rest but I'm gonna buy one and give it a go. I'll let you know how I get on.

[Ibb]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ginge


So why don't all MINI's come with an induction kit then? This improves performance and saves fuel as well.

This device is backed by official government tests and if you read the magazine articles on the website even they are shocked that the device does actually work. I'm as sceptical as the rest but I'm gonna buy one and give it a go. I'll let you know how I get on.

Nice one m8, the gov thingy is what really drew me to this device. It probably won't better the consumption figures of the mini as it is such a new car, even the guys say "ecept in the newest of cars". But I'm really curious about how performance is bettered.

Hope to hear from you soon, plz tell us if it works or not, we are eagerly waiting to see what happens.

Cheers m8

[Silverstone]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ginge


So why don't all MINI's come with an induction kit then? This improves performance and saves fuel as well.

I have to design induction systems as part of my trade.

There are three main reasons why all cars are not fitted with such induction systems:

1. Noise - 90% of owners would find the noise level of an open intake far too loud and intrusive - it's only Petrol Heads who actually like the extra noise. Us engineers have to go to extraordinary lengths to reduce the noise without harming performance - in some cases we can improve the torque if we get it right.

2. Maintenance - dealers can't be doing with washing & oiling of foam / cotton filters - it takes too long

3. Air intake temperature - in hot climates, the temperature of the intake air is critcal for performance - too warm and you lose performance big time (you get a double whammy - lower density and more knocking) Most induction kits pull their air from the general engine bay which can be 20C hotter than the outside air.

Hope this helps

[Ibb]

Cheers Silverstone, seeing as your in the trade....can maufacturers invalidate the warranty of your car if you fit an induction kit?

And how does the standard induction kit work? does it draw air from the inside of the engine bay?

Cheers m8

[Dom]

The standard air intake is using a plastic scoop - taking air from outside. When fitting an induction kit, it is usually a good idea to fit a pipe on the end of said plastic scoop to direct cold air to wherever the induction kit is.

In most cases, fitting an induction kit allows more air into the engine which allows bigger, more powerful explosions. Obviously, if you're getting more air in, you're going to have to pump more fuel in to stop it running lean. An induction kit isn't exactly going to save fuel. It's going to use more (wouldn't really be noticeable though), but use it more efficiently

Hope that helps

Dom

[daxler]

Went to BMW today as far as they are concerned an induction kit will completely invalidate the warrenty.

Sorry guys although now i've fitted one I can't go back.

looking at the standered system when i took it off, the cold air goes into the air box from the hole ontop of the radiator - just if your curious.

There is very little room for any piping for the kit. but without the piping it still works like a dream.

[Ibb]

Aw what!!
I'm gonna have to find that european legislation about fitting an induction kit to cars, the legislations states that manufacuters cannot void waraanty of the wole car apart from the induction kit, which was not original equipment.

Gotta find it

[Minty]

Some review links for you:

http://www.pugsport-gti.co.uk/ecotek.htm
http://shop.potn.co.uk/product_revie...9ad94745a0ca53
http://www.btinternet.com/~markhorto...tek/ecotek.htm

That last link is quite a detailed review on different cars.

Hope this helps

Stephen

[Bilbo Baggins]

lbb,
it sounds like a bit of snake oil and mirrors. All of their info was talking about naturally aspirated engines and the ability of the manifold vaccume to draw air in. The MCS is supercharged and operates under positive pressure so I think the device will be have little to no effect on the MCS. IMHO

I didn't search their whole site but saw no dyno graphs. 'Nuf said.

[tip]

I'll take your 50 Quid if you want to send it to me. I'll also give you a money back guarentee, NOT.


Charles

[cleverzippy]

Quote:

Reputable magazines give the device a very good testing and found the cars fitted with it became better in the 3 terms mentioned above.

Revs and Max Power??


I think that says it all.

[stu(pid)]

I had one of these devices fitted to my Peugeot 106 GTI. The engine is the same as the Saxo VTS - a modern (5-6 year old design), 16 valve, Magnetti Marelli fuel injection system. Normally aspirated this 1.6 litre engine develops 120bhp. The Ecotek made the engine tick-over smoother (a well-known problem in the 106). Overall I didn't notice any change in power, but before I fitted it I always got 28-29 mpg. After fitting it I always got 32-33 mpg. After removing it 18 months later I got 28-29mpg. And yes, I do check my fuel consumption EVERY time I fill up, so I'm convinced it helped on this engine, and paid for itself in about 6 months!
However, the device is plumbed into the vacuum pipe between the brake servo and the inlet manifold and necessitates cutting this pipe. Hence it is obvious if fitted. I haven't fitted it to my MINI because I am sure there would be warranty issues.

[Barclay]

The Sunday Times any good?

See this: http://www.ecotekplc.com/reviews.htm

[madferrit]

ecopoop i fitted one to my cooper did't feel a thing sent it back bought a pipercross induction kit much better now

[Hagbard Celine]

All the skeptics poo-pooing this should read ALL the reviews first if they don't want to look like an ass (although that probably is unavoidable ):

http://www.ecotekplc.com/reviews.htm

Guess whut: It ain't just Revs 'n Redline, there's also Street Machine and Volkswagen Driver (funny how all the skeptics missed this, and ignored that the Sunday Times wrote it up as well).

If this thing doesn't work to boost your MPG, then you'll need to build an O2 sensor bypass circuit to dial in whatever air/fuel mixture you want, otherwise most EFI computers will simply dump too much fuel into the chamber. This will increase available HP but do nothing for MPG. Now, if you don't care about fuel economy, install it, get out a stopwatch and do some before and after time trials for zero to 100. You might want to have a passenger run the watch. If it doesn't work, call your credit card company and make 'em take it back.

I'm buyin' a couple, I'll let you know how it works out.

[monsta]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine

All the skeptics poo-pooing this should read ALL the reviews first if they don't want to look like an ass (although that probably is unavoidable ):

http://www.ecotekplc.com/reviews.htm

Guess whut: It ain't just Revs 'n Redline, there's also Street Machine and Volkswagen Driver (funny how all the skeptics missed this, and ignored that the Sunday Times wrote it up as well).

If this thing doesn't work to boost your MPG, then you'll need to build an O2 sensor bypass circuit to dial in whatever air/fuel mixture you want, otherwise most EFI computers will simply dump too much fuel into the chamber. This will increase available HP but do nothing for MPG. Now, if you don't care about fuel economy, install it, get out a stopwatch and do some before and after time trials for zero to 100. You might want to have a passenger run the watch. If it doesn't work, call your credit card company and make 'em take it back.

I'm buyin' a couple, I'll let you know how it works out.

Has anyone actually fitted one of these yet? It's a case of my instinct vs. the reviews on their site....

[Red Dwarf]

I had two on my last car and they did seem to make a small difference to the economy and drivability. Don't want to fit them to the Coop though as I don't want to invalidate the warranty. Anybody interested in buying one?

[adamlondon]

Its sounds pretty good, and has had credible write-ups, but I would be too concerned about losing the warranty. The fact that it may only be of any use to an older car is also an issue for me. If lbb can find the European legislation for induction kits that would be great! Like everyone else Im just going to wait for someone else to have it fitted and report back.

All the best,

Adam