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Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Oct 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM

Looks like yet another player in the header game:

Quote:

GOLETA, CA - The MINI is basically an overgrown, street-legal go-kart. Now the car is even more fun thanks to a new Race Header, developed exclusively for Moss Motors by the sport-compact performance specialists at Jackson Racing. This system is designed to be the best header value on the market, combining top-caliber construction and a three-piece design for easy installation. Dyno-testing revealed a 7.5-HP drive-wheel increase on a Cooper S. This three-phased header is manufactured by Jardine Performance, incorporating the same technology the company uses for its Honda Superbike exhausts. Each MINI header begins with U.S.-sourced T-304 stainless steel, chosen for the high chromium content that makes it the most corrosion-resistant stock available. Flanges are CNC-machined - not flame-cut - from 3/8"-thick stainless steel for warp-resistance. To scavenge the combustion chambers efficiently, the header's primary tubes step up three times in diameter before meeting at the true merge-style collector: The system's header and intermediate pipes receive a brushed finish, and the three-piece design makes it extremely installer-friendly. Applications are available for both the MINI Cooper and Cooper S. (Because installation requires removing the catalytic converter, this system is intended for competition vehicles that aren't subject to emissions testing.) For more information, visit www.mossmini.com or contact Moss Motors, Dept. ____, 440 Rutherford St., Goleta, CA 93117. Phone: 805-681-3411, Fax: 805-692-2525, Email: parts@mossmotors.com.

http://www.automedia2000.com/jackson/jrreleases.htm

Click the pic for a big version:

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Oct 15th, 2003, 10:19 PM

So, here's the other MINI headers on the market:

MINI-Mania with cat: $750.00

MINI-Mania without cat: $650.00

Milltek with cat: $785.00 (GBP 495.00)

London Stainless with cat: $1300.00

Supersprint (must weld to existing cat): $649

Any others out there?

Milltek girl

:

TonyB · Oct 15th, 2003, 11:24 PM

i think the london stainless/quicksilver/militek might all be the same, and the only one that is 2.5". here is a link to randy's site, where they are now in the 800-900 range...

http://www.webbmotorsports.com/exhaust-mcs.php

Blue Thunder · Oct 16th, 2003, 02:43 AM

On the Jackson system, what is flexing?? To deal with engine torque???

On the others with built in cats, are they ceramic or Metallic?

What is the outlet diameter, and if it is larger than stock, do they offer the system after with larger tubing?

On the last photo, Do you think she would want to jump ship and join the Supersprint team??

maxmini · Oct 16th, 2003, 03:03 AM

The interesting differance between the Jackson item and all the rest is the " step up " in pipe sizes . This trick has been around a long time and does make a differance in many applications. Can't wait to see what it does for the mini .

R Speed · Oct 17th, 2003, 03:41 AM

Yeah Forget the headers we will take the Miltec Hottie

Blue Thunder · Oct 17th, 2003, 04:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed

Yeah Forget the headers we will take the Miltec Hottie

You'll have to forgive her, at that age they are so innocent and they just don't understand! If she were part of the Supersprint team she would quickly learn that the tri "Y" design of the Supersprint headers offers a wide torque power band, rather than the more peaky power band of the 4 into 1 header design.

If performance exhaust systems were just a matter of welding pipes, we would all be doing our own!

R Speed · Oct 17th, 2003, 04:46 AM

A try "Y" header is 9 times out of 10 what will put a smile on the face of most enthusiast looking form more low end and mid-range grunt.
Still as far as 4 into 1s the stock piece does not look all that bad?

Blue Thunder · Oct 17th, 2003, 05:00 AM

Sorry! what did you say? I was looking at that Miltek setup again!!

R Speed · Oct 17th, 2003, 05:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Sorry! what did you say? I was looking at that Miltek setup again!!

Uh? Did you you say Miltec?

I thought you said Milk

My 1 Year Old is an authority on milk production. Milk Booby

You should see his eyes light up when we go to Hooters

Cute babies make the best chick magnets.

better yet still than puppys

Blue Thunder · Oct 17th, 2003, 05:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed

Uh?

My 1 year is an authority on milk production.

You should see his eyes light up when we go to Hooters

Cute babies make the best chick magnets.

better yet still than puppys

I didn't know that??
I'll stop by the orphanage with my dog sled in the morning before I go to work!

R Speed · Oct 17th, 2003, 05:26 AM

Someone is looking over my shoulder and I think I am in trouble....

Oh Hi S ...........Ohch Oho..

Blue Thunder · Oct 17th, 2003, 05:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed

Someone is looking over my shoulder and I think I am in trouble....

Oh Hi S ...........Ohch Oho..

The length of the primary tubes determined the RPM of maxium performance. AGHHH! Where is the moderator when you need him!

Mugami · Oct 17th, 2003, 06:55 PM

i just want to know if thats the sports pack for Miltec.. what does the Performance pack look like =)

friedduck · Oct 21st, 2003, 09:01 PM

So what's the story with no cat for the Jackson system? Do they leave you room (doesn't look like it) keep the existing cat?

The pics for the Mini-Mania are odd. One 4-1 and one 4-2-1. Is that just the angle of the photo?

maxmini · Oct 26th, 2003, 03:59 AM

I have the system in a box in front of me as we speak.I wil install it on monday if all goes well. As for the flex it looks like they use the same system as the super sprint with the two springs at the last flange. I wil take some pics and try to post asap,Randy

maxmini · Oct 27th, 2003, 04:52 AM

I will be installing the Jackson item tomorow and I will try to post pics and a report tomorrow evening, Randy

Mugami · Oct 27th, 2003, 09:23 AM

Randy ive been unable to find the header on the website.. mind if i ask what was the going price for it as well.

maxmini · Oct 27th, 2003, 02:24 PM

The retiail price on it is listed at 650. This link will take you to the page where it isbeing shown. The product is being distributed by Moss Mini. I'm off to the install

http://www.mossmini.com/Browse/Plate...wProducts.aspx

maxmini · Nov 3rd, 2003, 07:09 AM

The header went on very easily and took less than a hour. The hardest part is getting the old one off. If you leave the last piece of pipe off you could work a high performance aftermarket cat in if you wanted. There is pleanty of room before the exhaust system starts. If you go to my site and then to the " events " page and then " mods and upgrades " I have several pics of the new and old systems and the unit in place. I also instaleld the new Borla sport/race exhaust system and the sound is like nothing i have ever heard before. In the high RPM range is is like a combination of race bike and ferrari only LOUDER

www.maxmini.net

Oct 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM	#1
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 1,314 Offline	Jackson Racing Header? Looks like yet another player in the header game: Quote: GOLETA, CA - The MINI is basically an overgrown, street-legal go-kart. Now the car is even more fun thanks to a new Race Header, developed exclusively for Moss Motors by the sport-compact performance specialists at Jackson Racing. This system is designed to be the best header value on the market, combining top-caliber construction and a three-piece design for easy installation. Dyno-testing revealed a 7.5-HP drive-wheel increase on a Cooper S. This three-phased header is manufactured by Jardine Performance, incorporating the same technology the company uses for its Honda Superbike exhausts. Each MINI header begins with U.S.-sourced T-304 stainless steel, chosen for the high chromium content that makes it the most corrosion-resistant stock available. Flanges are CNC-machined - not flame-cut - from 3/8"-thick stainless steel for warp-resistance. To scavenge the combustion chambers efficiently, the header's primary tubes step up three times in diameter before meeting at the true merge-style collector: The system's header and intermediate pipes receive a brushed finish, and the three-piece design makes it extremely installer-friendly. Applications are available for both the MINI Cooper and Cooper S. (Because installation requires removing the catalytic converter, this system is intended for competition vehicles that aren't subject to emissions testing.) For more information, visit www.mossmini.com or contact Moss Motors, Dept. ____, 440 Rutherford St., Goleta, CA 93117. Phone: 805-681-3411, Fax: 805-692-2525, Email: parts@mossmotors.com. http://www.automedia2000.com/jackson/jrreleases.htm Click the pic for a big version: '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Oct 15th, 2003, 10:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 1,314 Offline	So, here's the other MINI headers on the market: MINI-Mania with cat: $750.00 MINI-Mania without cat: $650.00 Milltek with cat: $785.00 (GBP 495.00) London Stainless with cat: $1300.00 Supersprint (must weld to existing cat): $649 Any others out there? Milltek girl : '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Oct 15th, 2003, 11:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
TonyB Don MINIo Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: South Bay Area, CA Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 1,704 Offline	i think the london stainless/quicksilver/militek might all be the same, and the only one that is 2.5". here is a link to randy's site, where they are now in the 800-900 range... http://www.webbmotorsports.com/exhaust-mcs.php '03 (9.6.02) MCS IB/W Lapis Blue Leather Mission = 10:1 (Weight:HP)

Oct 16th, 2003, 02:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Blue Thunder MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in Texas Local Time: 04:57 AM Posts: 370 Offline	A few questions On the Jackson system, what is flexing?? To deal with engine torque??? On the others with built in cats, are they ceramic or Metallic? What is the outlet diameter, and if it is larger than stock, do they offer the system after with larger tubing? On the last photo, Do you think she would want to jump ship and join the Supersprint team?? My mini is bigger than yours ... www.promini.com

Oct 17th, 2003, 04:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Blue Thunder MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in Texas Local Time: 04:57 AM Posts: 370 Offline	She's young, and doesn't know better Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed Yeah Forget the headers we will take the Miltec Hottie You'll have to forgive her, at that age they are so innocent and they just don't understand! If she were part of the Supersprint team she would quickly learn that the tri "Y" design of the Supersprint headers offers a wide torque power band, rather than the more peaky power band of the 4 into 1 header design. If performance exhaust systems were just a matter of welding pipes, we would all be doing our own! My mini is bigger than yours ... www.promini.com

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Oct 16th, 2003, 03:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
maxmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L,A california Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 97 Offline	The interesting differance between the Jackson item and all the rest is the " step up " in pipe sizes . This trick has been around a long time and does make a differance in many applications. Can't wait to see what it does for the mini .

Oct 17th, 2003, 03:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
R Speed MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 6 Offline	Yeah Forget the headers we will take the Miltec Hottie

Oct 17th, 2003, 04:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
R Speed MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 6 Offline	A try "Y" header is 9 times out of 10 what will put a smile on the face of most enthusiast looking form more low end and mid-range grunt. Still as far as 4 into 1s the stock piece does not look all that bad?

Oct 17th, 2003, 05:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Blue Thunder MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in Texas Local Time: 04:57 AM Posts: 370 Offline	Sorry! what did you say? I was looking at that Miltek setup again!! My mini is bigger than yours ... www.promini.com

Oct 17th, 2003, 05:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
R Speed MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 6 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Thunder Sorry! what did you say? I was looking at that Miltek setup again!! Uh? Did you you say Miltec? I thought you said Milk My 1 Year Old is an authority on milk production. Milk Booby You should see his eyes light up when we go to Hooters Cute babies make the best chick magnets. better yet still than puppys

Oct 17th, 2003, 05:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Blue Thunder MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in Texas Local Time: 04:57 AM Posts: 370 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed Uh? My 1 year is an authority on milk production. You should see his eyes light up when we go to Hooters Cute babies make the best chick magnets. better yet still than puppys I didn't know that?? I'll stop by the orphanage with my dog sled in the morning before I go to work! My mini is bigger than yours ... www.promini.com

Oct 17th, 2003, 05:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
R Speed MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 6 Offline	Someone is looking over my shoulder and I think I am in trouble.... Oh Hi S ...........Ohch Oho..

Oct 17th, 2003, 05:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Blue Thunder MINI2 Senior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in Texas Local Time: 04:57 AM Posts: 370 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by R Speed Someone is looking over my shoulder and I think I am in trouble.... Oh Hi S ...........Ohch Oho.. The length of the primary tubes determined the RPM of maxium performance. AGHHH! Where is the moderator when you need him! My mini is bigger than yours ... www.promini.com

Oct 17th, 2003, 06:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mugami MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 1,215 Offline	i just want to know if thats the sports pack for Miltec.. what does the Performance pack look like =) 02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run) 03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)

Oct 21st, 2003, 09:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
friedduck MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 248 Offline	So what's the story with no cat for the Jackson system? Do they leave you room (doesn't look like it) keep the existing cat? The pics for the Mini-Mania are odd. One 4-1 and one 4-2-1. Is that just the angle of the photo?

Oct 26th, 2003, 03:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
maxmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L,A california Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 97 Offline	I have the system in a box in front of me as we speak.I wil install it on monday if all goes well. As for the flex it looks like they use the same system as the super sprint with the two springs at the last flange. I wil take some pics and try to post asap,Randy

Oct 27th, 2003, 04:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
maxmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L,A california Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 97 Offline	I will be installing the Jackson item tomorow and I will try to post pics and a report tomorrow evening, Randy

Oct 27th, 2003, 09:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mugami MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 1,215 Offline	Randy ive been unable to find the header on the website.. mind if i ask what was the going price for it as well. 02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run) 03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)

Oct 27th, 2003, 02:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
maxmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L,A california Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 97 Offline	The retiail price on it is listed at 650. This link will take you to the page where it isbeing shown. The product is being distributed by Moss Mini. I'm off to the install http://www.mossmini.com/Browse/Plate...wProducts.aspx

Nov 3rd, 2003, 07:09 AM	#20 (permalink)
maxmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L,A california Local Time: 02:57 AM Posts: 97 Offline	easy deal The header went on very easily and took less than a hour. The hardest part is getting the old one off. If you leave the last piece of pipe off you could work a high performance aftermarket cat in if you wanted. There is pleanty of room before the exhaust system starts. If you go to my site and then to the " events " page and then " mods and upgrades " I have several pics of the new and old systems and the unit in place. I also instaleld the new Borla sport/race exhaust system and the sound is like nothing i have ever heard before. In the high RPM range is is like a combination of race bike and ferrari only LOUDER www.maxmini.net

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