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GTT 280 · Nov 13th, 2003, 11:50 AM

Hi,

Somebody posted this in March...

"The Cooper S Works delivers up to 216bhp at 0 degrees C apparently. 200bhp is guaranteed at +20C ambient temperature, with 187bhp at +40C. I wonder whether all these BHP tests are conducted under similar ambient temperatures - a few degrees here or there can make a hell of a difference. Either way I'm sure all the conversions will feel similarly quick."

Can anybody provide substantial comment on this ?

Spacer · Nov 13th, 2003, 11:59 AM

Certainly, I know ambient temperature can affect aircraft (even 10/20°C can have a huge difference), so I'd presume it can have an impact on cars.

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Nov 13th, 2003, 02:20 PM

I haven't heard of anyone removing their JCW MCS engine and running it on an engine dyno. I have heard of one JCW MCS on a chassis dyno in the UK, and it returned 170 whp, IIRC.

BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper!

bigbaddaboom · Nov 14th, 2003, 09:21 AM

Thanks Andy!

GTT 280 · Nov 14th, 2003, 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Andy@Ross-Tech.com

I haven't heard of anyone removing their JCW MCS engine and running it on an engine dyno. I have heard of one JCW MCS on a chassis dyno in the UK, and it returned 170 whp, IIRC.

BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper!

What does whp and IIRC stand for ?

bigbaddaboom · Nov 14th, 2003, 09:45 AM

whp = Wheel Horse Power (i.e. the power at the wheels not at the crank)

IIRC - If I Recall Correctly

edit: and he didn't recall correctly it was 172....

bigbaddaboom · Nov 14th, 2003, 11:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Andy@Ross-Tech.com

BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper!

Hey Andy, where's that picture of Mike Cooper with the cheesey grin you like to post....

LMB · Nov 14th, 2003, 12:01 PM

Mr Cooper only wanted to sell the Kits in the UK, it was BMW who suggested global. Marketing master stroke on BMW's behalf.

They've managed to turn a £14.5K car into a £20K one.

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Nov 14th, 2003, 01:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bigbaddaboom

whp = Wheel Horse Power (i.e. the power at the wheels not at the crank)

IIRC - If I Recall Correctly

edit: and he didn't recall correctly it was 172....

I should have said IIRU

Heeeeeeeere's Mike:

LMB · Nov 14th, 2003, 01:56 PM

LOL......that is one big grin alright.

bigbaddaboom · Nov 14th, 2003, 02:34 PM

That's 172 uncorrected....

Nov 13th, 2003, 11:50 AM	#1
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 2,489 Offline	JCW MCS - True BHP Hi, Somebody posted this in March... "The Cooper S Works delivers up to 216bhp at 0 degrees C apparently. 200bhp is guaranteed at +20C ambient temperature, with 187bhp at +40C. I wonder whether all these BHP tests are conducted under similar ambient temperatures - a few degrees here or there can make a hell of a difference. Either way I'm sure all the conversions will feel similarly quick." Can anybody provide substantial comment on this ? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Nov 13th, 2003, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 06:28 PM Posts: 1,338 Offline	I haven't heard of anyone removing their JCW MCS engine and running it on an engine dyno. I have heard of one JCW MCS on a chassis dyno in the UK, and it returned 170 whp, IIRC. BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper! '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Nov 14th, 2003, 09:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 2,489 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Andy@Ross-Tech.com I haven't heard of anyone removing their JCW MCS engine and running it on an engine dyno. I have heard of one JCW MCS on a chassis dyno in the UK, and it returned 170 whp, IIRC. BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper! What does whp and IIRC stand for ? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Nov 14th, 2003, 09:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
bigbaddaboom MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 1,297 Offline	whp = Wheel Horse Power (i.e. the power at the wheels not at the crank) IIRC - If I Recall Correctly edit: and he didn't recall correctly it was 172.... Last edited by bigbaddaboom : Nov 14th, 2003 at 11:48 AM.

Nov 14th, 2003, 12:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Mr Cooper only wanted to sell the Kits in the UK, it was BMW who suggested global. Marketing master stroke on BMW's behalf. They've managed to turn a £14.5K car into a £20K one. Global Moderator

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Nov 13th, 2003, 11:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Spacer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern Ireland, bu Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 174 Offline	Certainly, I know ambient temperature can affect aircraft (even 10/20°C can have a huge difference), so I'd presume it can have an impact on cars.

Nov 14th, 2003, 09:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigbaddaboom MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 1,297 Offline	Thanks Andy!

Nov 14th, 2003, 11:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
bigbaddaboom MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 1,297 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Andy@Ross-Tech.com BTW, even though I would never buy it, the JCW kit seems to be priced right for the marketplace. They don't have any problem finding buyers to cough up ~$5500-$6000 installed for them. Bravo, Mr. Cooper! Hey Andy, where's that picture of Mike Cooper with the cheesey grin you like to post....

Nov 14th, 2003, 01:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 06:28 PM Posts: 1,338 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by bigbaddaboom whp = Wheel Horse Power (i.e. the power at the wheels not at the crank) IIRC - If I Recall Correctly edit: and he didn't recall correctly it was 172.... I should have said IIRU Heeeeeeeere's Mike: '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Nov 14th, 2003, 01:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 24,895 Offline	LOL......that is one big grin alright. Global Moderator

Nov 14th, 2003, 02:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
bigbaddaboom MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Local Time: 11:28 PM Posts: 1,297 Offline	That's 172 uncorrected....

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