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lex76 · Feb 9th, 2004, 10:06 AM

I have a Sept 2002 cooper S. I'd like to change the whole brake kit, front for sure and maybe back.
I found lots of brake kits but I'd like one that would fit in my 17" wheels and that would need small spacers if necessary.
I'd also like to know if there is a Braking kit from one of the main companies that is considered official MINI product, cause I got the mini care paket that will not be valid anymore if all accessories on my mini are not official.
Thx ALEX

Have looked at Tarox Brembo JCW Alpina ...
Anyone?

mfc · Feb 10th, 2004, 04:18 PM

I have braided stainless lines with EBC green stuff pade, like 'em a lot. Will most likely do drilled and slotted rotors in the furure as well

Hobbe · Feb 10th, 2004, 04:39 PM

JCW will release their brake kit this month . Thats more or less the only BMW approved option you've got....
However, depending on you dealer, other options might be OK. Brembo GT/GT JR would be a nice alternative.

scpaul · Feb 12th, 2004, 05:52 AM

I vote for Tar-Ox, if you would drive hard!!!! Someone may argue that do you need such an "overkilled" system. For me, the shorter breaking distance, the better.

Hubert · Feb 12th, 2004, 06:43 AM

lex76,

What choices of brake kits do you have in Italy? What wheels are you using? If you want a brake kit that fits inside the stock 17" S-spokes without spacers, then you're left with waiting for the JCW kit (no info yet), or the more affordable UUC (releasing soon). It's not really worthwhile to order brakes from overseas because shipping will cost you a lot, unless you can find a very good deal.

In general, you don't really need to upgrade the rears, because the fronts do most of the braking work, unless you have a superstiff front suspension setting

If you insist, upgrading the rear brake pads will probably do the job.

Paul, I'm sure the Tar-Ox 10-pot is good. I just find it annoying that the ABS kicks in so early (as if I'm braking on wet surface), maybe R-tyres would help

Never tried this combo. Might be a good idea to tweak the ABS setting, if possible. I suspect the brake bias for this one might be too much on the fronts!? Have you ever compared the braking distance using this kit against others using other brake kits, or stock setup, side by side, everything else being equal?

lex76 · Feb 12th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Sent an email to JCW and got this in reply:
Thanks for your email we will be bringing out a big brake kit it will be marketed through John Cooper Motorsport and therefore only available mail order from us in the next 4 weeks

Best regards

JCW

from Richard De Jong

can't wait

scpaul · Feb 12th, 2004, 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hubert

lex76,

Paul, I'm sure the Tar-Ox 10-pot is good. I just find it annoying that the ABS kicks in so early (as if I'm braking on wet surface), maybe R-tyres would help

Never tried this combo. Might be a good idea to tweak the ABS setting, if possible. I suspect the brake bias for this one might be too much on the fronts!? Have you ever compared the braking distance using this kit against others using other brake kits, or stock setup, side by side, everything else being equal?

Sorry I don't have side by side comparision of breaking distance, neither I don't have ABS early kick in problem. I use EBC break oil, would it be the factor of early kick in?
Since I used TarOx, many people follow this modification. Some of them used Stoptech, some used AP, but now they all agree the best break system is TarOx. And recommend it to new MCS owner wholeheartly.
I just upgrade my Tar-Ox 10 pot system to the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system, it's awesome.

scpaul · Feb 12th, 2004, 02:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by scpaul

Sorry I don't have side by side comparision of breaking distance, neither I don't have ABS early kick in problem. I use EBC break oil, would it be the factor of early kick in?
Since I used TarOx, many people follow this modification. Some of them used Stoptech, some used AP, but now they all agree the best break system is TarOx. And recommend it to new MCS owner wholeheartly.
I just upgrade my Tar-Ox 10 pot system to the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system, it's awesome.

Forgot to mention, I have also Pro-Mini bigger (323mm) disk on my rear (made by Tar-Ox).
http://www.promini.com/products/tarox.shtml , I don't know this help the balance/distribution of breaking force or not, I will write an email to ask.

Hubert · Feb 12th, 2004, 03:17 PM

Thanks for the details, Paul

May I ask what tyres you're running on?
What's the difference between the Tar-Ox 10 pot system and the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system? Promini appears to be selling one version only

Hubert · Feb 12th, 2004, 03:18 PM

Yes, I'd love to see what JCW can come up with this time

They've got plenty of $$$ for R&D now.

scpaul · Feb 12th, 2004, 03:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hubert

Thanks for the details, Paul

May I ask what tyres you're running on?
What's the difference between the Tar-Ox 10 pot system and the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system? Promini appears to be selling one version only

I run P Zero Nero on mine, and one of my friend use Continental CSC2, we both are happy with this setting.

The ceramic rotor provide higher temp tolerance. I don't remember precisely, but at least 150 degree C higher. And the rotor takes heat away quicker. One drawback of Tarox is that you will hear noise at low speed, I believe that's due to the pad. Also durability is better. The weight is about the same, so it doesn't help much on unsprung weight. I know M7 has new ceramic break, honestly, I don't consider that because of the look, doesn't fit my wheel. (BBS RV-F)
I just got my ceramic rotor few days ago, not from Pro-Mini, the dear told me it's from Tarox directly. I will post my feedback of this new rotor, still need time to feel it

Hubert · Feb 13th, 2004, 01:43 AM

It could be the tyres, or the extent of warm up that makes the difference then

Hard to say....

MINIALEX · Feb 13th, 2004, 12:24 PM

I also want to upgrade my brakes as they are in general pretty poor - any idea on cost of JCW upgrade

ChrisBuer · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:11 PM

JCW informed me that the "rough" cost for their brake conversion would be around £800 (excl. fitting I think).

Hope this helps!

Intrepid · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:17 PM

Would have thought it'd be around the £1400 or so mark.... hopefully I'm wrong...!

ChrisBuer · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:19 PM

Nope defianately around £800. I spoke to them yesterday!

Intrepid · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisBuer

Nope defianately around £800. I spoke to them yesterday!

Wicked!! for 4??

ChrisBuer · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:24 PM

To be honest I didn't ask that. I assumed they only upgraded the front brakes with bigger discs and calipers. However, it could be all 4.

The guy at JCW said "the brake kit, for a ballpark figure, will be around £800"

Thats £200 pop a corner, does that seem realistic?

Intrepid · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:42 PM

From what I have gathered in mags etc it would seem incredibly reasonable. AP and Brembo etc do a full set for £1600 - £800 ish a pair. I'm guessing that £800 is for 2 - however if I'm wrong I'll be a very happy girl! do you know who you spoke to at JCW and if they're going to put the info up on their website?

thanks!

ChrisBuer · Feb 13th, 2004, 03:48 PM

The info will be going on their new website along with the seats and other options they are bringing out.

I don't know who I spoke to at JCW but he was extremely helpful. If I were you I'd give them a call as well!

Feb 9th, 2004, 10:06 AM	#1
lex76 MINI LOVER Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Padova,Italy Local Time: 11:18 AM Posts: 152 Offline	Want to upgrade my BRAKES I have a Sept 2002 cooper S. I'd like to change the whole brake kit, front for sure and maybe back. I found lots of brake kits but I'd like one that would fit in my 17" wheels and that would need small spacers if necessary. I'd also like to know if there is a Braking kit from one of the main companies that is considered official MINI product, cause I got the mini care paket that will not be valid anymore if all accessories on my mini are not official. Thx ALEX Have looked at Tarox Brembo JCW Alpina ... Anyone? My car - THE BEAST - A BESTIA Last edited by lex76 : Feb 9th, 2004 at 11:29 AM.

Feb 10th, 2004, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
mfc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Local Time: 05:18 AM Posts: 89 Offline	I have braided stainless lines with EBC green stuff pade, like 'em a lot. Will most likely do drilled and slotted rotors in the furure as well mfc = Mini Fast Car... Pearl Jam tune!

Feb 10th, 2004, 04:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hobbe Absolut MINI Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stockholm Local Time: 11:18 AM Posts: 729 Offline	JCW will release their brake kit this month . Thats more or less the only BMW approved option you've got.... However, depending on you dealer, other options might be OK. Brembo GT/GT JR would be a nice alternative. MCS WORKS GP 0120 WWW.BMWSC.COM

Feb 12th, 2004, 06:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Hubert Track Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 555 Offline	lex76, What choices of brake kits do you have in Italy? What wheels are you using? If you want a brake kit that fits inside the stock 17" S-spokes without spacers, then you're left with waiting for the JCW kit (no info yet), or the more affordable UUC (releasing soon). It's not really worthwhile to order brakes from overseas because shipping will cost you a lot, unless you can find a very good deal. In general, you don't really need to upgrade the rears, because the fronts do most of the braking work, unless you have a superstiff front suspension setting If you insist, upgrading the rear brake pads will probably do the job. Paul, I'm sure the Tar-Ox 10-pot is good. I just find it annoying that the ABS kicks in so early (as if I'm braking on wet surface), maybe R-tyres would help Never tried this combo. Might be a good idea to tweak the ABS setting, if possible. I suspect the brake bias for this one might be too much on the fronts!? Have you ever compared the braking distance using this kit against others using other brake kits, or stock setup, side by side, everything else being equal? Road: 2002 MCS with KW V2 and other bolt-ons Track: Lotus Elise race car

Feb 12th, 2004, 08:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
lex76 MINI LOVER Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Padova,Italy Local Time: 11:18 AM Posts: 152 Offline	Sent an email to JCW and got this in reply: Thanks for your email we will be bringing out a big brake kit it will be marketed through John Cooper Motorsport and therefore only available mail order from us in the next 4 weeks Best regards JCW from Richard De Jong can't wait My car - THE BEAST - A BESTIA Last edited by lex76 : Feb 12th, 2004 at 09:02 AM.

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Feb 12th, 2004, 05:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
scpaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Taipei Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 149 Offline	I vote for Tar-Ox, if you would drive hard!!!! Someone may argue that do you need such an "overkilled" system. For me, the shorter breaking distance, the better.

Feb 12th, 2004, 02:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
scpaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Taipei Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 149 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hubert lex76, Paul, I'm sure the Tar-Ox 10-pot is good. I just find it annoying that the ABS kicks in so early (as if I'm braking on wet surface), maybe R-tyres would help Never tried this combo. Might be a good idea to tweak the ABS setting, if possible. I suspect the brake bias for this one might be too much on the fronts!? Have you ever compared the braking distance using this kit against others using other brake kits, or stock setup, side by side, everything else being equal? Sorry I don't have side by side comparision of breaking distance, neither I don't have ABS early kick in problem. I use EBC break oil, would it be the factor of early kick in? Since I used TarOx, many people follow this modification. Some of them used Stoptech, some used AP, but now they all agree the best break system is TarOx. And recommend it to new MCS owner wholeheartly. I just upgrade my Tar-Ox 10 pot system to the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system, it's awesome.

Feb 12th, 2004, 02:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
scpaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Taipei Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 149 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scpaul Sorry I don't have side by side comparision of breaking distance, neither I don't have ABS early kick in problem. I use EBC break oil, would it be the factor of early kick in? Since I used TarOx, many people follow this modification. Some of them used Stoptech, some used AP, but now they all agree the best break system is TarOx. And recommend it to new MCS owner wholeheartly. I just upgrade my Tar-Ox 10 pot system to the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system, it's awesome. Forgot to mention, I have also Pro-Mini bigger (323mm) disk on my rear (made by Tar-Ox). http://www.promini.com/products/tarox.shtml , I don't know this help the balance/distribution of breaking force or not, I will write an email to ask.

Feb 12th, 2004, 03:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hubert Track Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 555 Offline	Thanks for the details, Paul May I ask what tyres you're running on? What's the difference between the Tar-Ox 10 pot system and the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system? Promini appears to be selling one version only Road: 2002 MCS with KW V2 and other bolt-ons Track: Lotus Elise race car

Feb 12th, 2004, 03:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hubert Track Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 555 Offline	Yes, I'd love to see what JCW can come up with this time They've got plenty of $$$ for R&D now. Road: 2002 MCS with KW V2 and other bolt-ons Track: Lotus Elise race car

Feb 12th, 2004, 03:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
scpaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Taipei Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 149 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hubert Thanks for the details, Paul May I ask what tyres you're running on? What's the difference between the Tar-Ox 10 pot system and the Tarox 10 pot ceramic coating system? Promini appears to be selling one version only I run P Zero Nero on mine, and one of my friend use Continental CSC2, we both are happy with this setting. The ceramic rotor provide higher temp tolerance. I don't remember precisely, but at least 150 degree C higher. And the rotor takes heat away quicker. One drawback of Tarox is that you will hear noise at low speed, I believe that's due to the pad. Also durability is better. The weight is about the same, so it doesn't help much on unsprung weight. I know M7 has new ceramic break, honestly, I don't consider that because of the look, doesn't fit my wheel. (BBS RV-F) I just got my ceramic rotor few days ago, not from Pro-Mini, the dear told me it's from Tarox directly. I will post my feedback of this new rotor, still need time to feel it

Feb 13th, 2004, 01:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hubert Track Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 05:18 PM Posts: 555 Offline	It could be the tyres, or the extent of warm up that makes the difference then Hard to say.... Road: 2002 MCS with KW V2 and other bolt-ons Track: Lotus Elise race car

Feb 13th, 2004, 12:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
MINIALEX MINI2 Master Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LEICESTERSHIRE Local Time: 10:18 AM Posts: 1,077 Offline	I also want to upgrade my brakes as they are in general pretty poor - any idea on cost of JCW upgrade Cometh the Hour, Cometh the MINI

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 893 Offline	JCW informed me that the "rough" cost for their brake conversion would be around £800 (excl. fitting I think). Hope this helps! Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Intrepid Gutter Princess Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Planet Hoff Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 3,477 Offline	Would have thought it'd be around the £1400 or so mark.... hopefully I'm wrong...! http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/11588/54205.jpg

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 893 Offline	Nope defianately around £800. I spoke to them yesterday! Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
Intrepid Gutter Princess Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Planet Hoff Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 3,477 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisBuer Nope defianately around £800. I spoke to them yesterday! Wicked!! for 4?? http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/11588/54205.jpg

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 893 Offline	To be honest I didn't ask that. I assumed they only upgraded the front brakes with bigger discs and calipers. However, it could be all 4. The guy at JCW said "the brake kit, for a ballpark figure, will be around £800" Thats £200 pop a corner, does that seem realistic? Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
Intrepid Gutter Princess Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Planet Hoff Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 3,477 Offline	From what I have gathered in mags etc it would seem incredibly reasonable. AP and Brembo etc do a full set for £1600 - £800 ish a pair. I'm guessing that £800 is for 2 - however if I'm wrong I'll be a very happy girl! do you know who you spoke to at JCW and if they're going to put the info up on their website? thanks! http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/11588/54205.jpg

Feb 13th, 2004, 03:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:18 AM Posts: 893 Offline	The info will be going on their new website along with the seats and other options they are bringing out. I don't know who I spoke to at JCW but he was extremely helpful. If I were you I'd give them a call as well! Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

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