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tc · May 13th, 2002, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AV51HCC
I've had a PK222 Standard Pipercross Induction kit on for a couple of months now, it's easy to fit and reversible so you can put the old filter back on. It makes the car slightly more responsive and it gives it a more throaty sound, especially after about 4000rpm! Buy one, they're wicked!
(i didn't go for the Viper because: 1. you can't put the old box back on, and 2. it costs about £150 more.)

allreeet me old m8, I remember you asking about disconnecting the battery when fitting the induction kit (I think it was u anyway) so that the engine management got re programmed to accept the bigger air intake or something like that.

Did you disconnect it and what was the outcome?

TC.

minimatt · May 13th, 2002, 04:49 AM

no, i still havent done it! doh!

I'll try and do it 2nite and see what happens......

tc · May 13th, 2002, 05:06 AM

OK i'll wait to hear from u.

TC

mini-mini · May 13th, 2002, 05:42 AM

i have a pipercross viper on my mini,

the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits,

well worth my money.

Tom

Dom · May 13th, 2002, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mini-mini
i have a pipercross viper on my mini,

the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits,

well worth my money.

Tom

Does this affect TLC do you know? It says that it's invalidated by engine mods and your induction kit may be more noticeable than most!

Dom

tc · May 13th, 2002, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mini-mini
i have a pipercross viper on my mini,

the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits,

well worth my money.

Tom

I was going to get the viper at first but then I learnt that you had to permanently remove a part under the bonnet to fit it so that put me off, and the extra money.

TC

minimatt · May 13th, 2002, 05:52 AM

i would imagine that the increase you get from the viper compared to the Pk222 would be minimal, but you get a lot of extra hassel, i.e. TLC/Warranty queries, cutting parts of the car off etc.

mini-mini · May 13th, 2002, 06:42 PM

well if u call 5bhp difference minimal then thats cool with me and i did not pay that much for it.

also y should i be worried about tlc? covers my services e.t.c and my warranty is still fine,

the only thing i have done is killed my airfilter warranty as i have not touched the engine?

Tom

plus it looks better than foam

Beau · May 14th, 2002, 09:46 AM

Dom,

Do you have a photo of how you've arranged this cold air feed?
What is the pipe made from?

I just ordered my Pipercross from Mini-madness.com and
just can't wait!

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Both those pictures are from the pipercross website so I don't know whose MINI's they are.

It's easier to look at the benefits of cold air that look at the problems with hot air.

Cold air is more dense (molecules vibrating less and so take up less space) than warm air. The denser the air, the more oxygen molecules you'll have in a certain amount of space. The more oxygen there is, the bigger the explosion in the cylinder meaning more downward force, thus more power.

I've arranged a cold air feed for my induction kit which basically consists of a pipe pointing towards it from the original air intake.

Dom

Dom · May 14th, 2002, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beau
Dom,

Do you have a photo of how you've arranged this cold air feed?
What is the pipe made from?

Unfortunately the pipe is somewhere in the country all on its lonesome after bailing out of the car, probably during one of the 110mph+ stints...

It was basically a flexible pipe a couple of inches in diameter placed in the current air feed for where the airbox would be and pointing at the induction kit... It was made from a foil of some kind...

However, the pipercross is a different design to what I am using in that mine doesn't have the 90 degree bend and so points a different way - what difference that makes I don't know...

Dom

Beau · May 14th, 2002, 09:58 AM

Thanks!
I was thinking some aluminum clothes dryer vent hose would work. I suppose I'll try to anchor it well since I regularly drive 110+ mph too.
So are you running ok without worrying about getting cold air in there?

Dom · May 14th, 2002, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beau
Thanks!
I was thinking some aluminum clothes dryer vent hose would work. I suppose I'll try to anchor it well since I regularly drive 110+ mph too.
So are you running ok without worrying about getting cold air in there?

Yup, that hose should work fine... and your anchoring method shouldn't be "wedge it in and hope for the best" (funny, sounds a lot worse than it should...)

Yeah, it's running fine since cold air goes in that general direction anyway without the hose, it just made it less of a 'general direction'... It even idles fine in traffic, and a hose would really help in that situation...

Hope that's of some help,

Dom

cmt · May 14th, 2002, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
However, the pipercross is a different design to what I am using in that mine doesn't have the 90 degree bend

What are you using Dom? sorry if that's been asked before.
Col.

Skinnyrunt · May 14th, 2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tc

allreeet me old m8, I remember you asking about disconnecting the battery when fitting the induction kit (I think it was u anyway) so that the engine management got re programmed to accept the bigger air intake or something like that.

Did you disconnect it and what was the outcome?

TC.

I disconnected mine the other week and nothing noticeable happened....car memory things still stored etc etc

minimatt · May 15th, 2002, 04:14 AM

yeah i disconnected mine last nite 2, but nothing noticable happened...

Dom · May 15th, 2002, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cmt

What are you using Dom? sorry if that's been asked before.
Col.

A Green Induction Kit from a Saxo VTS

Dom

cmt · May 15th, 2002, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
A Green Induction Kit from a Saxo VTS

Thanks for the info. seeing as you posted before that you don't know how much difference there is between yours and the PiperX one, I'll not ask

Dom · May 15th, 2002, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cmt

Thanks for the info. seeing as you posted before that you don't know how much difference there is between yours and the PiperX one, I'll not ask

But you wanna know anyway

Mine points across the engine bay, piperx has 90degree bend and points down the engine bay. I really doubt if there's that much difference in power - I've gained 1.5 bhp and 12 lb/ft of torque!! Which is nice...

I haven't seen performance figures for a piperx though

Dom

tc · May 17th, 2002, 11:50 AM

WooooHooooo!

just fitted the piperx induction kit.
Sounds ace

off to do some loud motoring.

TC

kupritz · May 17th, 2002, 12:01 PM

TC,

please report back as to how the new system performs!

May 13th, 2002, 04:43 AM	#61
tc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Worsley, Manchester Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 256 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by AV51HCC I've had a PK222 Standard Pipercross Induction kit on for a couple of months now, it's easy to fit and reversible so you can put the old filter back on. It makes the car slightly more responsive and it gives it a more throaty sound, especially after about 4000rpm! Buy one, they're wicked! (i didn't go for the Viper because: 1. you can't put the old box back on, and 2. it costs about £150 more.) allreeet me old m8, I remember you asking about disconnecting the battery when fitting the induction kit (I think it was u anyway) so that the engine management got re programmed to accept the bigger air intake or something like that. Did you disconnect it and what was the outcome? TC. DS/W 'S', Chilli, Sony CDX M630 Head unit

May 13th, 2002, 05:06 AM	#63 (permalink)
tc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Worsley, Manchester Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 256 Offline	OK i'll wait to hear from u. TC DS/W 'S', Chilli, Sony CDX M630 Head unit

May 13th, 2002, 05:42 AM	#64 (permalink)
mini-mini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: HERTS Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 207 Offline	filters i have a pipercross viper on my mini, the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits, well worth my money. Tom Honda Civic Type R

May 13th, 2002, 05:45 AM	#65 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	Re: filters Quote: Originally posted by mini-mini i have a pipercross viper on my mini, the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits, well worth my money. Tom Does this affect TLC do you know? It says that it's invalidated by engine mods and your induction kit may be more noticeable than most! Dom

May 13th, 2002, 05:47 AM	#66 (permalink)
tc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Worsley, Manchester Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 256 Offline	Re: filters Quote: Originally posted by mini-mini i have a pipercross viper on my mini, the difference is very noticeable from 2000 rpm she picks up better, shes not like a jumbo but now has a more refined growl and deep sucking noise, also acts as a ram air filter becasue it has a direct airflow from front grill no hot air from engine unlike all other induction kits, well worth my money. Tom I was going to get the viper at first but then I learnt that you had to permanently remove a part under the bonnet to fit it so that put me off, and the extra money. TC DS/W 'S', Chilli, Sony CDX M630 Head unit

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May 13th, 2002, 04:49 AM	#62 (permalink)
minimatt MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridgeshire, Engl Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 323 Offline	no, i still havent done it! doh! I'll try and do it 2nite and see what happens......

May 13th, 2002, 05:52 AM	#67 (permalink)
minimatt MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridgeshire, Engl Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 323 Offline	i would imagine that the increase you get from the viper compared to the Pk222 would be minimal, but you get a lot of extra hassel, i.e. TLC/Warranty queries, cutting parts of the car off etc.

May 13th, 2002, 06:42 PM	#68 (permalink)
mini-mini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: HERTS Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 207 Offline	? well if u call 5bhp difference minimal then thats cool with me and i did not pay that much for it. also y should i be worried about tlc? covers my services e.t.c and my warranty is still fine, the only thing i have done is killed my airfilter warranty as i have not touched the engine? Tom plus it looks better than foam Honda Civic Type R

May 14th, 2002, 09:46 AM	#69 (permalink)
Beau MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Richmond, Va Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 134 Offline	Dom, Do you have a photo of how you've arranged this cold air feed? What is the pipe made from? I just ordered my Pipercross from Mini-madness.com and just can't wait! Thanks! Quote: Originally posted by Dom Both those pictures are from the pipercross website so I don't know whose MINI's they are. It's easier to look at the benefits of cold air that look at the problems with hot air. Cold air is more dense (molecules vibrating less and so take up less space) than warm air. The denser the air, the more oxygen molecules you'll have in a certain amount of space. The more oxygen there is, the bigger the explosion in the cylinder meaning more downward force, thus more power. I've arranged a cold air feed for my induction kit which basically consists of a pipe pointing towards it from the original air intake. Dom

May 14th, 2002, 09:54 AM	#70 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Beau Dom, Do you have a photo of how you've arranged this cold air feed? What is the pipe made from? Unfortunately the pipe is somewhere in the country all on its lonesome after bailing out of the car, probably during one of the 110mph+ stints... It was basically a flexible pipe a couple of inches in diameter placed in the current air feed for where the airbox would be and pointing at the induction kit... It was made from a foil of some kind... However, the pipercross is a different design to what I am using in that mine doesn't have the 90 degree bend and so points a different way - what difference that makes I don't know... Dom

May 14th, 2002, 09:58 AM	#71 (permalink)
Beau MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Richmond, Va Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 134 Offline	Thanks! I was thinking some aluminum clothes dryer vent hose would work. I suppose I'll try to anchor it well since I regularly drive 110+ mph too. So are you running ok without worrying about getting cold air in there?

May 14th, 2002, 10:06 AM	#72 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Beau Thanks! I was thinking some aluminum clothes dryer vent hose would work. I suppose I'll try to anchor it well since I regularly drive 110+ mph too. So are you running ok without worrying about getting cold air in there? Yup, that hose should work fine... and your anchoring method shouldn't be "wedge it in and hope for the best" (funny, sounds a lot worse than it should...) Yeah, it's running fine since cold air goes in that general direction anyway without the hose, it just made it less of a 'general direction'... It even idles fine in traffic, and a hose would really help in that situation... Hope that's of some help, Dom

May 14th, 2002, 10:19 AM	#73 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 1,211 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Dom However, the pipercross is a different design to what I am using in that mine doesn't have the 90 degree bend What are you using Dom? sorry if that's been asked before. Col. Currently driving: Silver Volkswagen Lupo GTi, 6 speed, 125bhp

May 14th, 2002, 05:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
Skinnyrunt M2 Bapmaster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: cheshire/staffs bord Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 3,145 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by tc allreeet me old m8, I remember you asking about disconnecting the battery when fitting the induction kit (I think it was u anyway) so that the engine management got re programmed to accept the bigger air intake or something like that. Did you disconnect it and what was the outcome? TC. I disconnected mine the other week and nothing noticeable happened....car memory things still stored etc etc

May 15th, 2002, 04:14 AM	#75 (permalink)
minimatt MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridgeshire, Engl Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 323 Offline	yeah i disconnected mine last nite 2, but nothing noticable happened...

May 15th, 2002, 05:45 AM	#76 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cmt What are you using Dom? sorry if that's been asked before. Col. A Green Induction Kit from a Saxo VTS Dom

May 15th, 2002, 06:13 AM	#77 (permalink)
cmt MINI2 Lurker + Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Westhoughton, NW Eng Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 1,211 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Dom A Green Induction Kit from a Saxo VTS Thanks for the info. seeing as you posted before that you don't know how much difference there is between yours and the PiperX one, I'll not ask Currently driving: Silver Volkswagen Lupo GTi, 6 speed, 125bhp

May 15th, 2002, 06:24 AM	#78 (permalink)
Dom Test thread infiltrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Swindon Local Time: 11:37 PM Posts: 8,543 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cmt Thanks for the info. seeing as you posted before that you don't know how much difference there is between yours and the PiperX one, I'll not ask But you wanna know anyway Mine points across the engine bay, piperx has 90degree bend and points down the engine bay. I really doubt if there's that much difference in power - I've gained 1.5 bhp and 12 lb/ft of torque!! Which is nice... I haven't seen performance figures for a piperx though Dom

May 17th, 2002, 11:50 AM	#79 (permalink)
tc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Worsley, Manchester Local Time: 10:37 PM Posts: 256 Offline	WooooHooooo! just fitted the piperx induction kit. Sounds ace off to do some loud motoring. TC DS/W 'S', Chilli, Sony CDX M630 Head unit

May 17th, 2002, 12:01 PM	#80 (permalink)
kupritz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 04:37 PM Posts: 2 Offline	TC, please report back as to how the new system performs!

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