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Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 01:07 AM

Does anyone know when the LSD will be available on the MCS?

My MCS is due in late October and I want to know if the LSD will be installed standard or if it will be an option (not on the option list at this time as you all probably know).

Thanks!

Paul · Aug 12th, 2004, 01:36 AM

It will be optional on January 2005 builds onwards. As I "dreamt" back in October 2003.

"Another rumour from the mill, LSD for Cooper S..."

More details also in the news section www.mini2.com/news/

Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 05:14 AM

Do you think it is a must-have? I of course am considering as my MCS is due in late October. Performance is already at a high level....better traction would give it better performance...but will it be just a small increase?

Paul · Aug 12th, 2004, 08:11 AM

There's quite a lot of debate on this already, but it really depends how you're going to use your MCS. If you plan to drive it hard and fast a lot, then it's probably a worth while investment (depending on cost) but it will make (should make) quite a difference to the behaviour of the car. To be honest at 170 bhp the S wont need so much as it would if you upgrade to the 200+ bhp mark with one of the various aftermarket kits.

Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 04:07 PM

Do you know if we will be able to purchase the LSD after the fact and have it installed?

Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 04:09 PM

The dealer I am working with doubts it will be an option to purchase later and then have installed....hmmm...should I wait?

MINIAC · Aug 12th, 2004, 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs

The dealer I am working with doubts it will be an option to purchase later and then have installed....hmmm...should I wait?

You can always purchase an aftermarket unit (Quaife, Phantom Grip) and have it installed. Of course, this will probably be more expensive than the factory installed unit.

You still haven't answered Paul's question as to what plans you have for your MCS ... autocross, upgrades for more horsepower, etc.

Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 05:21 PM

Going to leave it stock and it will be my daily driver. I will be driving in a spirited manner and in this area of Southern California there are numerous fantastic drives through the mountains that can be made challenging...thus I lean towards having the LSD. Then again, logically, since most of the weight of this vehicle is over the drive wheels, and since the LSD would only be activated with slippage, in my driving in mostly dry weather with the location of the weight, there might not be much slippage. Except during the few winter months or in the more extreme cornering situations. Is this thinking acurate regarding the functioning of the LSD?

Barnabas · Aug 12th, 2004, 05:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs

Going to leave it stock and it will be my daily driver. I will be driving in a spirited manner and in this area of Southern California there are numerous fantastic drives through the mountains that can be made challenging...thus I lean towards having the LSD. Then again, logically, since most of the weight of this vehicle is over the drive wheels, and since the LSD would only be activated with slippage, in my driving in mostly dry weather with the location of the weight, there might not be much slippage. Except during the few winter months or in the more extreme cornering situations. Is this thinking acurate regarding the functioning of the LSD?

LSD helps acelerate out of turns w/o wheelspin. But the stock MCS doesn't have enough power to create wheelspin. So you should be fine w/o LSD. At 200+ hp like paul said you should really consider it.

RobHardyUK · Aug 12th, 2004, 07:40 PM

January onwards, ill have this. I love LSD's.

Andromcs · Aug 12th, 2004, 07:45 PM

Barnabas,

Have you had instances on dry tar where you have had wheel spin that would have been a time where you would have liked to have a lsd? Was it, or were they severe or more minimal?

Thanks.

RobHardyUK · Aug 12th, 2004, 08:41 PM

Ive emailed my saleswomen about this 1!

kyriian · Aug 13th, 2004, 12:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs

Do you know if we will be able to purchase the LSD after the fact and have it installed?

of course.. alot of people have installed lsds on their tranny

the problem is the ridiculous labor related to installing it... you are looking at 6-7 hours minimum! one reason im staying away from the lsd unless i can do the clutch and flywheel as well

Z1GZAG N · Aug 14th, 2004, 12:01 AM

[quote=Barnabas] But the stock MCS doesn't have enough power to create wheelspin. [quote]

Not sure what S model you're driving, but my MCS will light the inside tire when I accelerate from a stop light while making a turn.

Still, unless you're going to install a smaller pulley, or boost the power some other way, I don't feel it's a necessity.

Crank the HP up to 200 hp and you've wasted you money without getting the LSD.

Paul · Aug 14th, 2004, 12:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Z1GZAG N

Crank the HP up to 200 hp and you've wasted you money without getting the LSD.

I don't know what 200 hp MINIs you've driven, but they're no waste of money, with or without an LSD!

Hammer · Aug 14th, 2004, 12:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

I don't know what 200 hp MINIs you've driven, but they're no waste of money, with or without an LSD!

I have to agree with the Mullett.

obehave · Aug 14th, 2004, 04:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hammer

I have to agree with the Mullett.

I'll 3rd that.
I really don't think my 200HP MINI is a waste.
Quite fun IMO.

Yes I do wish I had an LSD but that won't happen any time soon. Car does qite well without it.

cwwhk · Aug 14th, 2004, 05:21 AM

If you do a lot of track days with your MCS and getting maximum performance from your stock MCS is top priority then an LSD is worthwhile. For spirited but safe street driving, you don't need an LSD.

My MCS in stock trim will light up the right tire if I launch it at 3,500rpm at standing start. The inside tire will also lose traction for a long time under full throttle acceleration out of tight corners.

Now that I have upgraded it with a JCW kit, an LSD is definitely worthwhile for maximum track performance. I have not had any time to track my MCS so I will wait to put in an aftermarket LSD when it's clutch replacement time to save on labour cost.

robbo mcs · Aug 14th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Hi,

For street driving I think an LSD is probably not necessary. I never get into difficulty with wheelspin on the street, apart from tight standing starts in first having to turn out at wide angles.

On then track it would be a godsend

Unfortunately, due to the regulations I race under, I am unable to fit one

On the track I can do long sweepers, eg "Corporate Hill" at Eastern Ck International raceway, at around 140km in 3rd, and have to ride the throttle the whole way due to wheel spin

On every corner on every circuit I am riding the "loud" pedal, trying to keep the wheel spin under control

I have even experienced wheelspin on accelerating out of a corner at 160km in 4th

After having driven a few minis, some of this is due to an effective change in gearing ratio (ie size, rolling diameter). The problem is much worse in my car 16/205/50 vs others I have driven eg 17/215/45

Cheers

Robbo

IML337 · Aug 15th, 2004, 03:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

I'll 3rd that.
I really don't think my 200HP MINI is a waste.
Quite fun IMO.

Yes I do wish I had an LSD but that won't happen any time soon. Car does qite well without it.

I'm with you guys on this one too. My 200bhp MCS is GREAT!

an LSD would be nice, but it's not a showstopper that's for sure!

Aug 12th, 2004, 01:07 AM	#1
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Limited Slip Differential Does anyone know when the LSD will be available on the MCS? My MCS is due in late October and I want to know if the LSD will be installed standard or if it will be an option (not on the option list at this time as you all probably know). Thanks!

Aug 12th, 2004, 01:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 38,802 Online	It will be optional on January 2005 builds onwards. As I "dreamt" back in October 2003. "Another rumour from the mill, LSD for Cooper S..." More details also in the news section www.mini2.com/news/ There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Aug 12th, 2004, 08:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 38,802 Online	There's quite a lot of debate on this already, but it really depends how you're going to use your MCS. If you plan to drive it hard and fast a lot, then it's probably a worth while investment (depending on cost) but it will make (should make) quite a difference to the behaviour of the car. To be honest at 170 bhp the S wont need so much as it would if you upgrade to the 200+ bhp mark with one of the various aftermarket kits. There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Aug 12th, 2004, 05:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Barnabas Destroying your MINI Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 1,195 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs Going to leave it stock and it will be my daily driver. I will be driving in a spirited manner and in this area of Southern California there are numerous fantastic drives through the mountains that can be made challenging...thus I lean towards having the LSD. Then again, logically, since most of the weight of this vehicle is over the drive wheels, and since the LSD would only be activated with slippage, in my driving in mostly dry weather with the location of the weight, there might not be much slippage. Except during the few winter months or in the more extreme cornering situations. Is this thinking acurate regarding the functioning of the LSD? LSD helps acelerate out of turns w/o wheelspin. But the stock MCS doesn't have enough power to create wheelspin. So you should be fine w/o LSD. At 200+ hp like paul said you should really consider it. Car is only good as the driver.

Aug 13th, 2004, 12:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
kyriian Dating my S Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Local Time: 05:01 AM Posts: 592 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs Do you know if we will be able to purchase the LSD after the fact and have it installed? of course.. alot of people have installed lsds on their tranny the problem is the ridiculous labor related to installing it... you are looking at 6-7 hours minimum! one reason im staying away from the lsd unless i can do the clutch and flywheel as well 03 Dark Silver MCS w/ White roof

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Aug 12th, 2004, 05:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Do you think it is a must-have? I of course am considering as my MCS is due in late October. Performance is already at a high level....better traction would give it better performance...but will it be just a small increase?

Aug 12th, 2004, 04:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Do you know if we will be able to purchase the LSD after the fact and have it installed?

Aug 12th, 2004, 04:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	The dealer I am working with doubts it will be an option to purchase later and then have installed....hmmm...should I wait?

Aug 12th, 2004, 04:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 8,323 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Andromcs The dealer I am working with doubts it will be an option to purchase later and then have installed....hmmm...should I wait? You can always purchase an aftermarket unit (Quaife, Phantom Grip) and have it installed. Of course, this will probably be more expensive than the factory installed unit. You still haven't answered Paul's question as to what plans you have for your MCS ... autocross, upgrades for more horsepower, etc.

Aug 12th, 2004, 05:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Going to leave it stock and it will be my daily driver. I will be driving in a spirited manner and in this area of Southern California there are numerous fantastic drives through the mountains that can be made challenging...thus I lean towards having the LSD. Then again, logically, since most of the weight of this vehicle is over the drive wheels, and since the LSD would only be activated with slippage, in my driving in mostly dry weather with the location of the weight, there might not be much slippage. Except during the few winter months or in the more extreme cornering situations. Is this thinking acurate regarding the functioning of the LSD?

Aug 12th, 2004, 07:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
RobHardyUK The Hartge Experience Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: High Wycombe Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,052 Offline	January onwards, ill have this. I love LSD's.

Aug 12th, 2004, 07:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Andromcs MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ojai, CA USA Local Time: 03:01 AM Posts: 269 Offline	Barnabas, Have you had instances on dry tar where you have had wheel spin that would have been a time where you would have liked to have a lsd? Was it, or were they severe or more minimal? Thanks.

Aug 12th, 2004, 08:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
RobHardyUK The Hartge Experience Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: High Wycombe Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,052 Offline	Ive emailed my saleswomen about this 1!

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
Z1GZAG N MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hurricane Alley, FL Local Time: 05:01 AM Posts: 1,422 Offline	[quote=Barnabas] But the stock MCS doesn't have enough power to create wheelspin. [quote] Not sure what S model you're driving, but my MCS will light the inside tire when I accelerate from a stop light while making a turn. Still, unless you're going to install a smaller pulley, or boost the power some other way, I don't feel it's a necessity. Crank the HP up to 200 hp and you've wasted you money without getting the LSD.

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 38,802 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Z1GZAG N Crank the HP up to 200 hp and you've wasted you money without getting the LSD. I don't know what 200 hp MINIs you've driven, but they're no waste of money, with or without an LSD! There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
Hammer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central Florida Local Time: 06:01 AM Posts: 180 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett I don't know what 200 hp MINIs you've driven, but they're no waste of money, with or without an LSD! I have to agree with the Mullett. 2005 DS/B MCS G Stock

Aug 14th, 2004, 04:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:01 AM Posts: 9,254 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hammer I have to agree with the Mullett. I'll 3rd that. I really don't think my 200HP MINI is a waste. Quite fun IMO. Yes I do wish I had an LSD but that won't happen any time soon. Car does qite well without it.

Aug 14th, 2004, 05:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
cwwhk Formula Racer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hong Kong, Tokyo Local Time: 06:01 PM Posts: 41 Offline	If you do a lot of track days with your MCS and getting maximum performance from your stock MCS is top priority then an LSD is worthwhile. For spirited but safe street driving, you don't need an LSD. My MCS in stock trim will light up the right tire if I launch it at 3,500rpm at standing start. The inside tire will also lose traction for a long time under full throttle acceleration out of tight corners. Now that I have upgraded it with a JCW kit, an LSD is definitely worthwhile for maximum track performance. I have not had any time to track my MCS so I will wait to put in an aftermarket LSD when it's clutch replacement time to save on labour cost.

Aug 14th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 09:01 PM Posts: 2,452 Offline	Hi, For street driving I think an LSD is probably not necessary. I never get into difficulty with wheelspin on the street, apart from tight standing starts in first having to turn out at wide angles. On then track it would be a godsend Unfortunately, due to the regulations I race under, I am unable to fit one On the track I can do long sweepers, eg "Corporate Hill" at Eastern Ck International raceway, at around 140km in 3rd, and have to ride the throttle the whole way due to wheel spin On every corner on every circuit I am riding the "loud" pedal, trying to keep the wheel spin under control I have even experienced wheelspin on accelerating out of a corner at 160km in 4th After having driven a few minis, some of this is due to an effective change in gearing ratio (ie size, rolling diameter). The problem is much worse in my car 16/205/50 vs others I have driven eg 17/215/45 Cheers Robbo Mods: GO MADDIE and SPARKY!

Aug 15th, 2004, 03:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 08:01 PM Posts: 2,495 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave I'll 3rd that. I really don't think my 200HP MINI is a waste. Quite fun IMO. Yes I do wish I had an LSD but that won't happen any time soon. Car does qite well without it. I'm with you guys on this one too. My 200bhp MCS is GREAT! an LSD would be nice, but it's not a showstopper that's for sure!

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