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matt1584 · Jun 18th, 2005, 10:47 PM

Hey All,
dunno if this is old news but looks like the Cooper S is getting the Cosworth treatment ...available in two variants, Stage 1 and 2, but no mention of the expected bhp!!!;

Stage 1 Cosworth Package: $3,519

* Cosworth Ported Head †
* Cosworth Performance Cam ††
* M7 Air Gain System Pro with 62mm Throttle Body †
* M7 400cc Fuel Injectors †
* M7 Oil Catch Can
* M7 Software Upload
* 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges
* 1 Cosworth Unique Serial Number & Head Badge

Stage 2 Cosworth Package: $4,699

* Cosworth Ported Head †
* Cosworth Performance Cam ††
* Cosworth Port-Matched Intake Manifold †
* M7 16‰ Technology Pulley
* M7 Air Gain System Pro with 62mm Throttle Body †
* M7 Ported and Polished Supercharger †
* M7 400c fuel injectors †
* High Performance Spark Plugs
* M7 Oil Catch Can
* M7 Software Upload
* 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges
* 1 Cosworth Unique Serial Number & Head Badge

* Recommended Complimentary Upgrades: M7 Extreme Hood Scoop - Keep your intercooler temperatures under control
* M7 Carbon Fiber/Basalt Heatshield - Help your Air Gain System to work even more efficiently
* M7 2% Crank Shaft Pulley (Coming Soon!)
* M7 180° Thermostat

More details to follow I'm sure.
Check out....

http://www.m7tuning.com/cosworth.html

What do you all think about this combination?
Look forward to hearing your views,
Cheers,
Matt

Cooper_si · Jun 19th, 2005, 07:19 AM

Hiya Matt,

This definitley isnt OLD NEWS...M7 have a demo car running all the COSWORTH tuned parts....and in his words its "Unfreakingbelievable" which is good

Rakey · Jun 19th, 2005, 10:15 PM

any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out?

matt1584 · Jun 19th, 2005, 10:34 PM

Hey Rakey,
have had a look around the place and have failed to find any predicted bhp figures though as a wild stab in the dark, I wonder if the Stage 1 conversion may be around the 210bhp Works mark, and then the Stage 2.........who knows, 250ish?

Looking forward to finding out though, yet another great choice added to the list of potential tuning companies for our beloved Minis!!!!

Regards,
Matt

Rakey · Jun 19th, 2005, 10:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by matt1584

Hey Rakey,
have had a look around the place and have failed to find any predicted bhp figures though as a wild stab in the dark, I wonder if the Stage 1 conversion may be around the 210bhp Works mark, and then the Stage 2.........who knows, 250ish?

Looking forward to finding out though, yet another great choice added to the list of potential tuning companies for our beloved Minis!!!!

Regards,
Matt

ah, glad its not me then not being able to find them

will be interesting, as there is a lot of kudos with the Cosworth name

Tonyt3 · Jun 19th, 2005, 11:10 PM

Stage conversions don't make sence to me - why would you change the cam and throttle body in a stage one conversion and leave the pulley upgrade to stage 2???

MINIAC · Jun 20th, 2005, 05:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out?

Looks like 200 wheel horsepower for Stage 2 ...

http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...5&postcount=51

Paul · Jun 20th, 2005, 06:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper_si

Hiya Matt,

This definitley isnt OLD NEWS...M7 have a demo car running all the COSWORTH tuned parts....and in his words its "Unfreakingbelievable" which is good

Well, as they're going to sell it I'd hardly expect them to say "It's not all that".

klint · Jun 20th, 2005, 07:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC

Looks like 200 wheel horsepower for Stage 2 ...

http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...5&postcount=51

I'm skeptical....it'll have abit more than 200bhp in stage 2 guise.

Cooper_si · Jun 20th, 2005, 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

Well, as they're going to sell it I'd hardly expect them to say "It's not all that".

cheeky ! i just thought it was an ace way to describe something...

....why put words like chav and chavette in the dictionary when you can have "Unfreakingbelievable"

MINIAC · Jun 20th, 2005, 11:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by klint

I'm skeptical....it'll have abit more than 200bhp in stage 2 guise.

Assuming 12% drivetrain loss, 200 WHEEL horsepower is over 227 BRAKE horsepower

matt1584 · Jun 21st, 2005, 09:21 AM

Again, 227(ish) bhp isn't bad, but you would have thought they would have tried to go a little bit more extreme with the figures...ok stage 2 is cheaper than JCW and potentially more powerful but as long as there are the BBRs and GTTs of the world, offering better figures at better prices, will it be worth it getting a Cosworth Cooper S?
Cheers,
Matt

robm · Jun 21st, 2005, 03:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by matt1584

...dunno if this is old news but ...

Old news.

Click Here

Tonyt3 · Jun 21st, 2005, 04:28 PM

Question I have to ask...

How little work does a tuning company have to do for another company to use its well known name as a badge for its product? Cosworth produce engines, not ported heads and Cams. Seems like to me, a company (M7 in this case) has seen the opertunity of extending the cachet of its tuning credentials with some links to one of the best known tuners on the planet.

'Powered by Cosworth'? Well, I'd like to see a Cosworth engine in a Mini. But saying its powered by Cosworth when they are infact just suppliers of some components - well, thats stretching the point for me somewhat.

Comments?

matt1584 · Jun 21st, 2005, 04:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by robm

Old news.

Click Here

Still, the comments are rollin' in.....

matt1584 · Jun 21st, 2005, 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tony*t3

Question I have to ask...

How little work does a tuning company have to do for another company to use its well known name as a badge for its product? Cosworth produce engines, not ported heads and Cams. Seems like to me, a company (M7 in this case) has seen the opertunity of extending the cachet of its tuning credentials with some links to one of the best known tuners on the planet.

'Powered by Cosworth'? Well, I'd like to see a Cosworth engine in a Mini. But saying its powered by Cosworth when they are infact just suppliers of some components - well, thats stretching the point for me somewhat.

Comments?

Yup, when you put it that way, it does seem that they are putting a well known and respected company's badge on the car, to sell products that are only indirectly connected to them! Some may say it's false advertising but it could be enough to boost their sales. At the end of the day I suppose it's down to how good the upgrades actually are but it is certainly fair to say that just because it's 'Cosworth' doesn't mean it will be automatically awesome ....we'll have to watch this space!!!
Cheers,
Matt

Cooper_si · Jun 21st, 2005, 05:04 PM

interesting comments...this is what discussion boards are about

Cosworth and M7 have put alot of effort into producing the ported heads and camshafts to exploit the head work...as soon as i can get more information from M7 regarding the cosworth packages i will be the first to post them up here on MINI2....

Revolution Mini Works · Jun 24th, 2005, 12:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out?

from what I read on NAM the word was 194-6 Wheel horsepower

Kodak · Jun 24th, 2005, 01:47 PM

Also,

"
Please note that currently the Schrick cam will be substituted for the Cosworth cam until further notice.

"

So only a Cosworth ported head (and Cosworth intake manifold if you plump for Stage II), really....

and the 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges, of course.

Worth it??? You decide.
Personally, I have no access to this, and still have a years worth of warranty, so am restricted to JCW or nothing.

Jun 18th, 2005, 10:47 PM	#1
matt1584 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 296 Offline	Cosworth Cooper S .....opinions!!! Hey All, dunno if this is old news but looks like the Cooper S is getting the Cosworth treatment ...available in two variants, Stage 1 and 2, but no mention of the expected bhp!!!; Stage 1 Cosworth Package: $3,519 * Cosworth Ported Head † * Cosworth Performance Cam †† * M7 Air Gain System Pro with 62mm Throttle Body † * M7 400cc Fuel Injectors † * M7 Oil Catch Can * M7 Software Upload * 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges * 1 Cosworth Unique Serial Number & Head Badge Stage 2 Cosworth Package: $4,699 * Cosworth Ported Head † * Cosworth Performance Cam †† * Cosworth Port-Matched Intake Manifold † * M7 16‰ Technology Pulley * M7 Air Gain System Pro with 62mm Throttle Body † * M7 Ported and Polished Supercharger † * M7 400c fuel injectors † * High Performance Spark Plugs * M7 Oil Catch Can * M7 Software Upload * 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges * 1 Cosworth Unique Serial Number & Head Badge * Recommended Complimentary Upgrades: M7 Extreme Hood Scoop - Keep your intercooler temperatures under control * M7 Carbon Fiber/Basalt Heatshield - Help your Air Gain System to work even more efficiently * M7 2% Crank Shaft Pulley (Coming Soon!) * M7 180° Thermostat More details to follow I'm sure. Check out.... http://www.m7tuning.com/cosworth.html What do you all think about this combination? Look forward to hearing your views, Cheers, Matt Last edited by matt1584 : May 25th, 2006 at 01:47 PM.

Jun 19th, 2005, 07:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cooper_si the DASH LIGHT king ? ;) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nr Melton Mowbray Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 512 Offline	Hiya Matt, This definitley isnt OLD NEWS...M7 have a demo car running all the COSWORTH tuned parts....and in his words its "Unfreakingbelievable" which is good THE Legend who helps ALL MINI owners

Jun 19th, 2005, 10:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 50,823 Offline	any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jun 19th, 2005, 10:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 50,823 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by matt1584 Hey Rakey, have had a look around the place and have failed to find any predicted bhp figures though as a wild stab in the dark, I wonder if the Stage 1 conversion may be around the 210bhp Works mark, and then the Stage 2.........who knows, 250ish? Looking forward to finding out though, yet another great choice added to the list of potential tuning companies for our beloved Minis!!!! Regards, Matt ah, glad its not me then not being able to find them will be interesting, as there is a lot of kudos with the Cosworth name The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Jun 19th, 2005, 11:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Stage conversions don't make sence to me - why would you change the cam and throttle body in a stage one conversion and leave the pulley upgrade to stage 2??? http://www.mini2.com/forum/models-co...ming-soon.html

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Jun 19th, 2005, 10:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
matt1584 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 296 Offline	Hey Rakey, have had a look around the place and have failed to find any predicted bhp figures though as a wild stab in the dark, I wonder if the Stage 1 conversion may be around the 210bhp Works mark, and then the Stage 2.........who knows, 250ish? Looking forward to finding out though, yet another great choice added to the list of potential tuning companies for our beloved Minis!!!! Regards, Matt

Jun 20th, 2005, 05:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:18 PM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out? Looks like 200 wheel horsepower for Stage 2 ... http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...5&postcount=51

Jun 20th, 2005, 06:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 40,873 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper_si Hiya Matt, This definitley isnt OLD NEWS...M7 have a demo car running all the COSWORTH tuned parts....and in his words its "Unfreakingbelievable" which is good Well, as they're going to sell it I'd hardly expect them to say "It's not all that".

Jun 20th, 2005, 07:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
klint Ninja Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Erf Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 1,737 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC Looks like 200 wheel horsepower for Stage 2 ... http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...5&postcount=51 I'm skeptical....it'll have abit more than 200bhp in stage 2 guise.

Jun 20th, 2005, 01:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cooper_si the DASH LIGHT king ? ;) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nr Melton Mowbray Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 512 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett Well, as they're going to sell it I'd hardly expect them to say "It's not all that". cheeky ! i just thought it was an ace way to describe something... ....why put words like chav and chavette in the dictionary when you can have "Unfreakingbelievable" THE Legend who helps ALL MINI owners

Jun 20th, 2005, 11:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:18 PM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by klint I'm skeptical....it'll have abit more than 200bhp in stage 2 guise. Assuming 12% drivetrain loss, 200 WHEEL horsepower is over 227 BRAKE horsepower

Jun 21st, 2005, 09:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
matt1584 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 296 Offline	Again, 227(ish) bhp isn't bad, but you would have thought they would have tried to go a little bit more extreme with the figures...ok stage 2 is cheaper than JCW and potentially more powerful but as long as there are the BBRs and GTTs of the world, offering better figures at better prices, will it be worth it getting a Cosworth Cooper S? Cheers, Matt

Jun 21st, 2005, 03:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
robm MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sammamish, WA Local Time: 03:18 PM Posts: 27 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by matt1584 ...dunno if this is old news but ... Old news. Click Here robm 05 MCS \| CR/W \| Stripes \| Sport \| LSD \| Aero \| Miltek CatBack Exhaust

Jun 21st, 2005, 04:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Question I have to ask... How little work does a tuning company have to do for another company to use its well known name as a badge for its product? Cosworth produce engines, not ported heads and Cams. Seems like to me, a company (M7 in this case) has seen the opertunity of extending the cachet of its tuning credentials with some links to one of the best known tuners on the planet. 'Powered by Cosworth'? Well, I'd like to see a Cosworth engine in a Mini. But saying its powered by Cosworth when they are infact just suppliers of some components - well, thats stretching the point for me somewhat. Comments? http://www.mini2.com/forum/models-co...ming-soon.html

Jun 21st, 2005, 04:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
matt1584 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 296 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by robm Old news. Click Here Still, the comments are rollin' in.....

Jun 21st, 2005, 04:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
matt1584 MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 296 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by *Tonyt3** Question I have to ask... How little work does a tuning company have to do for another company to use its well known name as a badge for its product? Cosworth produce engines, not ported heads and Cams. Seems like to me, a company (M7 in this case) has seen the opertunity of extending the cachet of its tuning credentials with some links to one of the best known tuners on the planet. 'Powered by Cosworth'? Well, I'd like to see a Cosworth engine in a Mini. But saying its powered by Cosworth when they are infact just suppliers of some components - well, thats stretching the point for me somewhat. Comments? Yup, when you put it that way, it does seem that they are putting a well known and respected company's badge on the car, to sell products that are only indirectly connected to them! Some may say it's false advertising but it could be enough to boost their sales. At the end of the day I suppose it's down to how good the upgrades actually are but it is certainly fair to say that just because it's 'Cosworth' doesn't mean it will be automatically awesome ....we'll have to watch this space!!! Cheers, Matt

Jun 21st, 2005, 05:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cooper_si the DASH LIGHT king ? ;) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nr Melton Mowbray Local Time: 10:18 PM Posts: 512 Offline	interesting comments...this is what discussion boards are about Cosworth and M7 have put alot of effort into producing the ported heads and camshafts to exploit the head work...as soon as i can get more information from M7 regarding the cosworth packages i will be the first to post them up here on MINI2.... THE Legend who helps ALL MINI owners

Jun 24th, 2005, 12:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
Revolution Mini Works Mini2 Sponsor & Tuner Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 03:18 PM Posts: 947 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey any ideas of the bhp that these conversions put out? from what I read on NAM the word was 194-6 Wheel horsepower

Jun 24th, 2005, 01:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Kodak MINI Fan (atic) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Local Time: 11:18 PM Posts: 284 Offline	Also, " Please note that currently the Schrick cam will be substituted for the Cosworth cam until further notice. " So only a Cosworth ported head (and Cosworth intake manifold if you plump for Stage II), really.... and the 2 Exterior "Power by Cosworth" Badges, of course. Worth it??? You decide. Personally, I have no access to this, and still have a years worth of warranty, so am restricted to JCW or nothing.

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