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cgolleho · Jan 9th, 2006, 12:11 AM

Hey, I did a search but to no avail. Anyways, I have a spare Xenon conversion kit laying around that I took out of my Lexus before I sold it and was thinking of installing it in my MCS's fogs. I'll have to get new H11 bulbs, though, because they are H7's and 8500k, which would look WAY off from the OEM 4300k Xenon (tho I am planning on swapping for 6000k). I know many guys from Club Lexus have done it to their Lexus fogs, and I really like the look. Do any of you know of a MINI with this mod, or will I be the first? With the Xenon bulbs being longer than the halogen H11's, do you know if it will fit given the small housing size of the fogs? Thanx!

cgolleho · Jan 12th, 2006, 06:46 AM

anybody out there?

Root Ginger · Jan 12th, 2006, 07:24 AM

I have seen pictures of MINI's with this done. I'll see if I can find any.

Root Ginger · Jan 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM

Struggling to find the pic's myself. Maybe someone else can find them. The car had Xenon Low and High Beam and Xenon Fogs.

Paul · Jan 12th, 2006, 08:39 AM

Fog lights are intended to be more yellow because of the way yellow light penetrates fog compared to whiter/bluer light, worth considering as it may look "cool", but could be less effective.

twouptons · Jan 12th, 2006, 07:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

Fog lights are intended to be more yellow because of the way yellow light penetrates fog compared to whiter/bluer light, worth considering as it may look "cool", but could be less effective.

And nobody would ever buy a different sort of light just because it looked cool...

You could also go the other way and do the orange-yellow fogs as were common 20-30 years ago...

-Eric

PJH · Jan 12th, 2006, 08:01 PM

http://www.mini2.com/galleries/showp...00/ppuser/1501

they look the same "white light" as the headlights. that image was returned un search for "xenon"

Paul · Jan 15th, 2006, 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by twouptons

And nobody would ever buy a different sort of light just because it looked cool...

You could also go the other way and do the orange-yellow fogs as were common 20-30 years ago...

-Eric

I'm sure they would, but they might not be aware of the effect of different temperature/colour bulbs can have.

You mean like these fog lights PIAA sell? http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-pages/940.html

Rally_it · Jan 15th, 2006, 01:57 PM

It is also possible to get Yellow xenons for the fog light area. You just need to get the HID conversion which has 3000k bulbs. This color temp leads to a VERY yellow color which is ideal for foggy situations. A lot of BMW owners do this.

Here is a pic. All cars have HID headlights AND HID foglights
From left to right:
1st car: Headlights: 5700k Foglights: 5500k
2nd car: Headlights: 3000k Foglights: 6000k
3rd car: Headlights: 8000k Foglights: 8000k

So it is possible to get the benifits of xenons while maintaing a yellow color to help when it gets foggy outside. The pic also shows what HID fogs look like

bbartel · May 31st, 2006, 09:21 PM

Where did you get them in the states? And how much does it run for?

PPE · May 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM

I have some advice to give about this sort of mod. If you make fog lights too bright, this could end up being dangerous for you and for others on the road. I implore people to think carefully before modifying brightness of fog lights. If you do this, and actually find that you need your fog lights one day because of strong fog, it could leave you short.

Root Ginger · Jun 1st, 2006, 08:06 AM

I don't know about other countries but in the UK it is illegal to use foglights unless visability is below 100 meters. That is very very foggy. So foggy that brightness doesn't really come into the equation.

TBH the MINI foglights, along with a lot of other cars, do very little for helping you see through fog when visability is down enough for you to legally be able to use them.

insane*mini · Jun 1st, 2006, 11:08 AM

Man, the UK has a whole bunch of stupid rules! In the US you can use whatever fogs you want, and when you want. I run mine on the way home from work every night, even though theres no fog out I can still see better with them.

-Cody

PPE · Jun 1st, 2006, 01:04 PM

We have similar rules over here, I use them at night when on unlit highways to help me see to the side of the road (just in case there is a kangaroo or wombat lurking), but I have found that the fog lights have been helpful early in the morning when the fog rolls over the mountains. What I've noticed though, is that the brighter the light (like high beams) the more reflection you get back from the fog.

Root Ginger · Jun 1st, 2006, 01:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by insane*mini

Man, the UK has a whole bunch of stupid rules! In the US you can use whatever fogs you want, and when you want. I run mine on the way home from work every night, even though theres no fog out I can still see better with them.

-Cody

It's not stupid at all actually. Fog lights cause a lot of dazzling to oncoming traffic especially to drivers of cars with a low seating position. Admittedly the tiny units they fit to cars now aren't too bad but they don't really do an awful lot. If you have some of the old cars with 4 fully functioning fogs on the front they are incredibly bright. Like having 4 main beams coming at you.

Mind you there is also a law that driving lamps must not dazzle low flying aircraft

Bilbo Baggins · Jun 1st, 2006, 01:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cgolleho

Hey, I did a search but to no avail. Anyways, I have a spare Xenon conversion kit laying around that I took out of my Lexus before I sold it and was thinking of installing it in my MCS's fogs. I'll have to get new H11 bulbs, though, because they are H7's and 8500k, which would look WAY off from the OEM 4300k Xenon (tho I am planning on swapping for 6000k). I know many guys from Club Lexus have done it to their Lexus fogs, and I really like the look. Do any of you know of a MINI with this mod, or will I be the first? With the Xenon bulbs being longer than the halogen H11's, do you know if it will fit given the small housing size of the fogs? Thanx!

If the bulb is longer, it will probably not center itself at the focal point of the reflector and will deliver a distorted light pattern, potentially causing excessive glare to oncomming traffic. This would be a very bad modification to make and most likely illegal in any civilized country.

Read this: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html

There is an incredible amount of excellant information about lights, glare, precieved brightness.

Jan 9th, 2006, 12:11 AM	#1
cgolleho MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Xenon fogs Hey, I did a search but to no avail. Anyways, I have a spare Xenon conversion kit laying around that I took out of my Lexus before I sold it and was thinking of installing it in my MCS's fogs. I'll have to get new H11 bulbs, though, because they are H7's and 8500k, which would look WAY off from the OEM 4300k Xenon (tho I am planning on swapping for 6000k). I know many guys from Club Lexus have done it to their Lexus fogs, and I really like the look. Do any of you know of a MINI with this mod, or will I be the first? With the Xenon bulbs being longer than the halogen H11's, do you know if it will fit given the small housing size of the fogs? Thanx!

Jan 12th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	I have seen pictures of MINI's with this done. I'll see if I can find any. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Struggling to find the pic's myself. Maybe someone else can find them. The car had Xenon Low and High Beam and Xenon Fogs. It was acceptable in the 80's

Jan 12th, 2006, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
PJH V55:- Do It Join Date: Jan 2006 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 289 Offline	http://www.mini2.com/galleries/showp...00/ppuser/1501 they look the same "white light" as the headlights. that image was returned un search for "xenon" P. J :

Jun 1st, 2006, 08:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	I don't know about other countries but in the UK it is illegal to use foglights unless visability is below 100 meters. That is very very foggy. So foggy that brightness doesn't really come into the equation. TBH the MINI foglights, along with a lot of other cars, do very little for helping you see through fog when visability is down enough for you to legally be able to use them. It was acceptable in the 80's

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Jan 12th, 2006, 06:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
cgolleho MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 25 Offline	anybody out there?

Jan 12th, 2006, 08:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 41,274 Offline	Fog lights are intended to be more yellow because of the way yellow light penetrates fog compared to whiter/bluer light, worth considering as it may look "cool", but could be less effective.

Jan 12th, 2006, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
twouptons What's this button do? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Our Own Little World Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 570 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett Fog lights are intended to be more yellow because of the way yellow light penetrates fog compared to whiter/bluer light, worth considering as it may look "cool", but could be less effective. And nobody would ever buy a different sort of light just because it looked cool... You could also go the other way and do the orange-yellow fogs as were common 20-30 years ago... -Eric

Jan 15th, 2006, 01:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 41,274 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by twouptons And nobody would ever buy a different sort of light just because it looked cool... You could also go the other way and do the orange-yellow fogs as were common 20-30 years ago... -Eric I'm sure they would, but they might not be aware of the effect of different temperature/colour bulbs can have. You mean like these fog lights PIAA sell? http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-pages/940.html

Jan 15th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rally_it MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 113 Offline	It is also possible to get Yellow xenons for the fog light area. You just need to get the HID conversion which has 3000k bulbs. This color temp leads to a VERY yellow color which is ideal for foggy situations. A lot of BMW owners do this. Here is a pic. All cars have HID headlights AND HID foglights From left to right: 1st car: Headlights: 5700k Foglights: 5500k 2nd car: Headlights: 3000k Foglights: 6000k 3rd car: Headlights: 8000k Foglights: 8000k So it is possible to get the benifits of xenons while maintaing a yellow color to help when it gets foggy outside. The pic also shows what HID fogs look like

May 31st, 2006, 09:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
bbartel MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: MICHIGAN Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 1 Offline	Where did you get them in the states? And how much does it run for?

May 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
PPE Painting the town purple Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Western Sydney Local Time: 08:23 AM Posts: 592 Offline	I have some advice to give about this sort of mod. If you make fog lights too bright, this could end up being dangerous for you and for others on the road. I implore people to think carefully before modifying brightness of fog lights. If you do this, and actually find that you need your fog lights one day because of strong fog, it could leave you short.

Jun 1st, 2006, 11:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
insane*mini polizei -NAM and Focaljet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 555 Offline	Man, the UK has a whole bunch of stupid rules! In the US you can use whatever fogs you want, and when you want. I run mine on the way home from work every night, even though theres no fog out I can still see better with them. -Cody "Gizmo" - 03' IB/B MCS!

Jun 1st, 2006, 01:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
PPE Painting the town purple Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Western Sydney Local Time: 08:23 AM Posts: 592 Offline	We have similar rules over here, I use them at night when on unlit highways to help me see to the side of the road (just in case there is a kangaroo or wombat lurking), but I have found that the fog lights have been helpful early in the morning when the fog rolls over the mountains. What I've noticed though, is that the brighter the light (like high beams) the more reflection you get back from the fog.

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Jun 1st, 2006, 01:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by *insanemini** Man, the UK has a whole bunch of stupid rules! In the US you can use whatever fogs you want, and when you want. I run mine on the way home from work every night, even though theres no fog out I can still see better with them. -Cody It's not stupid at all actually. Fog lights cause a lot of dazzling to oncoming traffic especially to drivers of cars with a low seating position. Admittedly the tiny units they fit to cars now aren't too bad but they don't really do an awful lot. If you have some of the old cars with 4 fully functioning fogs on the front they are incredibly bright. Like having 4 main beams coming at you. Mind you there is also a law that driving lamps must not dazzle low flying aircraft It was acceptable in the 80's

Jun 1st, 2006, 01:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bilbo Baggins MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Shire, Middle Earth Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 8,854 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cgolleho Hey, I did a search but to no avail. Anyways, I have a spare Xenon conversion kit laying around that I took out of my Lexus before I sold it and was thinking of installing it in my MCS's fogs. I'll have to get new H11 bulbs, though, because they are H7's and 8500k, which would look WAY off from the OEM 4300k Xenon (tho I am planning on swapping for 6000k). I know many guys from Club Lexus have done it to their Lexus fogs, and I really like the look. Do any of you know of a MINI with this mod, or will I be the first? With the Xenon bulbs being longer than the halogen H11's, do you know if it will fit given the small housing size of the fogs? Thanx! If the bulb is longer, it will probably not center itself at the focal point of the reflector and will deliver a distorted light pattern, potentially causing excessive glare to oncomming traffic. This would be a very bad modification to make and most likely illegal in any civilized country. Read this: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html There is an incredible amount of excellant information about lights, glare, precieved brightness. Motor on, Dudes and Dudettes!!! '06 MCS SB/S '02 MCS DS/W (retired)

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