[SiBradbury]

No, don't worry, this isn't the start of a rant about chavs who drive around with their fogs on all the time (don't get me started)

Unless i've missed something obvious, would it not make perfect sense to have front fogs wired so that they also come on when driving on full (main) beam? Any extra light would be useful under the circumstances when you need to go to main beam. Obviously fog lights don't provide much extra light but surely it would seem a sensible thing to do?

Also, don't you think that for the people that insist on using their fogs in good visibility it'd be a good idea to have the option of a lower wattage bulb so that they can do so without blinding other motorists? Something slightly brighter than a sidelight bulb (5w) but dimmer than a headlight bulb(55w).

[rec]

driving lights are angled down towards the road, fog lights are angled straight ahead to punch the light through the fog.

if you used fog lights as driving lights, you will blind oncoming drivers...

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

driving lights are angled down towards the road, fog lights are angled straight ahead to punch the light through the fog.

if you used fog lights as driving lights, you will blind oncoming drivers...

You completely missed my point! Thats why i said there should be a low wattage version of that bulb for the people who still insist on using fog lights ALL the time!

[James]

If they were lower wattage then they wouldnt work because they would'nt penetrate fog...

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crammy (original)

If they were lower wattage then they wouldnt work because they would'nt penetrate fog...

I mean it'd give people the option to use their front fogs as low wattage driving lights instead of (rarely used and optional extra) fog lights. It'd just save the rest of us being blinded by Saxo's with fogs on in perfectly good weather! (see? you've got me started now!)

[James]

Im not sure I understand, you mean they should add another set of normal lights underneath the headlights? Why?

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crammy (original)

Im not sure I understand, you mean they should add another set of normal lights underneath the headlights? Why?

Maybe i'm typing too fast or something lol

Simply put, i think that it would be a good solution for people who use their fog lights all the time (regardless of conditions) to have an alternative, low wattage bulb to go in place of the standard 55watt one so that they can use their fogs as driving lights (as they are currently doing) without burning the retinas from my eyeballs!

ie, replace your 55watt fog light bulb with say, a 20watt one if you like the way your car looks with its fog lights on and want to use them all the time.

[rec]

no, cos the lens still doesn't point the beam to the floor !

[James]

I dont think chavs care that they are blinding people lol They aren't going to replace their bulbs for the sake of others.

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

no, cos the lens still doesn't point the beam to the floor !

Even a 20watt bulb would be more than half as bright and less annoying don't you agree? I'm talking about solving the problem of blinding fog lights when its not foggy, maybe the option of a dimmer bulb would be better for the rest of us? Obviously the users would be sacrificing the use of their fogs, but they're not a legal requirement anyway!

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crammy (original)

I dont think chavs care that they are blinding people lol They aren't going to replace their bulbs for the sake of others.

Good point but if the bulb was reduced to near sidelight brightness, not only would others benefit but they also wouldn't be breaking the law as it'd be no longer classed as a foglight (it's illegal to use foglights in anything but poor visibilty)

[James]

Yes but it wouldn't be a fog light anymore and therefore would be useless other than appealing to chavs, and very few car companies are going to design their new model with chavs in mind.

p.s I always thought fog lights point at the ground so as to maximise the reflection of your lights so other cars can see you through the fog?

[rec]

what happens if it turns foggy when you've got the low powered bulbs in ?

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crammy (original)

(1)Yes but it wouldn't be a fog light anymore (2)and therefore would be useless other than appealing to chavs, (3)and very few car companies are going to design their new model with chavs in mind.

p.s (4)I always thought fog lights point at the ground so as to maximise the reflection of your lights so other cars can see you through the fog?

(1) Correct, as i've said, it wouldn't be a foglight anymore. It would be a kind of driving light and users would be sacrificing their fog lighs.

(2) Again, correct, as i've said, the alternative bulb would be appealing to people who like how their car looks with the fogs illuminated ie chavs

(3)You're right again! Car companies wouldn't design their cars with chavs in mind. But they wouldn't have to, it's only a different bulb (as i've said)

(4)You're also right about the foglights the don't point straight forward. If they did the light would 'bounce back' off the fog.

Just to clear up, i don't currently, nor do i wish too, use my fog lights unless it's foggy Maybe a dimmer bulb aimed at chavs would allow them to do so legally without blinding the rest of us! (which is, by the way, the entire point i was trying to make!)

God! You guys are hard work!

PS way back at the beginning of what i thought was a simple thread i suggested that it would be handy if the fogs also came on when you switched to full beam. You don't use full beam unless there are no oncoming cars so the extra light surely wouldn't be an issue.

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by rec (original)

what happens if it turns foggy when you've got the low powered bulbs in ?

By choosing to replace your 55w foglight bulb with a lower wattage one you will obviously be sacrificing your fogs. Don't forget, not all cars have front fogs so you'd be no worse of fthan loads of other drivers.

[Mykie]

Some interesting points.........

I think you'll find driving lamps are usually the bigger and brighter of all lamps on a vehicle, and they come on with full beam, unlike fogs, that can be switched on with the side lights.
The reason they do this is because you may find that when it's very foggy, you'll see better with sides and fogs on because the fog lamps will go under the fog, as apposed to main or even full beam where you'll just make things worse. All you'll see is bright smog.
I'm not sure about lowering the wattage of the bulb, surely that'll put the circuit at risk, at the very least you'll go through plenty of bulbs!
I think the thing is......
STOP BEING A CHAV and turn your bloody fogs off!

Mykie

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mykie (original)

STOP BEING A CHAV and turn your bloody fogs off!

Mykie

Too right!

I think most people have missed the point of my suggestion totally by the way! I was offering a solution to a problem (ie having my retinas fried by foglight-equipped chav-chariots) and NOT saying that I want to drive round with my fog lights on for no apparent reason other than to get my money's worth out of them! I can honestly say I've never put them on without reason ie fog!

The suggestion of having the foglights illuminate when on main beam (and NOT dipped as some people misinterpreted) was more a practical one when using full beam on dark lanes. The more light the better I reckon!

Maybe i'll use a bigger, bolder font in future just to be clearer