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Streeters · Feb 18th, 2008, 01:50 PM

hehehe

batou · Feb 18th, 2008, 02:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Streeters (original)

wow, arent people anal !
each to their own..... dont all start, we all love MINI's, thats what its really about.
to add a JCW badge to a car that has JCW parts is really no different to slapping a koni sticker in you car for your shocks or a MINI PIRATE sticker when Phil has done some graphics.

If you've the full bifta works conversion you can drive with pride and leave others for dust badge or no badge. But thats just my thoughts on the matter dont shoot me down for it

Is it really the same as slapping a Koni sticker on a car that does not have Koni suspension?

Is it not more like sticking a Koni sticker on a car with Koni suspension just not fitted by Koni? I'm confused .

Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show.

With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here

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Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

Badges!?!

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MINIAC · Feb 18th, 2008, 02:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

Badges!?!

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batou · Feb 18th, 2008, 02:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

I thought it might be language issue, i guess it was sarcasm... fair play

Fizzoid · Feb 18th, 2008, 02:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show.

With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here

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What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted.

humph · Feb 18th, 2008, 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fizzoid (original)

What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted.

As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity.

Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been.

MINIAC · Feb 18th, 2008, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

I thought it might be language issue, i guess it was sarcasm... fair play

To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post

batou · Feb 18th, 2008, 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fizzoid (original)

What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted.

I thought it did? I saw a Cooper on ebay with the sound kit and it had an engine badge.

batou · Feb 18th, 2008, 03:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post

LOL PMSL!!!! I didn't see the link!!!!

10/10 for wit

Fizzoid · Feb 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original)

As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity.

Thanks for that. I'm very tempted by the sound kit now

Dawn · Feb 18th, 2008, 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Streeters (original)

wow, arent people anal !
each to their own..... dont all start, we all love MINI's, thats what its really about.
to add a JCW badge to a car that has JCW parts is really no different to slapping a koni sticker in you car for your shocks or a MINI PIRATE sticker when Phil has done some graphics.

If you've the full bifta works conversion you can drive with pride and leave others for dust badge or no badge. But thats just my thoughts on the matter dont shoot me down for it

I answered his question, and yes it is different adding badges too a car that it isnt, not anal at all

Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original)

Without wanting to get into any arguments here but a Cooper with a sound kit is a works car. It's fitted with the JCW tuning package avaiable for that car. Ok so it isn't the full blown works kit that the S can have, but then again it's not a S either. JCW supply the sound kit so it's a WORKS car, and deserves to wear it's badges with pride.

S and JCW snobs really get my goat!!!! (Sorry bad hair day

)

Snob/ who me? i dont think so.. read the first post,, once again, im the only one brave enough to argue my corner.. oh , and if you ,r hairs that bad, check out my job tittle in my profile, and i'll cut it for free.. if you trust me

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

Badges!?!

Good for you, debadging your car, my husband wanted me to do mine, but i like them

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Is it really the same as slapping a Koni sticker on a car that does not have Koni suspension?

Is it not more like sticking a Koni sticker on a car with Koni suspension just not fitted by Koni? I'm confused .

Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show.

With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here

.

Badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here here! and its 210BHP

Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original)

As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity.

Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been.

Exactly !

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original)

To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post

I answered his question as in my opinion, I personally dont think its right, but thats MY opinion and im entitled to it !
Not bitter, anal or anything else thats been stated (indirectly

). just very proud of my car and now i realise its your way or the highway....
bet if you all had WORKS you'd see differently !

The End of Dawns argument!!
The End

humph · Feb 18th, 2008, 05:47 PM

Sorry Dawn my snobs jibe wasn't aimed at you. More some of my other friends who are

They know who they are

The Red Baron · Feb 18th, 2008, 05:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

So what is your view on the Cooper Sound Kit? That doesn't have an engine conversion and that gets the badges?

My Cooper was fitted with a Sound Kit at John Cooper Garage.

So that makes it a Works!

Rakey · Feb 18th, 2008, 05:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original)

As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity.

Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been.

Totally with you on this one, if you have a JCW engine plate/certificate then that is a JCW car, not bits of this or that, no aero kits, exhausts etc will make it a JCW car, so the badge should go on a JCW car only IMO.

But I guess having the best will always result in others trying to pretend they have the same by slapping Cosworth/RS/M badges on cars and even JCW badges on MINI's to make others think they have the best version, so it has always and properly always will happen no matter what anyone says

I'd suggest anyone that does stick a badge on though inform their insurance company, as you are also making it more appealing to thieves so if it got nicked and found with it on I am sure if the insurance company didn't know about the badge it could be an excuse not to pay out

mab01uk · Feb 18th, 2008, 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original)

The front badge is close to £60 from the dealer and they willonly sell you it if you have a JCW car or if you no the parts guy very well.

I have a few JCW parts on mine and ive done the same thing but ivenot gone for the front badge as they do go for stupid amounts on eBay.

I was recently at an engineering exhibition at Farnborough where a company that makes badges was displaying the JCW badge amongst others like MG, Rover, etc. If I'd known how desirable and how much they cost I would have asked for a free sample ! Can't believe no one has yet copied it for ebay like they have with all the cheap imitation M badges for BMW and AMG for Mercedes available?

supa-dupa-cooper · Feb 18th, 2008, 06:32 PM

So if I was to put a JCW badge on the lower front grille of my Cooper D you'd all hate me then

(bare in mind it has the JCW side skirts fitted (along with the black side sill strips displaying the JCW logo) it will have JCW side grilles and front grille as well

To be honest though, its all about being different and individual, if you want it on your car, put it on your car, who cares what others think, its not theirs, its yours

Parc77 · Feb 18th, 2008, 06:53 PM

I have a JCW GP brochure in the boot of my Mini as well as a JCW strut brace can I put a badge on?

monkeynuts · Feb 18th, 2008, 07:02 PM

cant be bothered reading all the posts but

.... id rather go the other way and debadge mine

deffo wudnt do the opposite if i didnt have a fair few JCW bits on

but each person has their own taste

Greenie1 · Feb 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM

Now what annoys me is, Minis that aren't Coopers having Cooper stripes!
Grrrrr!

Streeters · Feb 18th, 2008, 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original)

Is it not more like sticking a Koni sticker on a car with Koni suspension just not fitted by Koni? .

Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show.

With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here

.

Badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclo

pedia

Sorry, you've misunderstood hence the edit

Feb 18th, 2008, 01:50 PM	#21
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Feb 18th, 2008, 02:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
batou Turbo Schmurbo... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maidenhead Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 809 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Streeters (original) wow, arent people anal ! each to their own..... dont all start, we all love MINI's, thats what its really about. to add a JCW badge to a car that has JCW parts is really no different to slapping a koni sticker in you car for your shocks or a MINI PIRATE sticker when Phil has done some graphics. If you've the full bifta works conversion you can drive with pride and leave others for dust badge or no badge. But thats just my thoughts on the matter dont shoot me down for it Is it really the same as slapping a Koni sticker on a car that does not have Koni suspension? Is it not more like sticking a Koni sticker on a car with Koni suspension just not fitted by Koni? I'm confused . Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show. With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here . Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) Badges!?! Badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 235+ BHP "Works" Eater

Feb 18th, 2008, 02:21 PM	#24 (permalink)
batou Turbo Schmurbo... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maidenhead Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 809 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) I thought it might be language issue, i guess it was sarcasm... fair play 235+ BHP "Works" Eater

Feb 18th, 2008, 03:00 PM	#26 (permalink)
humph Back To My Old Self Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 2,615 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Fizzoid (original) What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted. As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity. Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been. MODERN MINI - BEST COOPER NOMINEE - PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!

Feb 18th, 2008, 03:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
batou Turbo Schmurbo... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maidenhead Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 809 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Fizzoid (original) What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted. I thought it did? I saw a Cooper on ebay with the sound kit and it had an engine badge. 235+ BHP "Works" Eater

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Feb 18th, 2008, 02:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 11:25 PM Posts: 8,675 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original) Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) Badges!?! Badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Feb 18th, 2008, 02:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
Fizzoid MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 129 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original) Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show. With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here . What about a Cooper with the Sound kit then? That won't have the engine plate changed I suspect, yet does get the JCW badges fitted.

Feb 18th, 2008, 03:02 PM	#27 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 11:25 PM Posts: 8,675 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original) I thought it might be language issue, i guess it was sarcasm... fair play To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post

Feb 18th, 2008, 03:04 PM	#29 (permalink)
batou Turbo Schmurbo... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maidenhead Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 809 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post LOL PMSL!!!! I didn't see the link!!!! 10/10 for wit 235+ BHP "Works" Eater

Feb 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM	#30 (permalink)
Fizzoid MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 129 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original) As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity. Thanks for that. I'm very tempted by the sound kit now

Feb 18th, 2008, 05:17 PM	#31 (permalink)
Dawn Work'd Up ! My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 3,054 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Streeters (original) wow, arent people anal ! each to their own..... dont all start, we all love MINI's, thats what its really about. to add a JCW badge to a car that has JCW parts is really no different to slapping a koni sticker in you car for your shocks or a MINI PIRATE sticker when Phil has done some graphics. If you've the full bifta works conversion you can drive with pride and leave others for dust badge or no badge. But thats just my thoughts on the matter dont shoot me down for it I answered his question, and yes it is different adding badges too a car that it isnt, not anal at all Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original) Without wanting to get into any arguments here but a Cooper with a sound kit is a works car. It's fitted with the JCW tuning package avaiable for that car. Ok so it isn't the full blown works kit that the S can have, but then again it's not a S either. JCW supply the sound kit so it's a WORKS car, and deserves to wear it's badges with pride. S and JCW snobs really get my goat!!!! (Sorry bad hair day) Snob/ who me? i dont think so.. read the first post,, once again, im the only one brave enough to argue my corner.. oh , and if you ,r hairs that bad, check out my job tittle in my profile, and i'll cut it for free.. if you trust me Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) Badges!?! Good for you, debadging your car, my husband wanted me to do mine, but i like them Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original) Is it really the same as slapping a Koni sticker on a car that does not have Koni suspension? Is it not more like sticking a Koni sticker on a car with Koni suspension just not fitted by Koni? I'm confused . Don't forget were talking about a car that has/will have original John Cooper Works Parts, the engine plate dictates the car has an official conversion the exterior badges are for show. With 200bhp and the power from the JCW Exhaust, injectors, air intake and GP inter-cooler yet to be seen were not talking about a car with no go here . Badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia here here! and its 210BHP Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original) As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity. Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been. Exactly ! Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC (original) To me the badge signifies a legitimate JCW Kit. Do I care that people put the badge on because they have JCW bits on their MINI? No. I have a JCW Kit on my MCS and chose not to have the badges fitted. Hence the Blazing Saddles link in my previous post I answered his question as in my opinion, I personally dont think its right, but thats MY opinion and im entitled to it ! Not bitter, anal or anything else thats been stated (indirectly ). just very proud of my car and now i realise its your way or the highway.... bet if you all had WORKS you'd see differently ! The End of Dawns argument!! The End EssexMINI2 click me

Feb 18th, 2008, 05:47 PM	#32 (permalink)
humph Back To My Old Self Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 2,615 Offline	Sorry Dawn my snobs jibe wasn't aimed at you. More some of my other friends who are They know who they are MODERN MINI - BEST COOPER NOMINEE - PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!

Feb 18th, 2008, 05:51 PM	#33 (permalink)
The Red Baron Oh good grief! My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Legoland Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 5,219 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by batou (original) So what is your view on the Cooper Sound Kit? That doesn't have an engine conversion and that gets the badges? My Cooper was fitted with a Sound Kit at John Cooper Garage. So that makes it a Works! 20 Oct to 1 Nov follow the job and make a donation www.miniadventureworld.com

Feb 18th, 2008, 05:53 PM	#34 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 51,131 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Humph (original) As with all JCW conversions the engine plate is changed to a JCW one that displays the official sound kit serial number. This is backed up by the certificate of authenticity. Any car that carries enough JCW kit can display a JCW badge. Granted if you have the panel filter alone then that maybe a bit cheeky. But if the car has £2000 worth of JCW cosmetic kit and no performance parts then it can quite rightly display the badge. As has been stated before all JCW kit is retro fit, (apart from on the GP), so which items you choose to combine to come up with your works is up to the you. The spirit of MINI ownership as it has always been, individuality. The MCS JCW kit and the sound kit are just packages of JCW parts lumped together to make it easier for the consumer, in the vein as the Chili pack has been. Totally with you on this one, if you have a JCW engine plate/certificate then that is a JCW car, not bits of this or that, no aero kits, exhausts etc will make it a JCW car, so the badge should go on a JCW car only IMO. But I guess having the best will always result in others trying to pretend they have the same by slapping Cosworth/RS/M badges on cars and even JCW badges on MINI's to make others think they have the best version, so it has always and properly always will happen no matter what anyone says I'd suggest anyone that does stick a badge on though inform their insurance company, as you are also making it more appealing to thieves so if it got nicked and found with it on I am sure if the insurance company didn't know about the badge it could be an excuse not to pay out The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?
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Feb 18th, 2008, 06:20 PM	#35 (permalink)
mab01uk MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 690 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy (original) The front badge is close to £60 from the dealer and they willonly sell you it if you have a JCW car or if you no the parts guy very well. I have a few JCW parts on mine and ive done the same thing but ivenot gone for the front badge as they do go for stupid amounts on eBay. I was recently at an engineering exhibition at Farnborough where a company that makes badges was displaying the JCW badge amongst others like MG, Rover, etc. If I'd known how desirable and how much they cost I would have asked for a free sample ! Can't believe no one has yet copied it for ebay like they have with all the cheap imitation M badges for BMW and AMG for Mercedes available?

Feb 18th, 2008, 06:32 PM	#36 (permalink)
supa-dupa-cooper In S Club Heaven!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cloud MINI Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 20,444 Offline	So if I was to put a JCW badge on the lower front grille of my Cooper D you'd all hate me then (bare in mind it has the JCW side skirts fitted (along with the black side sill strips displaying the JCW logo) it will have JCW side grilles and front grille as well To be honest though, its all about being different and individual, if you want it on your car, put it on your car, who cares what others think, its not theirs, its yours * The Italian Job 2008......Team 50 - Website Here!* UNION JACK OWNERS CLUB GB002

Feb 18th, 2008, 06:53 PM	#37 (permalink)
Parc77 MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 2,369 Offline	I have a JCW GP brochure in the boot of my Mini as well as a JCW strut brace can I put a badge on?

Feb 18th, 2008, 07:02 PM	#38 (permalink)
monkeynuts my ponies have escaped!!! My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TBC Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 5,098 Offline	cant be bothered reading all the posts but .... id rather go the other way and debadge mine deffo wudnt do the opposite if i didnt have a fair few JCW bits on but each person has their own taste m o n k e y : n u t s

Feb 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#39 (permalink)
Greenie1 vroom, vroom! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Suffolk/Essex Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 389 Offline	Now what annoys me is, Minis that aren't Coopers having Cooper stripes! Grrrrr!