[Jakx]

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Originally posted by madcaser
Who cares if its wright or wrong ?
The flag on ELISEBOYs link cost £275 by a graphics firm in surrey big bucks . . .

Well, not that it matters to some, obviously - but our forefather`s fought for the Union Jack and I, for one, care that the image of the flag is "right".

I don`t care if it`s upside down or back to bl***y front but it should represent the national flag as accurately as possible even if it then happens to look better anyway.

The Union Jack is symbolic! . . . it`s not simply a pretty roof pattern!

Some of the designs depicted here do not truly represent our national flag . . . as such it`s not the Union Jack . . . simple as that!

If you`re happy with a symmetrically incorrect design, then don`t refer to it as the "Union Jack"!

How, for example, would our US friends react to a flag called "The Stars & Stripes" applied to a National `treasure` if it didn`t truly represent the flag of The United States of America even in it`s most basic form?

Okay I`ll climb down from my soapbox now but I feel it`s a serious issue, and one which can be so easily put right!

Obviously it`s an awful lot to ask here!

Typically here in the UK . . who gives a damn anyway?

[BruceK]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jakx
...How, for example, would our US friends react to a flag called "The Stars & Stripes" applied to a National `treasure` if it didn`t truly represent the flag of The United States of America even in it`s most basic form?
...

Jakx, as you may know, we Americans take our flag very seriously.

But, there is also a long history of our US flag being used abstractly - on clothing, for decorations, even on vehicles. An example of this is the picture below from the Easy Rider movie. More than 30 years ago this use of the flag this way caused a big controversy as it wasn’t properly displayed and was seen as disrespectful. However, these days it would probably be viewed by most Americans as a symbol of patriotism - perhaps even more so since 11 September when flying the flag has increased substantially.

Still, it would be much easier to display a correct Union Jack on the MINI’s rectangular roof then the Stars and Stripes correctly over a teardrop gas tank or helmet.

[Basil]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jakx
Sorry to have to say this but the Minispares flag looks to me to be the biz whereas the other one shown here does not accurately depict the Union Jack.

Note that the real thing is not a symmetrical design - the other one unfortunately appears to be.

Again, I`m sorry to have to point this out!

Yea, you should be sorry Jakx. How many posts and how many threads does it take to explain that the Union Jack (Flag) is usually flown one way, and upside down as a distress signal. Some flags for the roofs are done traditionaly, and others are done symmetrically because it looks better. No doubt there are some serious copyright issues to use the Union Jack (Flag) on the roof of a car. Some companies may have obtained it and others didnt.

You could call yours a Union Jakx.


(Just kidding, G'day mate )

[dinger]

I give a damm Jakx.

I'm in total agreement with you on this one,if I wanted our National flag on my MINI roof I would want it done correctly or not at all.

[Basil]

Quote:

Originally posted by dinger
I give a damm Jakx.

I'm in total agreement with you on this one,if I wanted our National flag on my MINI roof I would want it done correctly or not at all.

Ummm, I was actually only joking dinger.....as jakx would appreciate....

[dinger]

Basil I was'nt having a pop buddy,all I'm saying is if I wanted a union jack on my roof I would want it done right or not at all.

I have tried putting a jack thats in a union on the roof but the bugger would'nt stay on.

[Basil]

Quote:

Originally posted by dinger
Basil I was'nt having a pop buddy,all I'm saying is if I wanted a union jack on my roof I would want it done right or not at all.

I have tried putting a jack thats in a union on the roof but the bugger would'nt stay on.

Oh geez, sorry dinger. I'm still a bit sensitive after a few bad experiences here last week!!!. Tried to stay away but it was no good, MINI2.com is a drug.

As an ex-pat i'd love to put "the jack" on the roof of my S, but a friend here has a UJ roof on his classic Cooper S and it just attracts too much attention of the wrong kind !.

I will admit though that as patriotic as I still am, I (personaly) would not be too concerned over the technical aspects. It's a flag after all, and should be flying on a mast (the Correct way up). For some reason I would also only put it on a red MINI. Don't know why, just seems to suit it better.

thanks

cheers

[ELISEBOY]

Quote:

Originally posted by madcaser
Who cares if its wright or wrong ?
The flag on ELISEBOYs link cost £275 by a graphics firm in surrey big bucks
and my flag cost £90 and looks the same its not symetrical looks the same but big price difference .
its all down to you when you put it on you move the red stripes where you want them symetrical or not you decide
But i tell you what £275 or £90
or £60 to do it your self well i will tell you which one i would go for i would do it myself
and anyway who as ever seen a mini wavin about in the wind at the top of a flag pole ?

it just looks cool with it on the car
you can have what ever you want on the firm that sells the diy flag will do any design you want

Madcaser - can you give me the details of the firm where you got yours from, £90 is cheaper than most and my preference is that it goes to the edge, The official one is nice that has the white border but i want total coverage!

[madcaser]

Yeah im still waiting to hear from the guy if its ok to put his details on here
dont see why not
The DIY version is £60 you get full instructions on how to put it on its very easy it will take you about 2 hours i think he said and save most people a long trip. Plus you dont have to wait till he iz not bizzy

and you can also make it as perfect to the original flag as you want
so i will speak to the firm and it should be ok to put there details on this page

if you want any other graphics or stripes they will do that aswell
l8rz yall n see you at stafford

[ELISEBOY]

ok kewl
i do think yours looks great

cheers

[stevos]

these stipes that you mail order and fit our self, just how do they fit to the roof, is it some type of transfer.

[monsta]

They are self-adhesive vinyl.

[madcaser]

you get a sqiurty bottle of washinup liquid n water spray your roof
take the backing of the sticker slide it into position then you use a sqeegie to get the water out from underneeth the sticker and there you have it stuck in position
easy peasy lemon squeezy

[Jakx]

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Originally posted by BruceK


Isn't there a problem with a "technically correct" Union Jack as it only is correct when viewed from one side of the car?

From the other side it is upside down and therefore "technically" a distress signal?

If a stylized UJ design is used, the "idea" of the flag comes across but since it is wrong to begin with, it's wrong from both sides of the car. So, two wrongs make it right?

Bruce, I don`t know about the upside down bit - but if you rotate the "proper" MINI flag here through 180 degrees it`ll remain exactly the same `way round`!

Of course you`re right when you say that national flags are often stylised - but the Union Jack has a fundamental geometry that I believe should at least be adhered to on the UK MINI.

It also happens to look better - that`s why it`s the way it is.

I`m simply saying - why change it?

Taking it to the edge is not an issue for me!

[ELISEBOY]

thanx for all the feedback guys
madcaser - has ur guy got back to you yet?

[smiffy]

Quote:

Originally posted by rich
I'm hoping someone out there makes a Welsh flag & puts it on Chilli Red car. I would like to see that

I emailed mini spares about this & they said they will try & do requests

[rich]

Quote:

Originally posted by smiffy


I emailed mini spares about this & they said they will try & do requests

I would be interested if you get anywhere with this Smiffy

[Kinster]

Official one looks excellent especially with the white edging. How much does it cost?

[monsta]

Part No. 51 14 0 140 181 - No price yet

[madcaser]

The graphics firm that did my union jack
are also doing these design for me i dont know which to have but anyone want any designs let me know