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Electrc109 · Dec 3rd, 2003, 04:08 PM

obehave - come on, did you think I was acually suggesting that?

wouldn't you say that the big tires in the rear and little in the front is technically more rediculous tho? :white:

so when it all boils down to it, would you say that a difference in offset would be best for the wider skirts in the rear?

I love the look of the wider tires in the rear, but it doesn't make technical sense

obehave · Dec 3rd, 2003, 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109

obehave - come on, did you think I was acually suggesting that?

wouldn't you say that the big tires in the rear and little in the front is technically more rediculous tho? :white:

so when it all boils down to it, would you say that a difference in offset would be best for the wider skirts in the rear?

I love the look of the wider tires in the rear, but it doesn't make technical sense

I didn't think so but I also know it's easy to get misunderstood in a forum.

Agreed. If you have to step out the rear I'd do it through offset. Something about that makes me itchy though. Don't really know why, just feels wrong.

Electrc109 · Dec 4th, 2003, 04:00 PM

I haven't been able to do a burnout in 2 years, now that feels wrong!!!

:white:

obehave · Dec 4th, 2003, 04:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109

I haven't been able to do a burnout in 2 years, now that feels wrong!!!

:white:

After I get my pulley installed that shouldn't be a problem

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 04:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Garfield

Boy, do you drag up the past. It wasn't your car, I'm very familiar with the 215/40R16...
At the time I asked, it was because I tried fitting a 225/50R16 Hoosier and it wouldn't fit, even with a 45mm offset wheel. I'm guessing that the person was running 5mm spacers at a minimum.

So you know though, after doing some common sense math, the 225 is 3mm wider in both tread and section width. If I gained the 3mm of space with a spacer, the wheels would still be legal at 42mm (48mm being stock), and the tire would clear the strut.
That said, the reason to do this would be two-fold. You gain .3" of tread width per tire, and increase the overall diameter to lessen wheel spin (although robbing yourself of power in the process).

Thanks,
Brian

from this thread

obehave · Dec 6th, 2003, 04:18 PM

Good find. I was hoping some auto-x guys would chime in but that's just as good.

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 04:39 PM

Pilo has a widebody kit which I find to be much sexier

obehave · Dec 6th, 2003, 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109

Pilo has a widebody kit which I find to be much sexier

I'm pretty sure that's just the Breyton kit on an S. We could always PM thepilo

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Take a look at this thread. The first line says that they are the sole supplier for the US

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 05:34 PM

the Bretyon kit changes just the arches. the pilo kit changes the skirts, arches, and front and rear valences
notice the difference between the stock ABS plastic pieces and the pilo kit....
so many new sexy curves =)

obehave · Dec 6th, 2003, 06:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109

the Bretyon kit changes just the arches. the pilo kit changes the skirts, arches, and front and rear valences
notice the difference between the stock ABS plastic pieces and the pilo kit....
so many new sexy curves =)

That's an S front valence only painted. Here's mine:

Those are also S skirts painted. I've attached a side shhot of mine.
The kit is listed as 10 pieces so it couldn't include the skirts. The front arch is 3 pieces and the rear arch is 2. x2 that's your 10 pieces.

minimaster · Dec 6th, 2003, 06:46 PM

The Pilo Kit is The Breyton Kit
MiniMania offers the SAME kit $100 Less than PILO

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 10:13 PM

I didn't realize that the front valence was different MC v. MCS. I sent a PM to thepilo asking a few questions and inviting him to join in on the conversation.

thepilo · Dec 6th, 2003, 10:59 PM

Hey Guys,

This is not a breyton Kit, but a Kit that was developed by a company in Tiawan that we do buisness with.

It is a replacement for all 4 wheel archs, but does not include side skirts or Front and rear valence. These are just sanded down and painted.

Let me know if there are any other questions.

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 11:05 PM

here's a calculator for wheel width and offset that i found in the faq on this site....

Electrc109 · Dec 6th, 2003, 11:56 PM

What is the change in width for the arches on the pilo kit?

obehave · Dec 7th, 2003, 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109

here's a calculator for wheel width and offset that i found in the faq on this site....

Very nice link. A good add on to my linked tire size calculator

basserk · Dec 7th, 2003, 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

Those are also S skirts painted. I've attached a side shhot of mine.
The kit is listed as 10 pieces so it couldn't include the skirts. The front arch is 3 pieces and the rear arch is 2. x2 that's your 10 pieces.

Confirm that - I had the rest of the pieces painted.

By the way, anyone know what these wheels are? Can't find them anywhere for the life of me! Looks like a wider, deeper version of the factory wheels...

Electrc109 · Dec 7th, 2003, 10:03 PM

Those are 17" S-lites that have been sand blasted and polished and are probably installed with spacers.

I've thought about doing the same thing, since S-lites are being sold as cheap as $300, but they're rather heavy at 25.1lbs a piece

basserk · Dec 8th, 2003, 08:22 AM

They're not S-lites - They're 7-spoke wheels and appear deeper at the center with the spokes going wider at the rim... Compare:

http://www.mini2.com/qt/r85_wheel.mov

I started a thread with a few more pics in hopes someone will recognize them...

http://www.mini2.com/forum/wheels-tyres-brakes/46592-s-lites-look-alike-but-7-spoke-what-these.html#post609464

Dec 6th, 2003, 06:23 PM	#51 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109 the Bretyon kit changes just the arches. the pilo kit changes the skirts, arches, and front and rear valences notice the difference between the stock ABS plastic pieces and the pilo kit.... so many new sexy curves =) That's an S front valence only painted. Here's mine: Those are also S skirts painted. I've attached a side shhot of mine. The kit is listed as 10 pieces so it couldn't include the skirts. The front arch is 3 pieces and the rear arch is 2. x2 that's your 10 pieces. Attached Thumbnails

Dec 6th, 2003, 10:13 PM	#53 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	I didn't realize that the front valence was different MC v. MCS. I sent a PM to thepilo asking a few questions and inviting him to join in on the conversation. Last edited by Electrc109 : Dec 6th, 2003 at 10:44 PM.

Dec 6th, 2003, 10:59 PM	#54 (permalink)
thepilo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Local Time: 11:27 PM Posts: 285 Offline	Hey Guys, This is not a breyton Kit, but a Kit that was developed by a company in Tiawan that we do buisness with. It is a replacement for all 4 wheel archs, but does not include side skirts or Front and rear valence. These are just sanded down and painted. Let me know if there are any other questions. Pilo Racing www.piloracing.com Intakes, Ignitions, Heads, Superchargers and more... stop on in

Dec 7th, 2003, 09:33 PM	#58 (permalink)
basserk BIGGIE MINI Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Local Time: 04:27 PM Posts: 36 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave Those are also S skirts painted. I've attached a side shhot of mine. The kit is listed as 10 pieces so it couldn't include the skirts. The front arch is 3 pieces and the rear arch is 2. x2 that's your 10 pieces. Confirm that - I had the rest of the pieces painted. By the way, anyone know what these wheels are? Can't find them anywhere for the life of me! Looks like a wider, deeper version of the factory wheels... Attached Thumbnails

Dec 8th, 2003, 08:22 AM	#60 (permalink)
basserk BIGGIE MINI Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Local Time: 04:27 PM Posts: 36 Offline	They're not S-lites - They're 7-spoke wheels and appear deeper at the center with the spokes going wider at the rim... Compare: http://www.mini2.com/qt/r85_wheel.mov I started a thread with a few more pics in hopes someone will recognize them... http://www.mini2.com/forum/wheels-tyres-brakes/46592-s-lites-look-alike-but-7-spoke-what-these.html#post609464 Last edited by basserk : Dec 8th, 2003 at 09:34 AM.

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Dec 3rd, 2003, 04:08 PM	#41
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	obehave - come on, did you think I was acually suggesting that? wouldn't you say that the big tires in the rear and little in the front is technically more rediculous tho? :white: so when it all boils down to it, would you say that a difference in offset would be best for the wider skirts in the rear? I love the look of the wider tires in the rear, but it doesn't make technical sense

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Dec 3rd, 2003, 06:55 PM	#42 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109 obehave - come on, did you think I was acually suggesting that? wouldn't you say that the big tires in the rear and little in the front is technically more rediculous tho? :white: so when it all boils down to it, would you say that a difference in offset would be best for the wider skirts in the rear? I love the look of the wider tires in the rear, but it doesn't make technical sense I didn't think so but I also know it's easy to get misunderstood in a forum. Agreed. If you have to step out the rear I'd do it through offset. Something about that makes me itchy though. Don't really know why, just feels wrong.

Dec 4th, 2003, 04:00 PM	#43 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	I haven't been able to do a burnout in 2 years, now that feels wrong!!! :white:

Dec 4th, 2003, 04:04 PM	#44 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109 I haven't been able to do a burnout in 2 years, now that feels wrong!!! :white: After I get my pulley installed that shouldn't be a problem

Dec 6th, 2003, 04:01 PM	#45 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Garfield Boy, do you drag up the past. It wasn't your car, I'm very familiar with the 215/40R16... At the time I asked, it was because I tried fitting a 225/50R16 Hoosier and it wouldn't fit, even with a 45mm offset wheel. I'm guessing that the person was running 5mm spacers at a minimum. So you know though, after doing some common sense math, the 225 is 3mm wider in both tread and section width. If I gained the 3mm of space with a spacer, the wheels would still be legal at 42mm (48mm being stock), and the tire would clear the strut. That said, the reason to do this would be two-fold. You gain .3" of tread width per tire, and increase the overall diameter to lessen wheel spin (although robbing yourself of power in the process). Thanks, Brian from this thread

Dec 6th, 2003, 04:18 PM	#46 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Good find. I was hoping some auto-x guys would chime in but that's just as good.

Dec 6th, 2003, 04:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	Pilo has a widebody kit which I find to be much sexier

Dec 6th, 2003, 05:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109 Pilo has a widebody kit which I find to be much sexier I'm pretty sure that's just the Breyton kit on an S. We could always PM thepilo

Dec 6th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#49 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	Take a look at this thread. The first line says that they are the sole supplier for the US

Dec 6th, 2003, 05:34 PM	#50 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	the Bretyon kit changes just the arches. the pilo kit changes the skirts, arches, and front and rear valences notice the difference between the stock ABS plastic pieces and the pilo kit.... so many new sexy curves =)

Dec 6th, 2003, 06:46 PM	#52 (permalink)
minimaster MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: SoCal Local Time: 03:27 PM Posts: 174 Offline	The Pilo Kit is The Breyton Kit MiniMania offers the SAME kit $100 Less than PILO

Dec 6th, 2003, 11:05 PM	#55 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	here's a calculator for wheel width and offset that i found in the faq on this site....

Dec 6th, 2003, 11:56 PM	#56 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	What is the change in width for the arches on the pilo kit?

Dec 7th, 2003, 04:25 PM	#57 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 06:27 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Electrc109 here's a calculator for wheel width and offset that i found in the faq on this site.... Very nice link. A good add on to my linked tire size calculator

Dec 7th, 2003, 10:03 PM	#59 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 07:27 PM Posts: 691 Offline	Those are 17" S-lites that have been sand blasted and polished and are probably installed with spacers. I've thought about doing the same thing, since S-lites are being sold as cheap as $300, but they're rather heavy at 25.1lbs a piece

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