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ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 09:25 AM

I have just limped into work - with my cooper s 02 plate. I suddenly lost power on the motorway - engine sounding like a tractor - revs going and cutting out at idle - rang dealer who says not to drive and could be the electonic engine system - anyone had a similar problem - also sods

law just out of warranty - so am hoping it wont cost an arm and a leg....

AndyH_MCS · Jan 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Could possibly be a coil pack failure

ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 01:57 PM

cheers for that - I hope it's not too expensive!

ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 03:23 PM

Just heard from BMW dealer that NO OIL in my mini - it is not due for a service for another 8K miles and they wont say why the oil has gone - it is 4 months out of warranty and asked me to pay for the removal of cylinder head to invesatigate - -no oil light has ever come on but it was in just before Christmas for electric problems on the cabling - What is going on?? Any ideas out there.. sounds like i need a ne wengine at 34K and female sedate driver!!!

zoooooom · Jan 17th, 2006, 03:36 PM

I read your top post and was about to tell you to check the oil

My Cooper Challenge car did the same during a race and I did not hear it (wearing a crash helmet) but I knew the car was down in power so pulled in and then I heard how bad it was.

When it runs out of oil the valves dont open properly due to the hydraulic lifters being empty.

I got an engine off ebay for £450 and fitted it myself

ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Pity you live in Scotland! The dealer said he would try to make a good case to BMW.. I'm not confident of anything - its costing 400-600 quid just for them to investigate!!

Tracie · Jan 17th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Do you ever check your oil..say every couple of weeks?...just out of interest.

ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 04:00 PM

Hmm No i'm afraid I dont ....I was too confident in the service reminders..however the service guy thinks the oil has gone into the engine somewhere... as I have never had any leakage and i only do 1 journey each week of about 40 miles. Why no oil light ????

pocketrocketowner · Jan 17th, 2006, 04:11 PM

This unfortunately is ever the case. People buy or lease a car and expect it to run itself, take care of itself forever. It REALLY does say in the Owners Manual what your responsibilities are. Hopefully you will keep your car and learn that you must keep an eye on the oil level, regardless of the age of the car.
At work we are actually working on a solution to this problem, but it is kind of a long shot.

bimini · Jan 17th, 2006, 04:53 PM

surely there's an oil pressure/low level light which should have woken up?

ARotheram · Jan 17th, 2006, 05:06 PM

Thats exactly what I told the man in the service depot! No warning light so all OK was my philosophy... obviously not a correct one! The car had been in previously 5 times for electrical cabling faults ( air bag light on /windows opening themselves etc - last time was DEC 05.) All except for the last one was under the 3 year warranty. Apparantly BMW dont warranty a warranty repair........

zoooooom · Jan 17th, 2006, 05:28 PM

I checked my oil then did 8 laps before it was knackered and it was Not smokey nor did there appear to be any leeks

ARotheram · Jan 18th, 2006, 11:57 AM

Just been informed cylinder head gasket blown and up to date it is costing 1700 quid for repairs and a pressure test. Its only done 34K miles - something has got to be wrong here surely???
The chap in service says they will submit a goodwill claim to BMW but has no idea if it would be successful .....aaaghhhhh

sv650 · Jan 20th, 2006, 06:57 PM

This really hacks me off, some of us mechanically minded types will check the oil just because we have always done it specially if we have performance cars.
I have a Alfa 2.5V6 which has always used 250ml per 300 miles and just accept it as part of owning an Italian car, but when I bought my wife's MCC I asked the dealer where the dip stick etc was and he looked at me as if I was mad and said "you won't need to look under there" my point being were you ever told to check it when you bought the car because we wouldn't have been if I hadn't asked.
Now the Alfa owners manual says anything upto 1ltr per 1000km is acceptable so thats OK but as far as I can make out the Mini manual does not actually give to many clues as to whats acceptable.
I would be tempted to seek legal advice sooner rather than later, check your car and home insurance because some policy's include it.
Good luck!

lukey · Jan 20th, 2006, 08:11 PM

maybe your oil pump or oil pressure switch might be a bit dodgy and it might not have brought on the oil warning light. good luck with the 'goodwill' claim tho!

ARotheram · Jan 23rd, 2006, 09:04 AM

Good News... BMW have agreed to refund the labour costs on the job and my final bill comes to 350..... still a rip off I think, but a lot better than 1700 quid. I asked if I could activate a warranty but as there has been a 4 month gap.. they refused - has anyone else managed to pay for a warranty from BMW after the 3 years is up???

northandy · Jan 23rd, 2006, 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARotheram

Good News... BMW have agreed to refund the labour costs on the job and my final bill comes to 350..... still a rip off I think, but a lot better than 1700 quid. I asked if I could activate a warranty but as there has been a 4 month gap.. they refused - has anyone else managed to pay for a warranty from BMW after the 3 years is up???

Thats actually a pretty good deal, strictly speaking the car was out of warranty, and no matter what caused the problem I think you did very well to get that much paid...

Well done MINI I say...

I thought there was a 30 day period after the 3 years when you could still get the extended warranty, 3 months probably too far beyond that

Nameless · Jan 23rd, 2006, 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by northandy

Thats actually a pretty good deal, strictly speaking the car was out of warranty, and no matter what caused the problem I think you did very well to get that much paid...

Well done MINI I say...

I thought there was a 30 day period after the 3 years when you could still get the extended warranty, 3 months probably too far beyond that

There's an extended warranty option????

.

Go on - how many beer tokens is that?

northandy · Jan 23rd, 2006, 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Monkeyhanger

There's an extended warranty option????

.

Go on - how many beer tokens is that?

Isnt it £300 ? or is it £500 ?....

Edit : http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...light=warranty

bimini · Jan 23rd, 2006, 12:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARotheram

Apparantly BMW dont warranty a warranty repair........

i've been down this road before...it may be it does, but it might be item specific. I've had a fax machine fail under warranty, get replaced and then fail again days before the original warranty ran out...we didnt bother with it again but i later found out on a trading standards site that an item replaced under warranty extends its warranty beyond the original. This means that items that have a design fault where they wont last the lifetime of the warranty wont leave you in the lurch when it ends.

i think as a matter of course all work done after warranty is covered for 12 months (well it was with my VW)

Jan 17th, 2006, 09:25 AM	#1
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Sudden Engine failing .....sounds like a tractor! Dealer says NO OIL I have just limped into work - with my cooper s 02 plate. I suddenly lost power on the motorway - engine sounding like a tractor - revs going and cutting out at idle - rang dealer who says not to drive and could be the electonic engine system - anyone had a similar problem - also sods law just out of warranty - so am hoping it wont cost an arm and a leg.... Last edited by ARotheram : Jan 17th, 2006 at 03:32 PM. Reason: make more sense!

Jan 17th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	HELP... new engine feared at 34K Just heard from BMW dealer that NO OIL in my mini - it is not due for a service for another 8K miles and they wont say why the oil has gone - it is 4 months out of warranty and asked me to pay for the removal of cylinder head to invesatigate - -no oil light has ever come on but it was in just before Christmas for electric problems on the cabling - What is going on?? Any ideas out there.. sounds like i need a ne wengine at 34K and female sedate driver!!!

Jan 17th, 2006, 03:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tracie MINI less. My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Poole, Dorset.UK Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 2,472 Offline	Do you ever check your oil..say every couple of weeks?...just out of interest. I'm being tempted back to a MINI....

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Jan 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
AndyH_MCS MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 227 Offline	Could possibly be a coil pack failure

Jan 17th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	cheers for that - I hope it's not too expensive!

Jan 17th, 2006, 03:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
zoooooom MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Aberdeen,Scotland Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 2,467 Offline	I read your top post and was about to tell you to check the oil My Cooper Challenge car did the same during a race and I did not hear it (wearing a crash helmet) but I knew the car was down in power so pulled in and then I heard how bad it was. When it runs out of oil the valves dont open properly due to the hydraulic lifters being empty. I got an engine off ebay for £450 and fitted it myself

Jan 17th, 2006, 03:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Pity you live in Scotland! The dealer said he would try to make a good case to BMW.. I'm not confident of anything - its costing 400-600 quid just for them to investigate!!

Jan 17th, 2006, 04:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Hmm No i'm afraid I dont ....I was too confident in the service reminders..however the service guy thinks the oil has gone into the engine somewhere... as I have never had any leakage and i only do 1 journey each week of about 40 miles. Why no oil light ????

Jan 17th, 2006, 04:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 2,037 Offline	This unfortunately is ever the case. People buy or lease a car and expect it to run itself, take care of itself forever. It REALLY does say in the Owners Manual what your responsibilities are. Hopefully you will keep your car and learn that you must keep an eye on the oil level, regardless of the age of the car. At work we are actually working on a solution to this problem, but it is kind of a long shot.

Jan 17th, 2006, 04:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
bimini MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Poole Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 814 Offline	surely there's an oil pressure/low level light which should have woken up?

Jan 17th, 2006, 05:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Thats exactly what I told the man in the service depot! No warning light so all OK was my philosophy... obviously not a correct one! The car had been in previously 5 times for electrical cabling faults ( air bag light on /windows opening themselves etc - last time was DEC 05.) All except for the last one was under the 3 year warranty. Apparantly BMW dont warranty a warranty repair........

Jan 17th, 2006, 05:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
zoooooom MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Aberdeen,Scotland Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 2,467 Offline	I checked my oil then did 8 laps before it was knackered and it was Not smokey nor did there appear to be any leeks

Jan 18th, 2006, 11:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Just been informed cylinder head gasket blown and up to date it is costing 1700 quid for repairs and a pressure test. Its only done 34K miles - something has got to be wrong here surely??? The chap in service says they will submit a goodwill claim to BMW but has no idea if it would be successful .....aaaghhhhh

Jan 20th, 2006, 06:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
sv650 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Somerset Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 62 Offline	This really hacks me off, some of us mechanically minded types will check the oil just because we have always done it specially if we have performance cars. I have a Alfa 2.5V6 which has always used 250ml per 300 miles and just accept it as part of owning an Italian car, but when I bought my wife's MCC I asked the dealer where the dip stick etc was and he looked at me as if I was mad and said "you won't need to look under there" my point being were you ever told to check it when you bought the car because we wouldn't have been if I hadn't asked. Now the Alfa owners manual says anything upto 1ltr per 1000km is acceptable so thats OK but as far as I can make out the Mini manual does not actually give to many clues as to whats acceptable. I would be tempted to seek legal advice sooner rather than later, check your car and home insurance because some policy's include it. Good luck!

Jan 20th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
lukey MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ascot, berks Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 151 Offline	maybe your oil pump or oil pressure switch might be a bit dodgy and it might not have brought on the oil warning light. good luck with the 'goodwill' claim tho!

Jan 23rd, 2006, 09:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
ARotheram MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 02:09 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Good News... BMW have agreed to refund the labour costs on the job and my final bill comes to 350..... still a rip off I think, but a lot better than 1700 quid. I asked if I could activate a warranty but as there has been a 4 month gap.. they refused - has anyone else managed to pay for a warranty from BMW after the 3 years is up???

Jan 23rd, 2006, 10:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
northandy AWOL My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 14,614 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARotheram Good News... BMW have agreed to refund the labour costs on the job and my final bill comes to 350..... still a rip off I think, but a lot better than 1700 quid. I asked if I could activate a warranty but as there has been a 4 month gap.. they refused - has anyone else managed to pay for a warranty from BMW after the 3 years is up??? Thats actually a pretty good deal, strictly speaking the car was out of warranty, and no matter what caused the problem I think you did very well to get that much paid... Well done MINI I say... I thought there was a 30 day period after the 3 years when you could still get the extended warranty, 3 months probably too far beyond that

Jan 23rd, 2006, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Nameless MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 2,640 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by northandy Thats actually a pretty good deal, strictly speaking the car was out of warranty, and no matter what caused the problem I think you did very well to get that much paid... Well done MINI I say... I thought there was a 30 day period after the 3 years when you could still get the extended warranty, 3 months probably too far beyond that There's an extended warranty option???? . Go on - how many beer tokens is that?

Jan 23rd, 2006, 11:34 AM	#19 (permalink)
northandy AWOL My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 14,614 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Monkeyhanger There's an extended warranty option???? . Go on - how many beer tokens is that? Isnt it £300 ? or is it £500 ?.... Edit : http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...light=warranty

Jan 23rd, 2006, 12:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
bimini MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Poole Local Time: 03:09 AM Posts: 814 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARotheram Apparantly BMW dont warranty a warranty repair........ i've been down this road before...it may be it does, but it might be item specific. I've had a fax machine fail under warranty, get replaced and then fail again days before the original warranty ran out...we didnt bother with it again but i later found out on a trading standards site that an item replaced under warranty extends its warranty beyond the original. This means that items that have a design fault where they wont last the lifetime of the warranty wont leave you in the lurch when it ends. i think as a matter of course all work done after warranty is covered for 12 months (well it was with my VW)

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