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Mr G · Jul 8th, 2006, 01:16 AM

EDIT: this is fixed now. see below

my car has develoled a vibration which is apparrent at speeds over 60kmh, but most obvious over 80.

it is almost undetectable in 2nd gear, but shakes like a flaggon with a blowfly in it the minute you put it in 3rd. It only does it while accellerating. Coasting, cruising at constant speed or braking its fine.

I took it and had the wheels rotated and balanced this morning and it made no difference at all.

this started sudenly last weekend. one minute it was fine, the next it was doing this.

any thoughts?

meinamini · Jul 8th, 2006, 05:29 AM

Oh no Mr G!
Sounds dodgy, hope you get it sorted.

herbie hind · Jul 9th, 2006, 12:50 AM

wouldn't hurt to check the torque on your engine mounts . it's a long shot but won't cost you .

Mr G · Jul 15th, 2006, 01:37 AM

its going in today and they're keeping it for a week. I'm going to be in Melbourne so I figured the timign was nice. so i'll hopefully get an answer when i get back.

ScottyB · Jul 15th, 2006, 05:08 AM

Good luck with this Matt..

Mr G · Jul 21st, 2006, 11:03 AM

The dealer can't find the problem!

they spent 5 hours looking for it, but don't know what's causing it. they think it must be an internal gearbox problem. they've logged the problem onto the bmw PUMA system. So if someone else finds the same fault and what's causing it, then they log it, and the knowledge flows through to mine. Fat lot of help that is though when i'm driving Fat-Blaster 2000 everyday.

The amount of problems this car has - if it wasn't so annoying it'd be downright commical.

St00ge · Jul 21st, 2006, 11:09 AM

i was about to say something with perhaps the clutch, pressure plate, flywheel. If it is occuring under load, that's all i can really think of. Hit the throttle in neutral, while moving at 60+, and see if it vibrates....

Mr G · Jul 21st, 2006, 11:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge

i was about to say something with perhaps the clutch, pressure plate, flywheel. If it is occuring under load, that's all i can really think of. Hit the throttle in neutral, while moving at 60+, and see if it vibrates....

no it doesn't. it only does it underload. although its hard to tell, if i was pressed i'd say its a road speed vibration rather than an engine-revs vibration. . its hard to tell because it only does it while the clutch is engaged, and therefore engine and roadspeed increase at the same rate. So anything's possible, i guess.

Capsaisin · Jul 21st, 2006, 11:58 AM

Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear?
Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft.

St00ge · Jul 21st, 2006, 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin

Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear?
Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft.

can you feel the vibration through the clutch pedal? This is a weird problem, and what's really weird is that BMW can't find the problem....hope they're not BSing you

Mr G · Jul 21st, 2006, 10:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin

Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear?
Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft.

you're thinking along exactly the same lines as me. yes, its there in 4th, 5th and 6th. its evident in 2nd, but barely noticable. I tried it in 1st at 4k with the brake on to load it up, and nothing. so it seems to me its related to the speed of the output shaft

the other explination could be a crown wheel. or pinion maybe.

PmP · Jul 21st, 2006, 10:09 PM

Funny Im getting a similar vibration but under acceleration in 3rd and above at speeds above about 50mph. The door pockets seem to vibrate and a strong vibration can sometimes be felt through the steering wheel at times under acceleration. Ive had wheels balanced and still problem occurs. Ive got eibach coilovers on that my be a factor. Help us somebody!

St00ge · Jul 22nd, 2006, 02:38 AM

good luck fellas

Mr G · Jul 22nd, 2006, 05:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by PmP

Funny Im getting a similar vibration but under acceleration in 3rd and above at speeds above about 50mph. The door pockets seem to vibrate and a strong vibration can sometimes be felt through the steering wheel at times under acceleration. Ive had wheels balanced and still problem occurs. Ive got eibach coilovers on that my be a factor. Help us somebody!

yep that's it. Now there's two of us it's characteristic of the model I guess. I feel better now

Mine was fine one minute, and then all of a sudden - whooshka. (technical term) was yours the same?

teddie · Jul 29th, 2006, 08:38 PM

I borrowed an 01 plate Cooper with 38 k on the clock last weekend and it had the same problem. No vibration at steady speed but on acceleration it had a terrible vibration coming from the front end but it did not seem like wheel balance. I thought it was likely to be a front suspension problem, worn bushes or movement in the front struts if they have them. That and the fact it was a Yellow one stopped me from buying it as a run around until the new model comes out.

caschumann · Jul 31st, 2006, 09:39 PM

I too have a vibration problem. Everything is smooth sailing until I get above 70 MPH. By about 80 MPH I at times get scared the thing is going to vibrate apart! It feels like I'm driving on an extremely bumpy road (which I'm not...) When I slow down to 70 MPH, it again is smooth driving.

I've got an appointment with the dealer next week to have a look - but, in researching this forum, it doesn't look promising. Any helpful hints would be great. MINI USA seems to like to follow their "protocols" for trouble shooting which often leaves you coming back in time after time to finally get the problems resolved - I recal 3 trips to finally get my Nav System screen replaced!

herbie hind · Jul 31st, 2006, 10:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by caschumann

I too have a vibration problem. Everything is smooth sailing until I get above 70 MPH. By about 80 MPH I at times get scared the thing is going to vibrate apart! It feels like I'm driving on an extremely bumpy road (which I'm not...) When I slow down to 70 MPH, it again is smooth driving.

I've got an appointment with the dealer next week to have a look - but, in researching this forum, it doesn't look promising. Any helpful hints would be great. MINI USA seems to like to follow their "protocols" for trouble shooting which often leaves you coming back in time after time to finally get the problems resolved - I recal 3 trips to finally get my Nav System screen replaced!

you've got a wheel balance or alignment problem dude .

herbie hind · Jul 31st, 2006, 10:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr G

yep that's it. Now there's two of us it's characteristic of the model I guess. I feel better now

Mine was fine one minute, and then all of a sudden - whooshka. (technical term) was yours the same?

make that three of us .mine comes and goes . i believe it's either the harmonic balance or engine damper or mounts or both . i will be checking the torque on these this weekend .

Mr G · Aug 1st, 2006, 08:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by herbie hind

make that three of us .mine comes and goes . i believe it's either the harmonic balance or engine damper or mounts or both . i will be checking the torque on these this weekend .

but why only in higher gears?

herbie hind · Aug 1st, 2006, 10:28 PM

higher gears make load more apparent . it's a good way to check a clutch too . just get in high gear and head up a gradual incline on the highway ...then nail it if the rpms run up and no movement it's the clutch time . so with load same thing. top gear roll ons are asking alot from the motor .especially up hill .the motor has to work hard so any vibes (like starting off in 2nd gear) will become apparent.

Jul 8th, 2006, 01:16 AM	#1
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	Vibration EDIT: this is fixed now. see below my car has develoled a vibration which is apparrent at speeds over 60kmh, but most obvious over 80. it is almost undetectable in 2nd gear, but shakes like a flaggon with a blowfly in it the minute you put it in 3rd. It only does it while accellerating. Coasting, cruising at constant speed or braking its fine. I took it and had the wheels rotated and balanced this morning and it made no difference at all. this started sudenly last weekend. one minute it was fine, the next it was doing this. any thoughts? I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia. Last edited by Mr G : Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:49 AM.

Jul 15th, 2006, 01:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	its going in today and they're keeping it for a week. I'm going to be in Melbourne so I figured the timign was nice. so i'll hopefully get an answer when i get back. I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Jul 15th, 2006, 05:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
ScottyB Take me down to Paradise My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: David McGhan's World Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 191,504 Offline	Good luck with this Matt.. - Global Moderator - MY BLOG - Global Procrastinator - ... Buying the 8C for its dynamic abilities is like buying a porn film for its plot ...

Jul 21st, 2006, 11:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	The dealer can't find the problem! they spent 5 hours looking for it, but don't know what's causing it. they think it must be an internal gearbox problem. they've logged the problem onto the bmw PUMA system. So if someone else finds the same fault and what's causing it, then they log it, and the knowledge flows through to mine. Fat lot of help that is though when i'm driving Fat-Blaster 2000 everyday. The amount of problems this car has - if it wasn't so annoying it'd be downright commical. I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Jul 21st, 2006, 11:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 2,864 Offline	i was about to say something with perhaps the clutch, pressure plate, flywheel. If it is occuring under load, that's all i can really think of. Hit the throttle in neutral, while moving at 60+, and see if it vibrates.... Black MCS

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Jul 8th, 2006, 05:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
meinamini Livin' the country life Join Date: May 2004 Location: Livin' in the OC! Local Time: 09:49 AM Posts: 4,030 Offline	Oh no Mr G! Sounds dodgy, hope you get it sorted.

Jul 9th, 2006, 12:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 06:49 PM Posts: 449 Offline	wouldn't hurt to check the torque on your engine mounts . it's a long shot but won't cost you .

Jul 21st, 2006, 11:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge i was about to say something with perhaps the clutch, pressure plate, flywheel. If it is occuring under load, that's all i can really think of. Hit the throttle in neutral, while moving at 60+, and see if it vibrates.... no it doesn't. it only does it underload. although its hard to tell, if i was pressed i'd say its a road speed vibration rather than an engine-revs vibration. . its hard to tell because it only does it while the clutch is engaged, and therefore engine and roadspeed increase at the same rate. So anything's possible, i guess. I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Jul 21st, 2006, 11:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Capsaisin cave capsicum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crewe Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 3,366 Offline	Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear? Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft.

Jul 21st, 2006, 04:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 2,864 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear? Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft. can you feel the vibration through the clutch pedal? This is a weird problem, and what's really weird is that BMW can't find the problem....hope they're not BSing you Black MCS

Jul 21st, 2006, 10:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Capsaisin Sounds more like gearbox. Does it also vibrate under load in 4/5 and 6th gear? Sounds like a gear shaft flexing under load. Vibration might depend on how close the engaged gear cog is to the end of the shaft. you're thinking along exactly the same lines as me. yes, its there in 4th, 5th and 6th. its evident in 2nd, but barely noticable. I tried it in 1st at 4k with the brake on to load it up, and nothing. so it seems to me its related to the speed of the output shaft the other explination could be a crown wheel. or pinion maybe. I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Jul 21st, 2006, 10:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
PmP GP 0380 My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saintfield Local Time: 11:49 PM Posts: 2,676 Offline	Funny Im getting a similar vibration but under acceleration in 3rd and above at speeds above about 50mph. The door pockets seem to vibrate and a strong vibration can sometimes be felt through the steering wheel at times under acceleration. Ive had wheels balanced and still problem occurs. Ive got eibach coilovers on that my be a factor. Help us somebody!

Jul 22nd, 2006, 02:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 2,864 Offline	good luck fellas Black MCS

Jul 22nd, 2006, 05:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by PmP Funny Im getting a similar vibration but under acceleration in 3rd and above at speeds above about 50mph. The door pockets seem to vibrate and a strong vibration can sometimes be felt through the steering wheel at times under acceleration. Ive had wheels balanced and still problem occurs. Ive got eibach coilovers on that my be a factor. Help us somebody! yep that's it. Now there's two of us it's characteristic of the model I guess. I feel better now Mine was fine one minute, and then all of a sudden - whooshka. (technical term) was yours the same? I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Jul 29th, 2006, 08:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
teddie MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: derby Local Time: 10:49 PM Posts: 5 Offline	mini vibration when accelerating especially over 45 mph I borrowed an 01 plate Cooper with 38 k on the clock last weekend and it had the same problem. No vibration at steady speed but on acceleration it had a terrible vibration coming from the front end but it did not seem like wheel balance. I thought it was likely to be a front suspension problem, worn bushes or movement in the front struts if they have them. That and the fact it was a Yellow one stopped me from buying it as a run around until the new model comes out.

Jul 31st, 2006, 09:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
caschumann MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Paul, MN, USA Local Time: 05:49 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Similar Vibration Problem I too have a vibration problem. Everything is smooth sailing until I get above 70 MPH. By about 80 MPH I at times get scared the thing is going to vibrate apart! It feels like I'm driving on an extremely bumpy road (which I'm not...) When I slow down to 70 MPH, it again is smooth driving. I've got an appointment with the dealer next week to have a look - but, in researching this forum, it doesn't look promising. Any helpful hints would be great. MINI USA seems to like to follow their "protocols" for trouble shooting which often leaves you coming back in time after time to finally get the problems resolved - I recal 3 trips to finally get my Nav System screen replaced!

Jul 31st, 2006, 10:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 06:49 PM Posts: 449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by caschumann I too have a vibration problem. Everything is smooth sailing until I get above 70 MPH. By about 80 MPH I at times get scared the thing is going to vibrate apart! It feels like I'm driving on an extremely bumpy road (which I'm not...) When I slow down to 70 MPH, it again is smooth driving. I've got an appointment with the dealer next week to have a look - but, in researching this forum, it doesn't look promising. Any helpful hints would be great. MINI USA seems to like to follow their "protocols" for trouble shooting which often leaves you coming back in time after time to finally get the problems resolved - I recal 3 trips to finally get my Nav System screen replaced! you've got a wheel balance or alignment problem dude .

Jul 31st, 2006, 10:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 06:49 PM Posts: 449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr G yep that's it. Now there's two of us it's characteristic of the model I guess. I feel better now Mine was fine one minute, and then all of a sudden - whooshka. (technical term) was yours the same? make that three of us .mine comes and goes . i believe it's either the harmonic balance or engine damper or mounts or both . i will be checking the torque on these this weekend .

Aug 1st, 2006, 08:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mr G Its not me - Its you Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spiffington Manse Local Time: 08:49 AM Posts: 3,103 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by herbie hind make that three of us .mine comes and goes . i believe it's either the harmonic balance or engine damper or mounts or both . i will be checking the torque on these this weekend . but why only in higher gears? I love Warsaw. Where else can you hug a pole? If you have any information, any information at all, please contact me as I'm writing an encyclopaedia.

Aug 1st, 2006, 10:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 06:49 PM Posts: 449 Offline	higher gears make load more apparent . it's a good way to check a clutch too . just get in high gear and head up a gradual incline on the highway ...then nail it if the rpms run up and no movement it's the clutch time . so with load same thing. top gear roll ons are asking alot from the motor .especially up hill .the motor has to work hard so any vibes (like starting off in 2nd gear) will become apparent.

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