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JAMIE1131 · Sep 21st, 2007, 04:57 PM

It looks like I'm about to find out how good MINI emergency service is! Started up the car and heard the sound of bubbling water from the dash, checked the coolant and its spat most of it out and is now well below the minimum level. It had an inspection 2 and coolant change less than 500 miles ago and I complained then about the fan coming on a lot to be told its normal!!!

Wurzel · Sep 21st, 2007, 05:04 PM

Sounds like your inspection 2 was not done properly, The mini emergency service are usually a lot more honest than the people behind the desk at the dealers, make sure you tell him/her that the fan kept coming on since the inspection.

if you can get the mini E/S to say the inspecton is at fault this will save you lots of moaning to the dealer.

Good luck.

richg40 · Sep 21st, 2007, 08:25 PM

The bubbling behind the dash is air trapped in the heater matrix. this is a common fault. it needs rebleeding, as it sounds like it wasnt done properly the first time.

Gristy · Sep 22nd, 2007, 05:11 PM

Was the inspection 2 done at Sytners?

JAMIE1131 · Sep 22nd, 2007, 05:14 PM

yep! they now have the car back!

Jaw_F430 · Sep 22nd, 2007, 07:11 PM

I had a similar problem with the fan coming on a lot and coolant level keep going down. Took it to the dealer and said the thermostat housing was cracked. Replaced under warranty, ok now

MINICooperMurph · Sep 22nd, 2007, 07:13 PM

my fan seems to come on with the air con. Is that normal?

richg40 · Sep 23rd, 2007, 12:04 PM

Gristy · Sep 23rd, 2007, 05:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original)

yep! they now have the car back!

Not been back there since i bought my MINI - i go down to Wollastons now

JAMIE1131 · Sep 24th, 2007, 04:44 PM

Sytners called today and confirmed what I had feared, Head gasket failure!!!! how can this happen on a car with 65000 miles, less than fours years old and a full service history?
being a powertrain design engineer I drive it with sympathy, fill up with top quality fuel and have it looked at whenever it makes the slightest noise. The warranty runs out in December and I'm fed up of defending it now and I'm tempted to get rid when I get it back.

LoDRpR · Sep 25th, 2007, 12:21 PM

I have the same issue in the last 2 weeks, the fan keeps starting again and again(with A/C turned off). The temp indicator inside the car shows everything is normal.

can somebody tell me what might be wrong? (I don't have any service to trust 100% so I want to know first a list with possible fauls before asking them)

thanks!

JAMIE1131 · Sep 25th, 2007, 05:58 PM

Car is now at home with new head gasket. going back in on Friday for replacement of a busted HT lead and to replace a bolt from the intercooler mount.
I'm expecting a call from Sytner tomorrow to discuss a replacement vehicle, watch this space!

Gristy · Oct 1st, 2007, 07:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original)

Car is now at home with new head gasket. going back in on Friday for replacement of a busted HT lead and to replace a bolt from the intercooler mount.
I'm expecting a call from Sytner tomorrow to discuss a replacement vehicle, watch this space!

What did you get out of our Sytner friends?

Ant FR · Oct 2nd, 2007, 11:22 AM

sound like al ot of you guys need a scanguage. Your fan on the MCS should cut in at 104c and will lower the temp straight back to 92-93 which is what the MCS sits at as a running temp. i do prefer the scanguage to monitor this. believe me, do not trust the vehicle temp guage as it is very inaccurate.

JAMIE1131 · Oct 2nd, 2007, 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Gristie (original)

What did you get out of our Sytner friends?

Sytner are being excellent about it actually. They have agreed a replacement vehicle and are looking for an appropriate car, trouble is mine is quite highly specced so its quite hard to find another one like it.

Gristy · Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original)

Sytner are being excellent about it actually. They have agreed a replacement vehicle and are looking for an appropriate car, trouble is mine is quite highly specced so its quite hard to find another one like it.

Sounds like they are doing a good job in sorting you out then - good luck with finding a new one

JAMIE1131 · Oct 7th, 2007, 02:29 PM

Found the new one: http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...-new-mini.html

MINI-Morgan · Oct 7th, 2007, 10:01 PM

very odd.....Now did the head gasket fail because it was its time or because the engine overheated?

JAMIE1131 · Oct 8th, 2007, 05:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

very odd.....Now did the head gasket fail because it was its time or because the engine overheated?

I think one possibility is an airlock in the coolant. This failure happened les than five hundred miles after having the coolant changed. The temp gauge didn't leave the middle. Oil looked okay afterwards but there was a hell load of steam from the exhaust whilst it was being loaded onto the recovery truck!

oldmots · Oct 8th, 2007, 06:55 PM

You may be right about the airlock. An airlock will create a bubble of air that allows the metal touched by the air bubble to superheat and warps the metal. These cars are easily airlocked and require extensive bleeding when changing coolant, more so than most cars. There are three bleed valves and the heater must be opened electrically and held open during refill. In addition, the pressur cap must be kept open while the newly refilled system is run up to the point the thermostat opens and then watched until all bubbles stop coming up in the filler neck or header tank in the S.

Sep 21st, 2007, 04:57 PM	#1
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	MINI Emergency! It looks like I'm about to find out how good MINI emergency service is! Started up the car and heard the sound of bubbling water from the dash, checked the coolant and its spat most of it out and is now well below the minimum level. It had an inspection 2 and coolant change less than 500 miles ago and I complained then about the fan coming on a lot to be told its normal!!!

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MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 4,611 Offline	very odd.....Now did the head gasket fail because it was its time or because the engine overheated? One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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Sep 21st, 2007, 05:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wurzel Oh arr Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bromley Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 94 Offline	Sounds like your inspection 2 was not done properly, The mini emergency service are usually a lot more honest than the people behind the desk at the dealers, make sure you tell him/her that the fan kept coming on since the inspection. if you can get the mini E/S to say the inspecton is at fault this will save you lots of moaning to the dealer. Good luck.

Sep 21st, 2007, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
richg40 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 102 Offline	The bubbling behind the dash is air trapped in the heater matrix. this is a common fault. it needs rebleeding, as it sounds like it wasnt done properly the first time.

Sep 22nd, 2007, 05:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gristy Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Ruby... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Loughborough Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,359 Offline	Was the inspection 2 done at Sytners?

Sep 22nd, 2007, 05:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	yep! they now have the car back!

Sep 22nd, 2007, 07:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 675 Offline	I had a similar problem with the fan coming on a lot and coolant level keep going down. Took it to the dealer and said the thermostat housing was cracked. Replaced under warranty, ok now

Sep 22nd, 2007, 07:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
MINICooperMurph aka Nick Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 314 Offline	my fan seems to come on with the air con. Is that normal?

Sep 23rd, 2007, 05:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gristy Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Ruby... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Loughborough Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,359 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original) yep! they now have the car back! Not been back there since i bought my MINI - i go down to Wollastons now

Sep 24th, 2007, 04:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	Sytners called today and confirmed what I had feared, Head gasket failure!!!! how can this happen on a car with 65000 miles, less than fours years old and a full service history? being a powertrain design engineer I drive it with sympathy, fill up with top quality fuel and have it looked at whenever it makes the slightest noise. The warranty runs out in December and I'm fed up of defending it now and I'm tempted to get rid when I get it back.

Sep 25th, 2007, 12:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
LoDRpR MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Local Time: 01:01 PM Posts: 20 Offline	I have the same issue in the last 2 weeks, the fan keeps starting again and again(with A/C turned off). The temp indicator inside the car shows everything is normal. can somebody tell me what might be wrong? (I don't have any service to trust 100% so I want to know first a list with possible fauls before asking them) thanks!

Sep 25th, 2007, 05:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	Car is now at home with new head gasket. going back in on Friday for replacement of a busted HT lead and to replace a bolt from the intercooler mount. I'm expecting a call from Sytner tomorrow to discuss a replacement vehicle, watch this space!

Oct 1st, 2007, 07:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gristy Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Ruby... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Loughborough Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,359 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original) Car is now at home with new head gasket. going back in on Friday for replacement of a busted HT lead and to replace a bolt from the intercooler mount. I'm expecting a call from Sytner tomorrow to discuss a replacement vehicle, watch this space! What did you get out of our Sytner friends?

Oct 2nd, 2007, 11:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,843 Offline	sound like al ot of you guys need a scanguage. Your fan on the MCS should cut in at 104c and will lower the temp straight back to 92-93 which is what the MCS sits at as a running temp. i do prefer the scanguage to monitor this. believe me, do not trust the vehicle temp guage as it is very inaccurate.

Oct 2nd, 2007, 12:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Gristie (original) What did you get out of our Sytner friends? Sytner are being excellent about it actually. They have agreed a replacement vehicle and are looking for an appropriate car, trouble is mine is quite highly specced so its quite hard to find another one like it.

Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
Gristy Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Ruby... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Loughborough Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 1,359 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by JAMIE1131 (original) Sytner are being excellent about it actually. They have agreed a replacement vehicle and are looking for an appropriate car, trouble is mine is quite highly specced so its quite hard to find another one like it. Sounds like they are doing a good job in sorting you out then - good luck with finding a new one

Oct 7th, 2007, 02:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	Found the new one: http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...-new-mini.html

Oct 8th, 2007, 05:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
JAMIE1131 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Earl Shilton, Leics. Local Time: 11:01 AM Posts: 792 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) very odd.....Now did the head gasket fail because it was its time or because the engine overheated? I think one possibility is an airlock in the coolant. This failure happened les than five hundred miles after having the coolant changed. The temp gauge didn't leave the middle. Oil looked okay afterwards but there was a hell load of steam from the exhaust whilst it was being loaded onto the recovery truck!

Oct 8th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
oldmots MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Eastern USA Local Time: 06:01 AM Posts: 244 Offline	You may be right about the airlock. An airlock will create a bubble of air that allows the metal touched by the air bubble to superheat and warps the metal. These cars are easily airlocked and require extensive bleeding when changing coolant, more so than most cars. There are three bleed valves and the heater must be opened electrically and held open during refill. In addition, the pressur cap must be kept open while the newly refilled system is run up to the point the thermostat opens and then watched until all bubbles stop coming up in the filler neck or header tank in the S.

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