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Boltz · Mar 10th, 2003, 09:31 PM

I've read a lot about the CVT stallng problems, and the potential fix, but there also seem to be some 5-speed Coopers out there with a similar problem. When the engine is cold, my car hesitates and lurches. Push in the clutch and it stumbles and sometimes stalls. After a few seconds, however, it begins to run smoothly and does not have the problem again until the next cold start. This is made worse when the air conditioner is running (although we haven't had to worry about that for awhile). I am interested in knowing how many others have experienced this, and whether anybody has had it checked by a dealer.

dsakko · Mar 10th, 2003, 10:11 PM

Yep. Had the very same problem. With mine it used to happen at up to 2000 rpm, so it would occasionally splutter and stall when you're driving.

I had it happen several times driving along in first at just under 2000 rpm and would lose all power. Eventually clutch in and come to a stop and the engine would stall. EMI light would come on but no fault was logged to the computer.

No explanation for it here, but dealer said a couple of people had reported it. They updated the software and now it has never happened above idle. Only time it happens is if you let the revs drop too low when taking off, so no longer an inconvenience.

BTW this was in May of last year. Mine's a Feb02 build car.

HarryHBMCC · Mar 11th, 2003, 02:16 PM

My Feb 02 built Cooper has also done this. I took it to the dealer last spring and they said nothing was wrong with the throttle body etc. It seems like it might be a bit gas sensitive too as I find 10% ethanol fuels make the car a bit more prone to stalling.

With the engine very cold the engine idles high to compensate but if I back out of my driveway quickly and slam on the brakes it can stall. Miniguy told us that the early cars have an inertial sensor which tries to detect impending crashes and starts to cut off the fuel supply (newer cars cut fuel when the airbags go off instead of using inertia, or so he said). With the engine warmed up, it can handle the lean fuel just fine but when the engine is cold, it cannot so it can stall if it is in neutral (no wheel inertia to keep it going). The solution is to idle the car for a short while before taking off or to stop more slowly at first and not leave the car in neutral until the revs come up so the wheels can keep it going.

Like you said, it only happens right after starting. As soon as it gets over its burp, it is fine. I suspect a problem in the fly-by-wire throttle software, perhaps with interference from the inertial switch that Miniguy mentioned. It is managable and perhaps one day when I go to the dealer they'll have a software patch for me.

With the AC on in the summer (enough to put a big load on the engine) I find I must give it extra gas and slip the clutch a little from a start sometimes or else it has trouble. Again, this looks like software as fly-by-wire throttle should take care of it for us but we are left to row our own. It would be nice if they had an update for this by the summer.

Harry

cooper4us · Mar 11th, 2003, 03:56 PM

You need to book your car for a service appt at the dealership and have them download software update version 32.1 in your car's DME as soon as possible.

cooper4us · Mar 11th, 2003, 03:58 PM

This is strictly an engine software calibration issue...has nothing to do with fuels. The 32.1 software update corrects these annoying problems in both the Cooper 5-speed and CVT models.

Get it done ASAP.

cooper4us · Mar 11th, 2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue
My Feb 02 built Cooper has also done this. I took it to the dealer last spring and they said nothing was wrong with the throttle body etc. It seems like it might be a bit gas sensitive too as I find 10% ethanol fuels make the car a bit more prone to stalling.

With the engine very cold the engine idles high to compensate but if I back out of my driveway quickly and slam on the brakes it can stall. Miniguy told us that the early cars have an inertial sensor which tries to detect impending crashes and starts to cut off the fuel supply (newer cars cut fuel when the airbags go off instead of using inertia, or so he said). With the engine warmed up, it can handle the lean fuel just fine but when the engine is cold, it cannot so it can stall if it is in neutral (no wheel inertia to keep it going). The solution is to idle the car for a short while before taking off or to stop more slowly at first and not leave the car in neutral until the revs come up so the wheels can keep it going.

Like you said, it only happens right after starting. As soon as it gets over its burp, it is fine. I suspect a problem in the fly-by-wire throttle software, perhaps with interference from the inertial switch that Miniguy mentioned. It is managable and perhaps one day when I go to the dealer they'll have a software patch for me.

With the AC on in the summer (enough to put a big load on the engine) I find I must give it extra gas and slip the clutch a little from a start sometimes or else it has trouble. Again, this looks like software as fly-by-wire throttle should take care of it for us but we are left to row our own. It would be nice if they had an update for this by the summer.

Harry

Harry:

You need to get 32.1 installed in your car. It has been available in the US since early February.

Boltz · Mar 12th, 2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper4us
This is strictly an engine software calibration issue...has nothing to do with fuels. The 32.1 software update corrects these annoying problems in both the Cooper 5-speed and CVT models.

Get it done ASAP.

cooper4us,
It looks like Harry and I have the same problem. I had not heard that the 32.1 software update was intended to fix the 5-speed as well as the CVT. I wonder whether anyone out there with a 5-speed has had the upgrade installed and whether it has improved performance. Thanks for the information.

Craig

HarryHBMCC · Mar 12th, 2003, 02:13 PM

Don't know if MINI Canada has 32.1 yet but I will ask. My car is having an alignment done on Friday so perhaps both could take place if they have it.

Harry

Roscoe76 · Mar 12th, 2003, 02:27 PM

Harry - would you mind posting MINI Canada's response if you find out? I'm sure many of us would be interested in 32.1 if it was, in fact, available.

Why wouldn't this be brought to our attention? Money, time, and effort on their part I suppose.

HarryHBMCC · Mar 12th, 2003, 02:48 PM

MINI seems to do "quality enhancement updates" here instead of recalls for some stuff so it is good to take your car in once in a while or call to see if any are applicable. Was the gearbox linkage a recall? I'll go back and check my letter (got it after I had it done). They sent out a letter for the seat controls too, though I didn't bother getting those done.

I'll certainly post if it is available or not and if they do it on Friday, I'll let everyone know if there is any difference in how it runs. Would be nice for it to behave itself better with the AC on and would be nice to have it not stall when it is dead cold.

Harry

Boltz · Mar 12th, 2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue
I'll certainly post if it is available or not and if they do it on Friday, I'll let everyone know if there is any difference in how it runs. Would be nice for it to behave itself better with the AC on and would be nice to have it not stall when it is dead cold.

Harry

Please do let us know. Since my nearest dealer is 125 miles away, it would be a great help to know of a positive result before I make the trip.

Craig

HarryHBMCC · Mar 18th, 2003, 12:45 AM

OK, had the update done on Friday. Not much driving since and certainly not much cold weather as it has been warm ever since but so far, no stalls. At times when it might have stalled before I notice instead of going low, it goes high (up to 1400RPMs or so) and then goes back to normal so it looks like it is doing its job. I'll report back if I have further trouble and when the weather gets cold again.

Steering wheel is straight now as well after the alignment and the vibration is gone (some hard packed mud stuck on things).

Now I just have to decide when to get the snow tires off...

Harry

Boltz · Mar 18th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue
OK, had the update done on Friday. Not much driving since and certainly not much cold weather as it has been warm ever since but so far, no stalls. At times when it might have stalled before I notice instead of going low, it goes high (up to 1400RPMs or so) and then goes back to normal so it looks like it is doing its job. I'll report back if I have further trouble and when the weather gets cold again.

Harry

Thanks for the report. I will have to see my dealer. Let us know when it gets warm enough to try driving with the A/C on.

Craig

HarryHBMCC · Mar 19th, 2003, 11:37 PM

Was colder again this morning and yet I had no trouble. It is actually tough to stall now. Only problem is this can make it a bit jerky at low speeds (need more clutch as it is revving a bit higher than I'm accustomed). It was warm the other day but I had the windows down instead of trying out the AC. Will report again when I try the AC.

Harry

MINI Division · Mar 27th, 2003, 03:33 AM

I'm with MINIUSA. Have you talked to your dealer about the software upgrade? Your dealer is really in the best position to advise you as to whether or not you are a candidate for the upgrade. Our experience has been that those owners who have required the upgrade have been satisfied, and their symptoms have been resolved. Think about giving your MINI dealer a shout. Feel free to call us at 866.ASK MINI, of course, for further assistance with this or anything else you may need.

cooper4us · Mar 27th, 2003, 07:50 AM

MINIdivision:

Do you know when CD 33 is scheduled to be released to all 70 USA MINI dealerships?

By the way, thanks for the great work you guys have done. CD 32.1 was indeed a quantum leap in terms of driveability of these cars.

Keep the good work and motoring spirit up.

Tremoral · Mar 29th, 2003, 10:06 PM

I had the same problem with production date 12/02. The dealership updated the software (version unknown) and that problem has gone away, but I believe it's not completely gone. After the software change I have this rare problem crop up. I would like to hear if anyone else has noticed this as well.

The problem seems to happen when with the clutch disengaged, you engage it, accelerate and hit a bump at the same time, there is a hesitation in acceleration like if your foot comes off the gas at that moment. I almost think there is a loose wire or something because without that bump I have no problem.

I have this corner I enter that has this small bump in it that can't be avoided and every time I go around this corner it happens.

Anyone else have this hesitation and thought maybe your foot came off the gas but it really didn't come off the gas?

HarryHBMCC · Mar 29th, 2003, 11:08 PM

Is ASC+T engaging? I find ASC+T (and ABS) engage at times on bumpy roads. Somehow the bump makes the system think the wheel's spin rate is different indicating lockup or slippage. My car's behaviour in this regard has not changed since the software update.

Whenever this happens to me in an accelerating situation, the ASC+T light comes on indicating that it is working. ABS indicates it is working by vibrating the brake pedal. To see if ASC+T is causing it, turn it off and take the same corner again to see if it occurs without traction control enabled.

What has changed since the update is that the car is a little more difficult to drive in a smooth manner at low speeds, probably due to the higher idle speed. Guess I need to slip the clutch a little more than I used to (or I'm still not used to wearing shoes instead of boots).

Harry

billkrz · Mar 30th, 2003, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINI Division
I'm with MINIUSA. Have you talked to your dealer about the software upgrade? Your dealer is really in the best position to advise you as to whether or not you are a candidate for the upgrade. Our experience has been that those owners who have required the upgrade have been satisfied, and their symptoms have been resolved. Think about giving your MINI dealer a shout. Feel free to call us at 866.ASK MINI, of course, for further assistance with this or anything else you may need.

Well, MINI Division, I did call my dealer (Crown MINI in Richmond) about this issue and ended up having to leave a message on the serviceman's(Shawn Peace's) recorder. So far, no response and it's been 3 weeks. As my dealer is 100 miles away,it would be nice to know if and when the definitive answer regarding the stall and low speed bog will be completed before I bring it in. I've been mentioning this problem since last July.
On a positive note, I drove a 2003 MINI Cooper and it drove just fine! It's owner drove my car and noticed the characteristics I've mentioned. So...what's changed?

bluezoom · Apr 2nd, 2003, 04:09 AM

1.april.03

MC 5/02 5 speed.
I was having stalling problems in February so bad it went into limp mode and needed to be towed. They replaced the throttle body which seemed to help for a while, but then it stalled again in march and the SES light came on.

I drove it back to mini before it needed to be towed again. They tried to upgrade the engine control computer but the DME crashed, so they sent it to Mini-NJ for repair. (they said it was a fault in the DME, so they couldn't install the upgrade without repairing it- or they f-d up the upgrade?).

The SES light was from the DIS fault 1125 so they also replaced the wiring harness (one week delivery from Germany, but they were very generous again with the rental car).

I don't know which repair helped but now it runs like a dream (except for a rare hesitation in reverse gear), with much better mpg (30 up from 24 mpg). It's never been so smooth moving out of first gear (and I thought it was my inadequate clutch skills).
See also "throtle body actuator" thread and "defect codes P1226 and P1125 (throttle)" thread
Cheers
BZ

Mar 10th, 2003, 09:31 PM	#1
Boltz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zebulon, NC Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 39 Offline	Stalling: Cooper 5-speed I've read a lot about the CVT stallng problems, and the potential fix, but there also seem to be some 5-speed Coopers out there with a similar problem. When the engine is cold, my car hesitates and lurches. Push in the clutch and it stumbles and sometimes stalls. After a few seconds, however, it begins to run smoothly and does not have the problem again until the next cold start. This is made worse when the air conditioner is running (although we haven't had to worry about that for awhile). I am interested in knowing how many others have experienced this, and whether anybody has had it checked by a dealer. 2002 Cooper BRG/White 1947 Ford 8N

Mar 11th, 2003, 02:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	My Feb 02 built Cooper has also done this. I took it to the dealer last spring and they said nothing was wrong with the throttle body etc. It seems like it might be a bit gas sensitive too as I find 10% ethanol fuels make the car a bit more prone to stalling. With the engine very cold the engine idles high to compensate but if I back out of my driveway quickly and slam on the brakes it can stall. Miniguy told us that the early cars have an inertial sensor which tries to detect impending crashes and starts to cut off the fuel supply (newer cars cut fuel when the airbags go off instead of using inertia, or so he said). With the engine warmed up, it can handle the lean fuel just fine but when the engine is cold, it cannot so it can stall if it is in neutral (no wheel inertia to keep it going). The solution is to idle the car for a short while before taking off or to stop more slowly at first and not leave the car in neutral until the revs come up so the wheels can keep it going. Like you said, it only happens right after starting. As soon as it gets over its burp, it is fine. I suspect a problem in the fly-by-wire throttle software, perhaps with interference from the inertial switch that Miniguy mentioned. It is managable and perhaps one day when I go to the dealer they'll have a software patch for me. With the AC on in the summer (enough to put a big load on the engine) I find I must give it extra gas and slip the clutch a little from a start sometimes or else it has trouble. Again, this looks like software as fly-by-wire throttle should take care of it for us but we are left to row our own. It would be nice if they had an update for this by the summer. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 11th, 2003, 03:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	You need to book your car for a service appt at the dealership and have them download software update version 32.1 in your car's DME as soon as possible. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Mar 11th, 2003, 03:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	This is strictly an engine software calibration issue...has nothing to do with fuels. The 32.1 software update corrects these annoying problems in both the Cooper 5-speed and CVT models. Get it done ASAP. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Mar 11th, 2003, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue My Feb 02 built Cooper has also done this. I took it to the dealer last spring and they said nothing was wrong with the throttle body etc. It seems like it might be a bit gas sensitive too as I find 10% ethanol fuels make the car a bit more prone to stalling. With the engine very cold the engine idles high to compensate but if I back out of my driveway quickly and slam on the brakes it can stall. Miniguy told us that the early cars have an inertial sensor which tries to detect impending crashes and starts to cut off the fuel supply (newer cars cut fuel when the airbags go off instead of using inertia, or so he said). With the engine warmed up, it can handle the lean fuel just fine but when the engine is cold, it cannot so it can stall if it is in neutral (no wheel inertia to keep it going). The solution is to idle the car for a short while before taking off or to stop more slowly at first and not leave the car in neutral until the revs come up so the wheels can keep it going. Like you said, it only happens right after starting. As soon as it gets over its burp, it is fine. I suspect a problem in the fly-by-wire throttle software, perhaps with interference from the inertial switch that Miniguy mentioned. It is managable and perhaps one day when I go to the dealer they'll have a software patch for me. With the AC on in the summer (enough to put a big load on the engine) I find I must give it extra gas and slip the clutch a little from a start sometimes or else it has trouble. Again, this looks like software as fly-by-wire throttle should take care of it for us but we are left to row our own. It would be nice if they had an update for this by the summer. Harry Harry: You need to get 32.1 installed in your car. It has been available in the US since early February. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

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Mar 10th, 2003, 10:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
dsakko MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Adelaide, S.A. Local Time: 12:42 PM Posts: 720 Offline	Yep. Had the very same problem. With mine it used to happen at up to 2000 rpm, so it would occasionally splutter and stall when you're driving. I had it happen several times driving along in first at just under 2000 rpm and would lose all power. Eventually clutch in and come to a stop and the engine would stall. EMI light would come on but no fault was logged to the computer. No explanation for it here, but dealer said a couple of people had reported it. They updated the software and now it has never happened above idle. Only time it happens is if you let the revs drop too low when taking off, so no longer an inconvenience. BTW this was in May of last year. Mine's a Feb02 build car.

Mar 12th, 2003, 12:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Boltz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zebulon, NC Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 39 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cooper4us This is strictly an engine software calibration issue...has nothing to do with fuels. The 32.1 software update corrects these annoying problems in both the Cooper 5-speed and CVT models. Get it done ASAP. cooper4us, It looks like Harry and I have the same problem. I had not heard that the 32.1 software update was intended to fix the 5-speed as well as the CVT. I wonder whether anyone out there with a 5-speed has had the upgrade installed and whether it has improved performance. Thanks for the information. Craig 2002 Cooper BRG/White 1947 Ford 8N

Mar 12th, 2003, 02:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Don't know if MINI Canada has 32.1 yet but I will ask. My car is having an alignment done on Friday so perhaps both could take place if they have it. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 12th, 2003, 02:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Roscoe76 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 123 Offline	Harry - would you mind posting MINI Canada's response if you find out? I'm sure many of us would be interested in 32.1 if it was, in fact, available. Why wouldn't this be brought to our attention? Money, time, and effort on their part I suppose. SOMC Member since '03 http://www.mini2.com/gallery/persona.../roscoe762.jpg

Mar 12th, 2003, 02:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	MINI seems to do "quality enhancement updates" here instead of recalls for some stuff so it is good to take your car in once in a while or call to see if any are applicable. Was the gearbox linkage a recall? I'll go back and check my letter (got it after I had it done). They sent out a letter for the seat controls too, though I didn't bother getting those done. I'll certainly post if it is available or not and if they do it on Friday, I'll let everyone know if there is any difference in how it runs. Would be nice for it to behave itself better with the AC on and would be nice to have it not stall when it is dead cold. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 12th, 2003, 04:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Boltz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zebulon, NC Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 39 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue I'll certainly post if it is available or not and if they do it on Friday, I'll let everyone know if there is any difference in how it runs. Would be nice for it to behave itself better with the AC on and would be nice to have it not stall when it is dead cold. Harry Please do let us know. Since my nearest dealer is 125 miles away, it would be a great help to know of a positive result before I make the trip. Craig 2002 Cooper BRG/White 1947 Ford 8N

Mar 18th, 2003, 12:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	OK, had the update done on Friday. Not much driving since and certainly not much cold weather as it has been warm ever since but so far, no stalls. At times when it might have stalled before I notice instead of going low, it goes high (up to 1400RPMs or so) and then goes back to normal so it looks like it is doing its job. I'll report back if I have further trouble and when the weather gets cold again. Steering wheel is straight now as well after the alignment and the vibration is gone (some hard packed mud stuck on things). Now I just have to decide when to get the snow tires off... Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 18th, 2003, 09:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Boltz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zebulon, NC Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 39 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by HarryIndiBlue OK, had the update done on Friday. Not much driving since and certainly not much cold weather as it has been warm ever since but so far, no stalls. At times when it might have stalled before I notice instead of going low, it goes high (up to 1400RPMs or so) and then goes back to normal so it looks like it is doing its job. I'll report back if I have further trouble and when the weather gets cold again. Harry Thanks for the report. I will have to see my dealer. Let us know when it gets warm enough to try driving with the A/C on. Craig 2002 Cooper BRG/White 1947 Ford 8N

Mar 19th, 2003, 11:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Was colder again this morning and yet I had no trouble. It is actually tough to stall now. Only problem is this can make it a bit jerky at low speeds (need more clutch as it is revving a bit higher than I'm accustomed). It was warm the other day but I had the windows down instead of trying out the AC. Will report again when I try the AC. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 27th, 2003, 03:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
MINI Division MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 03:12 AM Posts: 63 Offline	RE: Stalling: Cooper 5-speed I'm with MINIUSA. Have you talked to your dealer about the software upgrade? Your dealer is really in the best position to advise you as to whether or not you are a candidate for the upgrade. Our experience has been that those owners who have required the upgrade have been satisfied, and their symptoms have been resolved. Think about giving your MINI dealer a shout. Feel free to call us at 866.ASK MINI, of course, for further assistance with this or anything else you may need. MINI Division Customer Relations

Mar 27th, 2003, 07:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 1,423 Offline	MINIdivision: Do you know when CD 33 is scheduled to be released to all 70 USA MINI dealerships? By the way, thanks for the great work you guys have done. CD 32.1 was indeed a quantum leap in terms of driveability of these cars. Keep the good work and motoring spirit up. '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Mar 29th, 2003, 10:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Tremoral MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 11 Offline	5 Speed Stall I had the same problem with production date 12/02. The dealership updated the software (version unknown) and that problem has gone away, but I believe it's not completely gone. After the software change I have this rare problem crop up. I would like to hear if anyone else has noticed this as well. The problem seems to happen when with the clutch disengaged, you engage it, accelerate and hit a bump at the same time, there is a hesitation in acceleration like if your foot comes off the gas at that moment. I almost think there is a loose wire or something because without that bump I have no problem. I have this corner I enter that has this small bump in it that can't be avoided and every time I go around this corner it happens. Anyone else have this hesitation and thought maybe your foot came off the gas but it really didn't come off the gas?

Mar 29th, 2003, 11:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Is ASC+T engaging? I find ASC+T (and ABS) engage at times on bumpy roads. Somehow the bump makes the system think the wheel's spin rate is different indicating lockup or slippage. My car's behaviour in this regard has not changed since the software update. Whenever this happens to me in an accelerating situation, the ASC+T light comes on indicating that it is working. ABS indicates it is working by vibrating the brake pedal. To see if ASC+T is causing it, turn it off and take the same corner again to see if it occurs without traction control enabled. What has changed since the update is that the car is a little more difficult to drive in a smooth manner at low speeds, probably due to the higher idle speed. Guess I need to slip the clutch a little more than I used to (or I'm still not used to wearing shoes instead of boots). Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

Mar 30th, 2003, 05:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
billkrz MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: virginia Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 99 Offline	Re: RE: Stalling: Cooper 5-speed Quote: Originally posted by MINI Division I'm with MINIUSA. Have you talked to your dealer about the software upgrade? Your dealer is really in the best position to advise you as to whether or not you are a candidate for the upgrade. Our experience has been that those owners who have required the upgrade have been satisfied, and their symptoms have been resolved. Think about giving your MINI dealer a shout. Feel free to call us at 866.ASK MINI, of course, for further assistance with this or anything else you may need. Well, MINI Division, I did call my dealer (Crown MINI in Richmond) about this issue and ended up having to leave a message on the serviceman's(Shawn Peace's) recorder. So far, no response and it's been 3 weeks. As my dealer is 100 miles away,it would be nice to know if and when the definitive answer regarding the stall and low speed bog will be completed before I bring it in. I've been mentioning this problem since last July. On a positive note, I drove a 2003 MINI Cooper and it drove just fine! It's owner drove my car and noticed the characteristics I've mentioned. So...what's changed? 1959 Austin-Healey Sprite 1976 Triumph TR6 1994 BRG Miata 2002 MINI Cooper

Apr 2nd, 2003, 04:09 AM	#20 (permalink)
bluezoom MINI2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chicago Local Time: 10:12 PM Posts: 2 Offline	stalling 1.april.03 MC 5/02 5 speed. I was having stalling problems in February so bad it went into limp mode and needed to be towed. They replaced the throttle body which seemed to help for a while, but then it stalled again in march and the SES light came on. I drove it back to mini before it needed to be towed again. They tried to upgrade the engine control computer but the DME crashed, so they sent it to Mini-NJ for repair. (they said it was a fault in the DME, so they couldn't install the upgrade without repairing it- or they f-d up the upgrade?). The SES light was from the DIS fault 1125 so they also replaced the wiring harness (one week delivery from Germany, but they were very generous again with the rental car). I don't know which repair helped but now it runs like a dream (except for a rare hesitation in reverse gear), with much better mpg (30 up from 24 mpg). It's never been so smooth moving out of first gear (and I thought it was my inadequate clutch skills). See also "throtle body actuator" thread and "defect codes P1226 and P1125 (throttle)" thread Cheers BZ

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