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View Poll Results: IMPORTANT. Have you had a power steering/pump failure? YES or NO only please.
NO. I have *NOT* had a steering failure in my MINIs, 696 34.94%
YES. I have had *ONE* steering failure in my MINIs, 1,108 55.62%
YES. I have had *TWO* steering failures in my MINIs, 112 5.62%
YES. I have had *THREE* steering failures in my MINIs, 24 1.20%
YES. I have had *MORE THAN THREE* steering failures in my MINIs. 52 2.61%
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Despite having steering problems on two of our four MINIs and believing this is quite a major issue (which I've been told has been looked at/rectified, although I've just spoken to someone today with steering problems) I still have to say you've got to take into account that "apathy rules" and if you've not had a problem, there's a very high chance you wont even bother to look at this thread, let alone vote.

Therefore, while 77% (or whatever it is just now) of those who've voted have not had problems, there's probably a MUCH higher proportion who've had no problem, and haven't bothered looking in.
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Thumbs up Agreed. But then again...

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett
Despite having steering problems on two of our four MINIs and believing this is quite a major issue (which I've been told has been looked at/rectified, although I've just spoken to someone today with steering problems) I still have to say you've got to take into account that "apathy rules" and if you've not had a problem, there's a very high chance you wont even bother to look at this thread, let alone vote.

Therefore, while 77% (or whatever it is just now) of those who've voted have not had problems, there's probably a MUCH higher proportion who've had no problem, and haven't bothered looking in.

Agreed Paul,

Thats entirely the reason why I made the title as vibrant as it could be with the word "IMPORTANT" and "Please vote YES or NO" because I understand that simple fact regarding apathy. Hence the reason also why I am going onto as many of the other steering related threads on here trying to drum up support for this poll. This poll is just that after all, without a fair chance though, no one can say and BMW can successfully continue to pull the wool over our collective eyes.

I'd really appreciate you making it "Sticky", then things would be more objective. Pretty please.

Thanks again for agreeing with my original thoughts.

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80 votes from a total of how many MINIs sold?
Trash stats.
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Old Feb 12th, 2004, 11:49 PM
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Exclamation Hmmm...

Quote: Originally Posted by agiduda
80 votes from a total of how many MINIs sold?
Trash stats.

That's a little strong, but your right ofcourse at this stage, the sample set is too small.

Feel free to comment though if you know of a better way to capture this information.

...you've got to start somewhere.

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Unfortunately only BMW has the real stats. Goonery may have an insight but I would not expect him to divulge much. Maybe keeping an eye on what the US NHTSA publishes will be worthwhile. in the meantime I will keep an eye on my own pump system
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I've already posted twice on this matter and the only thing that doses worry me is my scenario. I've decided on Monday, totally unworried, that maybe possibly my steering is a bit noiser than I thought it should be and I happened to be passing the dealership that I bought it from. There was no failure or anything from steering, it was ok. So I go in and they say that it doesn't sound right, they need to take a closer look, so it's booked in for the wednesday. Not the Tuesday because they have to order some spare parts. Fair enough, mini goes in wednesday, come later on Weds they ring me to say the car won't be available as they haven't completed the work, as they have had to change the complete steering rack and power steering associated componenents. Now this leads me to think, that if on monday they saw what appeared to me to be a fairly minor problem that turned out to be a major problem, That they ordered the whole rack and power steering parts in to eventually resolve the problem, it does sort of smell of an issue they were already aware about. This is sounds fairly negative, but it could noy have been a more pleasurable experience as far as dealers go. They collected the car and delivered it back to the house. I asked for a bit of internal trim to be replaced. On the C post where the little picture of the rear seat belt is and the rear seat belt feeds through, I had put a scratch in it with the dogs cage. The bit of trim cost 14.52 GBP, 52.86GBP to fit!!!!!!! That's reasonable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The thing that worries me is the fact there is a cooling fan on the underside for cooling the pump. To me this is an indication of a weakness that has a bandaid applied in the form of the fan. Add to that the design change that moves the breaker for the rad fans off the pump fan circuit. The whole setup gives me something to keep an eye on in the realm of long term use and reliability.
But then, I own a 3rd gen RX-7, compared to the worries of that beast I consider the MCS worry free.
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I have to add to this, as soon as I got her back I had to give her a good spanking, rip roaring thrash around the lanes of Kent and Surrey just to test my new steering out. And she didn't disappoint, but there again I never fell out of love in the first place!!!!!! Still and always will be so much Funnnnnnnnnnn With a Capital FFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote: Originally Posted by aharte
I have to add to this, as soon as I got her back I had to give her a good spanking, rip roaring thrash around the lanes of Kent and Surrey just to test my new steering out. And she didn't disappoint, but there again I never fell out of love in the first place!!!!!! Still and always will be so much Funnnnnnnnnnn With a Capital FFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!

I understand where your coming (or going) from!

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Quote: Originally Posted by agiduda
Unfortunately only BMW has the real stats. Goonery may have an insight but I would not expect him to divulge much. Maybe keeping an eye on what the US NHTSA publishes will be worthwhile. in the meantime I will keep an eye on my own pump system

Goonery has already commented briefly on this matter. He is though, by his own admission, not privvy to the complete information loop within BMW/MINI and can only comment from his knowledge during the manufacturing process. He did say though sometime ago that he knew of a bad batch of pumps back in September 2002, that would explain my first MINI's first failure. It doesn't however explain it's second failure in March 2003, or my brand-new September 2003 build MINI, that failed in December 2003.

Form your own opinion, but I feel (and it's being slowly backed up by others opinions too like aharte here), that something smells a more than a little off here. One might say "ratty" even?

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Hells teeth!

I've just noticed that one user (slegorreta) has reported MORE THAN 3 FAILURES!!!

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Something isn't right here. It is very unlikely that anyone will end up with three bad pumps in a row. Can those with mulitple failures contact each other and compare notes on driving style, usual ambient temps and how much stop and go traffic is done? Also I assume that all have made sure the cooling fan on the underside is operating.
Beyond that I wonder about debris in the pump oil. If the dealer does not flush the system when changing pumps you will probably trash every pump put on.
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Quote: Originally Posted by agiduda
Something isn't right here. It is very unlikely that anyone will end up with three bad pumps in a row. Can those with mulitple failures contact each other and compare notes on driving style, usual ambient temps and how much stop and go traffic is done? Also I assume that all have made sure the cooling fan on the underside is operating.
Beyond that I wonder about debris in the pump oil. If the dealer does not flush the system when changing pumps you will probably trash every pump put on.

MINI #1: BK52MXM
Failure #1: Car parked on my drive in a slightly nose-down attitude for 8 hours. Started engine in morning and steering did not work. Recovered.

Ambient temperature: ~25c
Age of car: 6 months

Failure #2: Car driven on motorway at a steady 70mph, non-stop for 110miles. At the end of that journey, the steering failed whilst pulling into a parking space and the car careers off over the next four parking spaces! Recovered.
Ambient temperature: ~25c.
Age of car: 12 months


MINI #2: ??53???
Failure #3: 1 month old car left on my mothers totally flat drive, while I go on a holiday of a lifetime in Australia. I return back, jet-lagged, 4 weeks later. I get into the car and start it, and the steering did not work. Recovered.

Ambient temperate: ~0c
Age of car: 2 months


Does that help? I am not at all sure that there's any pattern matey. Only that BMW offer us all a lot of flannel.

Wayne
Faults: BK52MXM, BN53ZDZ

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Not enough to draw any conclusions on. Probably the next best thing is to do an autopsy on a failed pump. Any donors?
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I'm still interested, but I've looked at stats from worldwide sales and cannot find any pattern that points to a particular problem with PAS pumps across vehicles built since 2001, this takes into account all climates and many different driving conditions, nearly 500,000 cars built now and nothing to point at PAS pumps as being a major weakness. Not saying that you are wrong , but coincidence could be a factor. frankly I'm puzzled.
Have you still got the car?.
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