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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Question Judder - Help - Worried - Expensive?!?!?! :S


Hi everyone,

My little Beanies I think is poorly

Beenie is June 2006 (06 reg), Petrol, 1.6, 63k miles

OK when I am in first gear, and i am letting my clutch out to move off, Beanie is juddering like mad!!! It is also starting to happen when changing from first to second.

Can someone offer some advice or insight please? Please let me know if you need more information?

Im worried i need a new clutch, or if not is it going to be expensive :S

Thank you lots in advance.
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Hi,
As no one else has answered i will have a go but i'm not a mechanic.
There was, i think a problem with the crank oil seal on some cars it leaks and if it's at the clutch end it would cause judder. It may be that your clutch is contaminated with oil.
It may *possibly* be something else, the only real way to tell is to take it to a garage i think.
Does your car have full MINI service histiory? If not it may be worth taking it to a good independent if you know of one in your area, although if you have and want to keep the service history and the top class resale value (assuming it is MINI main dealer history) maybe you would be better taking it to your local MINI dealer.
Good luck, and please let us know!

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There can be several causes of clutch judder. As the previous posted said, oil contamination will do this. However, there may be other causes as well. These include a worn out clutch, broken finger springs or a flywheel that is misaligned (possibly due to contact with a worn friction plate).

Unfortunately, an exact diagnosis requires removal and inspection of the clutch kit and flywheel.

63,000 miles isn't very high and I wouldn't expect you to have worn your clutch already. However, that depends strongly on driving style. I would take it to a dealer or independent mechanic. Clutch replacement on the Mini is an expensive job. The bulk of the cost is labour as the front of the car needs to be disassembled so the engine can be put in "service mode". It's a minimun 6 hour job. Labour at a dealership can easily run to €100+ per hour. Note that doesn't include parts.

To give you some idea, I had my clutch and flywheel replaced in December.
Cost breakdown was:

labour: €700
clutch kit: €270
flywheel: 550€
TOTAL: €1520 (not including tax)

You'll get a cheaper price with an independent mechanic. There is always the possibility of a DIY, but you need special tools and you won't know which parts you need until you get in there and look.

Good luck!

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebeanie (original)
Hi everyone,

My little Beanies I think is poorly

Beenie is June 2006 (06 reg), Petrol, 1.6, 63k miles

OK when I am in first gear, and i am letting my clutch out to move off, Beanie is juddering like mad!!! It is also starting to happen when changing from first to second.

Can someone offer some advice or insight please? Please let me know if you need more information?

Im worried i need a new clutch, or if not is it going to be expensive :S

Thank you lots in advance.

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Old Feb 27th, 2012, 02:51 PM
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Hi MiniDeLux,
I have a couple of related questions for you if you don't mind.
I notice you needed a flywheel, is that normal for a MINI or is yours a diesel with a dual mass flywheel?
I was kind of hoping the petrol engined cars didn't have a dual mass flywheels because when they do wear out they are expensive!
What mileage had yours done when the clutch needed replacing?

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I believe that Minis normally have dual mass flywheels. The (unfortunate) difference between the dual mass and single mass flywheels is that single mass flywheels are able to be resurfaced whereas the DMFs are not. They have to be replaced. Resurfacing is cheaper than complete replacement. It is possible the "One" version of the Mini has a single mass flywheel - check with your dealership to be sure.

My clutch started to go at around 56,000km. However, I complained to the dealership about a rattling noise when the car was in neutral with the clutch engaged (pedal up) when the car had about 20,000km on it. I was constantly told this noise was normal. Once the car hit 56,000 km, the clutch and flywheel were slipping badly. Furthermore, owing to a lack of available service appointments, I had to drive the car for about 7 days with a badly slipping clutch. The end result was an excessive amount of heat damage to the flywheel.

When the clutch and DMF were replaced, the car was out of warranty. I wrote to BMW/Mini and explained that a complete clutch and DMF replacement before 100,000km was not normal. In the end, Mini agreed to cover the cost of the flywheel, but I paid for the clutch and labour.

Even with reimbursement for the flywheel, this was very expensive.
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