Jcw Tc 210 ... End Of The Line???

[twig]

So, is the JCW Tuning Kit 210 BHP the end of the line?

Will they upgrade it to some other level or is this it since the gen one cars are lame ducks?

In other words, does anyone know if JCW will produce up grade, like they did from 200 to 210, say from 210 - 225 or can we forget about JCW until the Turbos appear?

[Rakey]

I suggest you read about the JCW GT 218bhp (possibly more bhp to come) car coming out

and I am not sure what you are on about lame ducks for??

[twig]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

I suggest you read about the JCW GT 218bhp (possibly more bhp to come) car coming out

and I am not sure what you are on about lame ducks for??

But the question is ... will they let the public buy an upgrade kit for those extra 8 HP

A "lame duck" is an american expression for something this is not going to be continued. For example if your Prime Minister is voted out of office, the time from the vote until the new one is sworn is, the first is a "lame duck"

Same for mini. The current generation is a lame duck because after a few months, the wont be made anymore

get it?

I bring the lame duck issue up because it would seem to be that why would JCW waste their time on putting out more upgrades for a model thats going to be discontinued when they should be working on the kits for the turbos?

[Carlos.]

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

But the question is ... will they let the public buy an upgrade kit for those extra 8 HP

A "lame duck" is an american expression for something this is not going to be continued. For example if your Prime Minister is voted out of office, the time from the vote until the new one is sworn is, the first is a "lame duck"

Same for mini. The current generation is a lame duck because after a few months, the wont be made anymore

get it?

I bring the lame duck issue up because it would seem to be that why would JCW waste their time on putting out more upgrades for a model thats going to be discontinued when they should be working on the kits for the turbos?

]
First off, the Prime Minister is what we Brits call a "dead duck"......

Second, who cares? the first gen BMW MINI is on its way out. sad fact, great car, sure. But theres better to come... JC garages aint stoopid, thay have access to all the info BM have...........given the heritage, do you REALLY think
they'd be allowed to offer a bag of crap? it'd be like like Land Rover offering a slow Overfinch...

I'm sure work on the Prince block is done, dusted, and ready for launch about 18 months after the launch if the new mini

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[ChiliCooperS]

Hey chows4us what's goin on? Yea from what I've heard, especially through my dealer is it will be dead, as in the most you'll get is the new GP 218bhp, if, and that is a big "if" my dealer and Gabe says, that is offered on non-GP cars. Thats why I've chosen to go the Aftermarket route that we were talking about on NAM.

Mike

[MOTOR'N]

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

So, is the JCW Tuning Kit 210 BHP the end of the line?

Will they upgrade it to some other level or is this it since the gen one cars are lame ducks?

In other words, does anyone know if JCW will produce up grade, like they did from 200 to 210, say from 210 - 225 or can we forget about JCW until the Turbos appear?

Chows, you are everywhere I can't believe you haven't seen the 225 kits yet
http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...0Tuning%20Kits

[Rakey]

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

But the question is ... will they let the public buy an upgrade kit for those extra 8 HP

Until it is fully known what gives the extra BHP or what the exact BHP will be on the GP then its hard to know if it will be transferable to the current JCW 210 car.

But as you can buy all the current JCW bits seperatly it should be a possibilty to buy the new upgrade

Still don't think Lame Duck is a good expression for the MINI or the JCW

[lhoboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

Until it is fully known what gives the extra BHP or what the exact BHP will be on the GP then its hard to know if it will be transferable to the current JCW 210 car.

But as you can buy all the current JCW bits seperatly it should be a possibilty to buy the new upgrade

Still don't think Lame Duck is a good expression for the MINI or the JCW

The JCW site listed above actually lists 3 versions of the 225HP kit, one for the standard S, one for the 200HP JCW and one for the 210HP version. The kit for the 210HP includes a new manifold, a cat pipe and an upsized charger. Currently says its "out of stock". Place your order now if you want it sometime next summer.

[62Lincoln]

Exactly what is different about the s/c in this upgrade? Have they gone to a smaller pulley?

[JDinho]

Reading the responses here, and checking out the John Cooper website, i believe that any future MCS/Works upgrades will be of the John Cooper Motorsport variety not John Cooper Works.

Taken from their website:

"John Cooper Motorsport only supply Motorsport parts direct to MINI Markets around the world who run a MINI Challenge Race series. In addition, for bespoke Motorsport conversions John Cooper Motorsport parts are only available for supply and fitment at John Cooper Works in East Preston, UK. John Cooper Motorsport parts cannot be sold via the internet or mail order" (I'm grinning...obviously not because i live 30mins from the John Cooper Garage!)

Chows4us, you could consider running a challenge series, although that seems a little extreme

Logically I would expect the Works GP +18bhp upgrade to be available, it is a Works item and not John Cooper Motorsport. However i would also cede that it may be restricted to aid the desirability of the limited Works GP model.

I would be interested to hear if anyone knew of any autonomy from BMW on the John Cooper Motorsport branch.

JD

[lhoboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by JDinho

Reading the responses here, and checking out the John Cooper website, i believe that any future MCS/Works upgrades will be of the John Cooper Motorsport variety not John Cooper Works.

Taken from their website:

"John Cooper Motorsport only supply Motorsport parts direct to MINI Markets around the world who run a MINI Challenge Race series. In addition, for bespoke Motorsport conversions John Cooper Motorsport parts are only available for supply and fitment at John Cooper Works in East Preston, UK. John Cooper Motorsport parts cannot be sold via the internet or mail order" (I'm grinning...obviously not because i live 30mins from the John Cooper Garage!)

Chows4us, you could consider running a challenge series, although that seems a little extreme

Logically I would expect the Works GP +18bhp upgrade to be available, it is a Works item and not John Cooper Motorsport. However i would also cede that it may be restricted to aid the desirability of the limited Works GP model.

I would be interested to hear if anyone knew of any autonomy from BMW on the John Cooper Motorsport branch.

JD

JD,

I was concerned that JC Motorsports would not be willing to ship the upgrade kit. If a GP+18 kit is available at U.S. dealers, we will be able to buy from the dealer. Fair trade laws in the U.S. prohibit the discriminatory sale of goods. The dealer can refuse to install, but can't refuse to sell the parts based on vehicle appropriateness.

[MOTOR'N]

"In addition, for bespoke Motorsport conversions John Cooper Motorsport parts are only available for supply and fitment at John Cooper Works in East Preston, UK. John Cooper Motorsport parts cannot be sold via the internet or mail order"
Yeah sure and where there is a will, there is a way
The difference between the 210 and the 225:
"Upgrade your JCW 210bhp Cooper S to the John Cooper Motorsport 225bhp HPD kit. Includes JCM Supercharger, Manifold and CAT Pipe."
nothing difficult there

[Brynster]

Quote: Originally Posted by JDinho

Reading the responses here, and checking out the John Cooper website, i believe that any future MCS/Works upgrades will be of the John Cooper Motorsport variety not John Cooper Works.

Taken from their website:

"John Cooper Motorsport only supply Motorsport parts direct to MINI Markets around the world who run a MINI Challenge Race series. In addition, for bespoke Motorsport conversions John Cooper Motorsport parts are only available for supply and fitment at John Cooper Works in East Preston, UK. John Cooper Motorsport parts cannot be sold via the internet or mail order" (I'm grinning...obviously not because i live 30mins from the John Cooper Garage!)

Chows4us, you could consider running a challenge series, although that seems a little extreme

Logically I would expect the Works GP +18bhp upgrade to be available, it is a Works item and not John Cooper Motorsport. However i would also cede that it may be restricted to aid the desirability of the limited Works GP model.

I would be interested to hear if anyone knew of any autonomy from BMW on the John Cooper Motorsport branch.

JD

A bit of bubble-bursting but if you are referring to the difference between a 'standard' JCW and the GP model spec, then the hike is only 8bhp not 18.

[twig]

First, its 8 HP not 18 for GP

Second, the motorsport stuff requires that your country run a true challenge series. US does not (No ,not even the Phil wicks stuff is a real MINI challenge series)

[twig]

Quote: Originally Posted by ChiliCooperS

Hey chows4us what's goin on? Y ... Thats why I've chosen to go the Aftermarket route that we were talking about on NAM.

Chili, you need to talk to Kumho, el diablito, and you will quickly forget about Randys bits. See the 300 Bhp thread