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Dec 16th, 2005, 03:53 PM
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| Its not mine! Its a JCW210 September 2004. It's been on a rolling road day and was turning out 215 - 218 at the flywheel, running on Optimax, so I really don't give a fig about what size the pulley is and I've got a full warranty and TLC, which I wouldn't have had, if I had gone to Roland. I do fail to see how his product - good as I am sure it is, could be better in ALL respects. Outright bhp helps, but it's not everything. The thing needs to be driveable and reliable, which the JCW product is (and approved by BMW, which must have taken some doing). Anybody can rack up the boost, put a K&N and a vulgar exhaust on. I know, I had an Imprezza, once. Has anybody thought of asking Mike Cooper for his view? I found him a thoroughly decent chap  |
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Dec 16th, 2005, 04:14 PM
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| Not sure you've actually read the entire thread Simon.... this is not a mine better than yours, just some comments that we found when upgrading my OFFICAL WORKS car. The modifications are all about making the car better in all respects, there is no vulgar exhaust (infact it is still the JCW) no K&N (JCW CAI)... we have focused on the items that do not effect reliability but ease the airflow through the engine. A more efficent intercooler (taking the JCW work a step further) and better exhaust manifold (just so happens JCW do one of these themselves... but not in the kit price), Cam (oh JCW do one of those as well!) bigger throttle body (easy the air through). Having owned 4 JCW cars this is a more flexible engine now without any of the breathless high revs issues the JCW car does have. Roland is a decent chap, will warrant the work he does and offer something for people who the official offerings don't go far enough (the JCW kit was developed by BMW not John Cooper anyway, that is fact not rumor btw). Each to his own, but for ME this setup is better in all respects than the JCW setup I had before. It has taken the strengths of the offical converstion and added the final bit they couldn't do because of the costs involved. |
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Dec 16th, 2005, 04:50 PM
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| Hi Guys, in effect we have built on added to the JCW210 kit, as Kurt says the injectors , exhaust, airbox , head & s'plugs are still the JCW kit. Normally when we upgrade JCW kit we would leave the JCW SC pulley on and add the GTT overdrive crank pulley thus giving the equivalent of a -17.5% S/C pulley. In this instance we changed the S/C pulley as was only -11%. I would guesstimate this car has 40bhp more than when it came in, loads more torque and a lot smoother too. We will in the new year put together some 'official GTT upgrade kits' for all the JCW guys who want a bit more. I for one am not 'anti JCW kit' and I'm happy to advise anyone on the best upgrade path for their car. OK I am anti the JCW strutbrace but thats another story ! Best Regards Roland  |
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Dec 16th, 2005, 04:51 PM
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| Simon, welcome to MINI2. Roland does indeed have an outstanding reputation, and it is well earned. Before jumping to conclusions on what he can accomplish with a JCW, read this thread: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...ht=jcw+upgrade Good luck with your car, and remember there are several members with good experiences they can share with you if you are so inclined. |
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Dec 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
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| To be fair, I thiink Simon's second reply explains his first. Welcome to Mini2 Simon. If your in the area any time, and you want to see how much better the JCW could be, please drop me a line and I'll be glad to show you. Mike Cooper has indeed sat in my car, and lamented the restrictions that global homologation imposed on the Works offerrings. Without doubt the JCW car is probably the most refind at approx 210bhp levels, but theres plenty of room for improvement. Why not come along to Bedford Autodrome on the 14th of Jan (a saturday)? You can see for your self there....  |
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Dec 17th, 2005, 09:49 AM
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| Very interested to see what you can offer in terms of JCW upgrade kits next year! Probably feb/march as the mrs is getting an S soon and is after the modest 190 upgrade  Oh and the JCW brace, not to do with the bolts cracking is it? Like Damos?   |
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Dec 17th, 2005, 10:06 AM
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| Hi Andeh, if you can go straight for the GTT210. Loads more power & torque than the 're-map only' conversions. Mind you we do include the bypass valve tweek even in the GTT190 ,probably worth 5bhp alone. Regards Roland GTT |
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Dec 17th, 2005, 10:16 AM
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| Tempting I mean to be honest the 190 is almost do-able myself, spark plugs and a remap. I think 210 is more worth while for the trip from Manchester. I'm probably after something similar to tony. I'm not really looking to spend much over £1000-1500 at most so we shall see. The works is good but it just needs to pull a little stronger a lower revs. |
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Dec 19th, 2005, 07:18 AM
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| Oh dear, touched a raw nerve. I am not an engineer, I am a practical sort of car lover. I rely on engineers - Mike Cooper, Roland, doesn't matter who, as long as they do a good job and that means delivering the goods, day in, day out, 100% reliability. Those two gentlemen have a name to protect, a hard won reputation and I guess bear out the addage that "you are known by your deeds". I'm not passing judgement, not saying mine is better than yours, I simply don't care for the blanket dismissal of the JCW product, in some of the thread (which I had read - hence my second post). If I were the owner whose car Roalnd refers, I would have a 3rd party report and I would name and shame the dealer concerned, in this and any similar case and I think this forum, rather than getting anal about 2 or 3 bhp here and there, could and should also serve this purpose. |
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Dec 19th, 2005, 07:56 AM
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| What mph do you hit down the back straight and how long is it? What sort of speeds do you come onto the straight at? Do they record your speed down the back straight?? First M45 Cooper S to run a 12 (12.96@105) On Nitrous 11.16@123 0-100 7.1991  http://www.1320MINI.co.uk |
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Dec 19th, 2005, 09:21 AM
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| Hello mate, For the track day, just book it and we'll see you there - I've a couple of mates going fom work (Boxster and new Impreza) and there should be a couple of Minis going too.... The SCNM is merely a forum group really, we were getting a website together but it never really got done. Do a search on SCNM in the forums for details - Max tends to be 'secretary' type function. Will get a thread together for Bedford shortly.... Regards Tony |
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Dec 19th, 2005, 09:46 AM
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| January Bedford track day thread.... http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...03#post2130503 Whoose coming...? |
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Dec 19th, 2005, 11:39 AM
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| Link in my signature.... Website was built and tested but still trying to get the Domain Names back of dabe otherwise it will have to be something weird instead of http://www.SCNM.co.uk One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club  |
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